(18-03-2021, 02:08 PM)PsychoStanleyStone Wrote: I hope it works out for Marinakis

What I will say is all the managers he has recruited have all had the highest of integrity and devotion and commitment to the job, but if this is so, it raises huge questions about the way they have been treated

(18-03-2021, 02:01 PM)Knocker West Wrote:

(18-03-2021, 12:05 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(18-03-2021, 11:57 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: I don't think it's correct or fair to blame EM when things go wrong and then to say that if/when we get promoted it will just be beacuse of luck. That's not right.

No, taken out of context that does make it sound worse. I think he was meaning we'd need to overachieve one season to get promoted with the current strategy as opposed to gradually improve over a period of time so that when we did go up it was less of an overachievement.

It's not like loads of other teams without parachute payments are getting close though. Only really Brentford that have managed to employ a consistent long term strategy without the help of parachute payments.

Sheffield united went up without them, Burnley the first time, Reading & Barnsley are currently in the play off without them, Brentford this season & last, Derby the year before that, Huddersfield when they went up a few year ago, it's not as rare as the excuses make it sound.

People focus on parachute payments way to much as a convenient excuse, I don't like the system as it stands & would like to see it restructured (anyone calling for the complete end of parachute payments is batshit mental), but it' there for a reason, & yes, the additional revenue helps, but the additional cosst that's there to cover hinders, so it's not all straightforward, which is why we've seen some parachute payment teams bounce back up, some non-parachute payment teams capable of competing, some parachute payment teams struggle & some non-parachute payment teams unable to compete either.

As the saying goes, it's not what you've got, it's how you use it.

We have more & better resources than some of the teams above us, that's because they are getting it right, & we've been getting it wrong, & there are teams below us where the opposite is also true.

We are what we are & we have to find a way of making that work.

(18-03-2021, 02:38 PM)Paplane Wrote: For me it all comes down to sticking with a decent manager. To be fair to EM, he really tried to do that this season but Sabri's record was just so poor there was no alternative really as his position became untenable and the end of last season mortally wounded him.  So it may be just me on here (oh and Sniff) who still has faith in EM that he has learnt quite a few lessons about the Championship and he is actually changing his strategy to one that will be successful.

I called on the club to sign domestic players last summer and that began to happen. I asked for an experienced championship manager and that happened. He's got Gary brazil scouting domestic players and there's good stuff happening away from the football. He now needs to help Hughton mould his squad, which will be as much about re-signing loan players and releasing unwarted players as it is about bringing new faces in. if he sticks with Hughton we'll move forward again. I'm certain of it.

(18-03-2021, 02:38 PM)Paplane Wrote: For me it all comes down to sticking with a decent manager.

Quote:So it may be just me on here (oh and Sniff) who still has faith in EM that he has learnt quite a few lessons about the Championship and he is actually changing his strategy to one that will be successful.

(18-03-2021, 02:53 PM)Knocker West Wrote:

(18-03-2021, 02:38 PM)Paplane Wrote: For me it all comes down to sticking with a decent manager.

In our position it would certainly make things a lot easier, but it is easier said than done, & also requires hiring the right manager in the first place.

I know, because I've heard it first hand, that the biggest regret was the loss of Warburton, I know he's not popular with some, but the club liked him & would have liked to have found a way to make that work, but the position became untenable after his DoF walked out mid argument over CB's & with no DoF it meant change was required.

Karanka was awful & a massive mistake & had to go, if he hadn't walked he'd have had to have been pushed, as it was going to sink the club, we were coming up to a match where we didn't even have 11 round pegs for the game, changes needed to be made & Karanka was midsulk/strike so the situation had to come to a head.

O'Neill, probably the best manager we've had here for a decade didn't work out & his position became untenable, & we did try to stick by Sabri, but I think we can all agree that things had gone south there by the end.

Quote:So it may be just me on here (oh and Sniff) who still has faith in EM that he has learnt quite a few lessons about the Championship and he is actually changing his strategy to one that will be successful.

The proof of that is in the pudding, his pocketbook will certainly have felt the damage, so he will have learned lessons, & is implementing change, but is it the right change, & is it enough?

Only time will answer that, this summer will either be a summer of change, or a little to close to the same old same old & rinse & repeat.

& all that adds to the frustration of the season, because it means we're spending a year, unable to attend matches, watching a S**t team, play S**t football, in a S**t position in the league knowing all we can do is sit & wait to see how many lessons have been learned, what difference the changes will make & where we'll be next year.

(18-03-2021, 03:07 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: Can we stay on track please lads. This is the EM thread. It's not bloody difficult :@

(18-03-2021, 03:07 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: Can we stay on track please lads. This is the EM thread. It's not bloody difficult :@

(19-03-2021, 08:07 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: I think EM was at Arsenal last night so he'll probably be making an appearance at Brentford tomorrow. I would imagine a meeting with Hughton too.