(19-08-2021, 02:32 PM)TrickySte Wrote: You can't blame any individual. It's 4 years of mistakes made by a variety of people leaving us with a bloated wage bill and a limited budget.

(19-08-2021, 03:40 PM)Marinakis Red Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 03:31 PM)PsychoStooge Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 03:24 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 03:18 PM)Reds73 Wrote: I believe that long run we will benefit, but we are going to suffer this year.

Unfortunately Hughton isn’t the right manager for plan B IMO.

I think we need to make the change now before we waste another 5 games.

If we knew that we really should have pulled the trigger on CH 3 months ago. Someone is to blame for delaying that decision.

Or clever. Brand new CEO comes into a club who already have a well respected manager amongst the majority of the fan base, his first action is to sack that manager, he gets instant backlash because that manager is so well respected, even more so if the season then starts badly under a new guy.

Instead the new CEO waits 4/5 games, if the well respected manager gets off to a good start then fair enough, he can stay the extra season and see out his contract, it's a season of transition anyway... but if he starts the season really badly (coming into it off the back of poor form at the end of last season) then gets sacked, the CEO might find he has the majority of supporters on his side just by waiting those 4/5 games.

Great post mate, I see it that way too and I've never wanted Hughton in charge. He was damned if he did and now damned because he didnt.

(19-08-2021, 03:18 PM)Reds73 Wrote: Neither Dane Murphy or Chris Hughton are to blame for the current debacle.

As Nick Randall said in his recent BBC interview, we are onto plan B as plan A didn’t work.

I guess plan A was to get a proven manager (Karanka) let him spend a lot of ££ and get would get us up in 2 yrs.

Buying Carv for 13m was a grave error and one could argue wreckless at best, and that amortised cost is still heavily trying us down. Also buying players who have got promoted and hoping they can replicate that, whilst giving them big contracts was never sustainable.

So we are now in a position where we are re-setting.

Get rid of the belly fat in the squad, reduce the age, increase the hunger, and have a reduced wage bill.

This was never going to be seamless, and will prob be another 12 months with Grabban, Taylor, Arter, Jenko and Bong off the wage bill.

I believe that long run we will benefit, but we are going to suffer this year.

(19-08-2021, 03:52 PM)Alf Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 03:18 PM)Reds73 Wrote: Neither Dane Murphy or Chris Hughton are to blame for the current debacle.

As Nick Randall said in his recent BBC interview, we are onto plan B as plan A didn’t work.

I guess plan A was to get a proven manager (Karanka) let him spend a lot of ££ and get would get us up in 2 yrs.

Buying Carv for 13m was a grave error and one could argue wreckless at best, and that amortised cost is still heavily trying us down. Also buying players who have got promoted and hoping they can replicate that, whilst giving them big contracts was never sustainable.

So we are now in a position where we are re-setting.

Get rid of the belly fat in the squad, reduce the age, increase the hunger, and have a reduced wage bill.

This was never going to be seamless, and will prob be another 12 months with Grabban, Taylor, Arter, Jenko and Bong off the wage bill.

I believe that long run we will benefit, but we are going to suffer this year.

Totally agree with all this. 

I've also no issue with Dane or the club not dismissing Hughton yet. It was worth trying to see if they fit together. 

And Dane's signed 3 players so far, 1 of whom is already a frontrunner for POTS and looks a class above the other players. Tutu looked good but got injured so jury's out. And Horvath is very highly spoken of by US fans, some actually amazed he's gone to a Champ club and not one in a higher league. With Samba continuing to make blunders, I actually think that Dane's been very clever there addressing an issue which most wouldn't say we had, but which in recent games we clearly have. So Dane certainly doesn't get much criticism for the transfer business done so far from me. 

It's early days, but I think there's potential for a bright future there if we start making the right decisions.

(19-08-2021, 04:44 PM)Alf Wrote: No I don't think it is Wassy, but I think pre-season and the actual working relationship between Dane & Hoots is more an indicator of whether it'll work or not.

Only the chaps involved themselves can really say there.

(19-08-2021, 03:31 PM)PsychoStooge Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 03:24 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 03:18 PM)Reds73 Wrote: I believe that long run we will benefit, but we are going to suffer this year.

Unfortunately Hughton isn’t the right manager for plan B IMO.

I think we need to make the change now before we waste another 5 games.

If we knew that we really should have pulled the trigger on CH 3 months ago. Someone is to blame for delaying that decision.

Or clever. Brand new CEO comes into a club who already have a well respected manager amongst the majority of the fan base, his first action is to sack that manager, he gets instant backlash because that manager is so well respected, even more so if the season then starts badly under a new guy.

Instead the new CEO waits 4/5 games, if the well respected manager gets off to a good start then fair enough, he can stay the extra season and see out his contract, it's a season of transition anyway... but if he starts the season really badly (coming into it off the back of poor form at the end of last season) then gets sacked, the CEO might find he has the majority of supporters on his side just by waiting those 4/5 games.

(19-08-2021, 04:53 PM)SSM Wrote: Off the field, i'm content with what we've done.  I hope to see 2/3 more, but I think there's promise in what we're looking to do.

I don't want Hughton to be picking players he wants, if you look into Murphy, what his principles are and what he wants, we shouldn't be wanting Hughton to pick the players.

We want to end the nonsense that has been the previous 5/6 transfer windows, build for today and tomorrow.  Have continuity in approach to who we sign and the way we want to play.

Hughton is definitely the loser in that, in that it's not being built to his strengths, but I totally support that approach.  Else we end up with a new man whoever who wants his own men again and we keep making the same mistakes.

Hughton's job now is to make this team greater than the sum of it's parts, be adaptable to what he has and get the most out of them.  He's failing to do that, that bit is on him.

I would have hoped we'd have got the new #3 and #6 by now, because we desperately need them.  But I prefer us to be patient than go out and sign more Bong, Arter, Jenkinson types who saddle us with big contracts for numerous years and contribute nothing.

I truly think we'd backing the right horse in Murphy.  But he can't change years worth of poor business in a couple of months.

(19-08-2021, 05:02 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(19-08-2021, 04:53 PM)SSM Wrote: Off the field, i'm content with what we've done.  I hope to see 2/3 more, but I think there's promise in what we're looking to do.

I don't want Hughton to be picking players he wants, if you look into Murphy, what his principles are and what he wants, we shouldn't be wanting Hughton to pick the players.

We want to end the nonsense that has been the previous 5/6 transfer windows, build for today and tomorrow.  Have continuity in approach to who we sign and the way we want to play.

Hughton is definitely the loser in that, in that it's not being built to his strengths, but I totally support that approach.  Else we end up with a new man whoever who wants his own men again and we keep making the same mistakes.

Hughton's job now is to make this team greater than the sum of it's parts, be adaptable to what he has and get the most out of them.  He's failing to do that, that bit is on him.

I would have hoped we'd have got the new #3 and #6 by now, because we desperately need them.  But I prefer us to be patient than go out and sign more Bong, Arter, Jenkinson types who saddle us with big contracts for numerous years and contribute nothing.

I truly think we'd backing the right horse in Murphy.  But he can't change years worth of poor business in a couple of months.

"Hughton's job now is to make this team greater than the sum of it's parts, be adaptable to what he has and get the most out of them.  He's failing to do that, that bit is on him."

So basically you're saying, you've got a S**t team but you've got to somehow make them competitive and if not you get sacked. Seems fair