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RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - wassy04 - 16-08-2021
(16-08-2021, 08:24 PM)Uwantlee Wrote: It's worth pointing out that both these teams were in the prem at the time these opinions were gathered.
However, I believe the championship is more like the prem now than it was 4 or 5 years ago. Maybe not the same quality but similar set ups and styles of football.
For this reason I believe CH has resorted to avoid losing rather than go for the win.
We really have 2 options. See what he does after the window is closed when/if he has new signings. Or twist now whilst there is a chance to save the season.
I would like to stick and see what happens but the longer this form goes on the harder that is.
Ha you've changed your tune since Saturday!
I really do think the massive mitigating circumstances are being largely ignored.
Missed two weeks of pre season
No LB
No Worrall or his backup Soh
No Garner or replacement
No striker
Two of the four goals conceded were keeper errors and one was a deflection.
Do these things not count at all?
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - SSM - 16-08-2021
(16-08-2021, 08:30 PM)wassy04 Wrote:(16-08-2021, 08:24 PM)Uwantlee Wrote: It's worth pointing out that both these teams were in the prem at the time these opinions were gathered.
However, I believe the championship is more like the prem now than it was 4 or 5 years ago. Maybe not the same quality but similar set ups and styles of football.
For this reason I believe CH has resorted to avoid losing rather than go for the win.
We really have 2 options. See what he does after the window is closed when/if he has new signings. Or twist now whilst there is a chance to save the season.
I would like to stick and see what happens but the longer this form goes on the harder that is.
Ha you've changed your tune since Saturday!
I really do think the massive mitigating circumstances are being largely ignored.
Missed two weeks of pre season
No LB
No Worrall or his backup Soh
No Garner or replacement
No striker
Two of the four goals conceded were keeper errors and one was a deflection.
Do these things not count at all?
I am a believer of the process. If the process is right, then the result will take care of itself.
I think our process is wrong. If you invite the opposition, they will invariably score. If you don't looked to score a 2nd at 1-0, then you obviously open yourself up to drawing 1-1.
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - Uwantlee - 16-08-2021
(16-08-2021, 08:30 PM)wassy04 Wrote:(16-08-2021, 08:24 PM)Uwantlee Wrote: It's worth pointing out that both these teams were in the prem at the time these opinions were gathered.
However, I believe the championship is more like the prem now than it was 4 or 5 years ago. Maybe not the same quality but similar set ups and styles of football.
For this reason I believe CH has resorted to avoid losing rather than go for the win.
We really have 2 options. See what he does after the window is closed when/if he has new signings. Or twist now whilst there is a chance to save the season.
I would like to stick and see what happens but the longer this form goes on the harder that is.
Ha you've changed your tune since Saturday!
I really do think the massive mitigating circumstances are being largely ignored.
Missed two weeks of pre season
No LB
No Worrall or his backup Soh
No Garner or replacement
No striker
Two of the four goals conceded were keeper errors and one was a deflection.
Do these things not count at all?
Not changed tune no.
I am not happy with CH. don’t like his style of football or tactics or repetitive excuses and cut and paste interviews.
I do want stability though. I am prepared to see what happens in the transfer window. If we don’t sign anyone now then I am certain he has to go.
If we sign players and he continues with this negative approach then he has to go.
I genuinely hope he signs players and adopts a more attacking approach.
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - wassy04 - 16-08-2021
(16-08-2021, 08:34 PM)SSM Wrote:(16-08-2021, 08:30 PM)wassy04 Wrote:(16-08-2021, 08:24 PM)Uwantlee Wrote: It's worth pointing out that both these teams were in the prem at the time these opinions were gathered.
However, I believe the championship is more like the prem now than it was 4 or 5 years ago. Maybe not the same quality but similar set ups and styles of football.
For this reason I believe CH has resorted to avoid losing rather than go for the win.
We really have 2 options. See what he does after the window is closed when/if he has new signings. Or twist now whilst there is a chance to save the season.
I would like to stick and see what happens but the longer this form goes on the harder that is.
Ha you've changed your tune since Saturday!
I really do think the massive mitigating circumstances are being largely ignored.
Missed two weeks of pre season
No LB
No Worrall or his backup Soh
No Garner or replacement
No striker
Two of the four goals conceded were keeper errors and one was a deflection.
Do these things not count at all?
I am a believer of the process. If the process is right, then the result will take care of itself.
I think our process is wrong. If you invite the opposition, they will invariably score. If you don't looked to score a 2nd at 1-0, then you obviously open yourself up to drawing 1-1.
I get your point but I feel like you're ignoring the above still. It doesn't matter what process you use if you don't have the players available or fit enough to execute it
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - GaribaldiRED - 16-08-2021
(16-08-2021, 08:34 PM)SSM Wrote:(16-08-2021, 08:30 PM)wassy04 Wrote:(16-08-2021, 08:24 PM)Uwantlee Wrote: It's worth pointing out that both these teams were in the prem at the time these opinions were gathered.
However, I believe the championship is more like the prem now than it was 4 or 5 years ago. Maybe not the same quality but similar set ups and styles of football.
For this reason I believe CH has resorted to avoid losing rather than go for the win.
We really have 2 options. See what he does after the window is closed when/if he has new signings. Or twist now whilst there is a chance to save the season.
I would like to stick and see what happens but the longer this form goes on the harder that is.
Ha you've changed your tune since Saturday!
I really do think the massive mitigating circumstances are being largely ignored.
Missed two weeks of pre season
No LB
No Worrall or his backup Soh
No Garner or replacement
No striker
Two of the four goals conceded were keeper errors and one was a deflection.
Do these things not count at all?
I am a believer of the process. If the process is right, then the result will take care of itself.
I think our process is wrong. If you invite the opposition, they will invariably score. If you don't looked to score a 2nd at 1-0, then you obviously open yourself up to drawing 1-1.
How do you then explain the continued success of Atletico Madrid under Diego Simeone?
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - SSM - 16-08-2021
(16-08-2021, 09:19 PM)GaribaldiRED Wrote:(16-08-2021, 08:34 PM)SSM Wrote:(16-08-2021, 08:30 PM)wassy04 Wrote:(16-08-2021, 08:24 PM)Uwantlee Wrote: It's worth pointing out that both these teams were in the prem at the time these opinions were gathered.
However, I believe the championship is more like the prem now than it was 4 or 5 years ago. Maybe not the same quality but similar set ups and styles of football.
For this reason I believe CH has resorted to avoid losing rather than go for the win.
We really have 2 options. See what he does after the window is closed when/if he has new signings. Or twist now whilst there is a chance to save the season.
I would like to stick and see what happens but the longer this form goes on the harder that is.
Ha you've changed your tune since Saturday!
I really do think the massive mitigating circumstances are being largely ignored.
Missed two weeks of pre season
No LB
No Worrall or his backup Soh
No Garner or replacement
No striker
Two of the four goals conceded were keeper errors and one was a deflection.
Do these things not count at all?
I am a believer of the process. If the process is right, then the result will take care of itself.
I think our process is wrong. If you invite the opposition, they will invariably score. If you don't looked to score a 2nd at 1-0, then you obviously open yourself up to drawing 1-1.
How do you then explain the continued success of Atletico Madrid under Diego Simeone?
Do you think that would work in England?
It did over a decade or so ago for Jose. But no more.
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - GaribaldiRED - 17-08-2021
(16-08-2021, 09:32 PM)SSM Wrote:(16-08-2021, 09:19 PM)GaribaldiRED Wrote:(16-08-2021, 08:34 PM)SSM Wrote:(16-08-2021, 08:30 PM)wassy04 Wrote:(16-08-2021, 08:24 PM)Uwantlee Wrote: It's worth pointing out that both these teams were in the prem at the time these opinions were gathered.
However, I believe the championship is more like the prem now than it was 4 or 5 years ago. Maybe not the same quality but similar set ups and styles of football.
For this reason I believe CH has resorted to avoid losing rather than go for the win.
We really have 2 options. See what he does after the window is closed when/if he has new signings. Or twist now whilst there is a chance to save the season.
I would like to stick and see what happens but the longer this form goes on the harder that is.
Ha you've changed your tune since Saturday!
I really do think the massive mitigating circumstances are being largely ignored.
Missed two weeks of pre season
No LB
No Worrall or his backup Soh
No Garner or replacement
No striker
Two of the four goals conceded were keeper errors and one was a deflection.
Do these things not count at all?
I am a believer of the process. If the process is right, then the result will take care of itself.
I think our process is wrong. If you invite the opposition, they will invariably score. If you don't looked to score a 2nd at 1-0, then you obviously open yourself up to drawing 1-1.
How do you then explain the continued success of Atletico Madrid under Diego Simeone?
Do you think that would work in England?
It did over a decade or so ago for Jose. But no more.
Of course it would and please don't compare Diego with Jose. Very different coaches.
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - Mcforest - 17-08-2021
Atletico Madrid under Diego Simeone are a very forward thinking team. They are also just strong and then people who don't see them week in and week out say they must be a defensive team. But they push hard and fast in the spanish league and the spanish league is prob the weakest it has been for a long time right now. In Europe they play for the counter attack but again the press quick to make a mistake and then go fast attack.
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - GaribaldiRED - 17-08-2021
Atletico Madrid are a very impressive team. They are very comfortable in letting the opposition have the ball and attack them. They have a very solid defensive set up and work so, so hard in pressing the opposition and forcing errors that they can capitalize on with swift counter attacks. Diego Simeone has been criticized from time to time for being to defensive minded as his playing style is very much centered around defensive structure and solidity.
I have included a link to a very interesting article which was published in The Guardian after Atletico Madrid dumped Liverpool out of Champions League. It's highly relevant for the ongoing discussions around CH and his approach to the game.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/12/criticism-of-diego-simeones-atletico-methods-rooted-in-football-snobbery
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 17-08-2021
Gentlemen may I ask what has all this got to do with our current manager Chris Hughton?
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - GaribaldiRED - 17-08-2021
Sorry Sniff I thought that was obvious.
Some people are arguing that it is not possible for CH to bring success to Forest because his approach to the game is too defensive. I believe that is wrong and I have provided one example of a team that has perfected the defensive approach with great success.
The article asks a few relevant questions. What is entertaining football and is it easier to master the art of defending compared to the art of attacking?
RE: Your Thoughts On The Current Nottingham Forest Manager - Mcforest - 17-08-2021
Well, we are discussing that CH has a very pragmatic style and even though it does not look pretty right now in theory it does work and the cases of showing how it can work if you get the balance between defence and attack correct is prob Atletico Madrid. However to get that system to work it takes a very long time and a lot of trial and error especially with players and also that it offers limited high success rates but can offer consistency in performances as well as longevity of a team. Over a high attack system which can at the start have big highs and even bigger lows. However the high attack when done and implemented correctly can result in fast results and success but it is more evolving and the system has to go under continues change so does not lead to team longevity.
So we are therefore thinking that maybe CH is more concerned with the teams longer term health over a fast paced success story. Is he a safe pair of hands for long-term success so we should stick or is he just stuck in his way that he had success with.