(05-09-2022, 09:51 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(05-09-2022, 09:41 AM)zicorice Wrote: Maybe it's just lots of strangers getting used to playing together?

I know football is a results business, but Cooper should have enough credit in the bank to see us through the season barring if we "Do a D€rby".

Looking back at comments after promotion it was all "we need to back Cooper even if we have a bad run etc..."  we need to stick with him as it won't be easy. And guess what? Its not easy and we're on a bad run.

After 23 years of mostly cr@p he gave us the best season in my opinion since Frank Clark was manager and quite possibly the best 48 hours I've had in over 40 years of following Forest - certainly in top 3 anyway. Of course getting tanked by Man City was horrible and being outplayed by a very settled Bournemouth side -especially after somehow getting 2 up- felt very very rough.

Three losses on bounce is not entirely surprising, despite the massive disrespect shown to Bournemouth by many supporters in build up to Saturday. 

Steve Cooper has not gone from being the best thing since Cloughie according to many peoples comments (for me it is Frank) to bring "out of his depth" or whatever. Some of the players may be floundering at moment, but once things settle hopefully we will be competitive.

I trust Cooper.

It was very predictable wasn't it, particularly with the tricky fixtures to start. The usual lines about EM not being happy, he'll want to change soon etc. 

EM has been very patient with managers in the last few years, he gave CH and Sabri a lot longer than the majority would've wanted. He's got a young and clearly talented manager, 6 games (!) into his first prem season. I'm pretty sure he'll be happy to trust the manager and give him time to work things out. If he was to get annoyed at Cooper not playing the new guys, that would sound dangerously like he's trying to influence team selection to me. However, I don't think that is the case. I'm sure he'd want an explanation as to why the likes of Freuler and Taiwo aren't getting lots of minutes but otherwise I expect him to sit back and let Cooper manage, despite what some of the fans seem to want. Give the manager/owners some credit please, they orchestrated last season superbly (in which we were bottom after 8 games!), they have earned time.

Please stop this, you don't get time in football, in the prem etc. You get 38 games just like every other team.

(05-09-2022, 10:22 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote:

(05-09-2022, 09:51 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(05-09-2022, 09:41 AM)zicorice Wrote: Maybe it's just lots of strangers getting used to playing together?

I know football is a results business, but Cooper should have enough credit in the bank to see us through the season barring if we "Do a D€rby".

Looking back at comments after promotion it was all "we need to back Cooper even if we have a bad run etc..."  we need to stick with him as it won't be easy. And guess what? Its not easy and we're on a bad run.

After 23 years of mostly cr@p he gave us the best season in my opinion since Frank Clark was manager and quite possibly the best 48 hours I've had in over 40 years of following Forest - certainly in top 3 anyway. Of course getting tanked by Man City was horrible and being outplayed by a very settled Bournemouth side -especially after somehow getting 2 up- felt very very rough.

Three losses on bounce is not entirely surprising, despite the massive disrespect shown to Bournemouth by many supporters in build up to Saturday. 

Steve Cooper has not gone from being the best thing since Cloughie according to many peoples comments (for me it is Frank) to bring "out of his depth" or whatever. Some of the players may be floundering at moment, but once things settle hopefully we will be competitive.

I trust Cooper.

It was very predictable wasn't it, particularly with the tricky fixtures to start. The usual lines about EM not being happy, he'll want to change soon etc. 

EM has been very patient with managers in the last few years, he gave CH and Sabri a lot longer than the majority would've wanted. He's got a young and clearly talented manager, 6 games (!) into his first prem season. I'm pretty sure he'll be happy to trust the manager and give him time to work things out. If he was to get annoyed at Cooper not playing the new guys, that would sound dangerously like he's trying to influence team selection to me. However, I don't think that is the case. I'm sure he'd want an explanation as to why the likes of Freuler and Taiwo aren't getting lots of minutes but otherwise I expect him to sit back and let Cooper manage, despite what some of the fans seem to want. Give the manager/owners some credit please, they orchestrated last season superbly (in which we were bottom after 8 games!), they have earned time.

Please stop this, you don't get time in football, in the prem etc. You get 38 games just like every other team.

The thing is Wassy there is a lot more at stake now. Before we were in the Championship and had been for more than 20 years, there wasn't too much to lose by giving a manager more time. Now we are in the PL and we have to stay in the PL at all costs, It's a whole different ball game now I'm afraid, probably life or death to our owners.

By the way I am in no way saying that I want the manager replaced before somebody starts but what I have written above is in my view the reality of the situation.

(05-09-2022, 10:37 AM)Marinakis Red Wrote: Cooper has got to get rid of the sentiment shown to players that right now are not up to the level, take them out of the firing line and give others in the squad an opportunity to shine. We have the depth and quality. 

I was so surprised on Saturday with the team that started and even more surprised by the substitutions that followed. You will not get away with that for very long. 

We needed to gain control of the game and we bring colback on when we have the player of Fruelers quality sat on the bench that will get holds the ball and keep it. Very baffling to finish a game with Colback and Yates in midfield with the options we had available.

(05-09-2022, 10:37 AM)Marinakis Red Wrote: Cooper has got to get rid of the sentiment shown to players that right now are not up to the level, take them out of the firing line and give others in the squad an opportunity to shine. We have the depth and quality. 

I was so surprised on Saturday with the team that started and even more surprised by the substitutions that followed. You will not get away with that for very long. 

We needed to gain control of the game and we bring colback on when we have the player of Fruelers quality sat on the bench that will get hold of the ball and keep it. Very baffling to finish a game with Colback and Yates in midfield with the options we had available.

(05-09-2022, 10:37 AM)Marinakis Red Wrote: Cooper has got to get rid of the sentiment shown to players that right now are not up to the level, take them out of the firing line and give others in the squad an opportunity to shine. We have the depth and quality. 

I was so surprised on Saturday with the team that started and even more surprised by the substitutions that followed. You will not get away with that for very long. 

We needed to gain control of the game and we bring colback on when we have the player of Fruelers quality sat on the bench that will get hold of the ball and keep it. Very baffling to finish a game with Colback and Yates in midfield with the options we had available.

(05-09-2022, 11:07 AM)Sausage Roll Wrote:

(05-09-2022, 10:37 AM)Marinakis Red Wrote: Cooper has got to get rid of the sentiment shown to players that right now are not up to the level, take them out of the firing line and give others in the squad an opportunity to shine. We have the depth and quality. 

I was so surprised on Saturday with the team that started and even more surprised by the substitutions that followed. You will not get away with that for very long. 

We needed to gain control of the game and we bring colback on when we have the player of Fruelers quality sat on the bench that will get hold of the ball and keep it. Very baffling to finish a game with Colback and Yates in midfield with the options we had available.

I could understand the midfield pairing that started as they're probably our most physical midfield two and Lerma and Billing (particularly Billing - he's a giant!) are big presences. I just don't like playing with no out-and-out forward so I'd have left out one of Johnson, MGW or Lingard for Taiwo. Bringing on Colback when he did made little sense though.

(05-09-2022, 11:08 AM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote:

(05-09-2022, 10:37 AM)Marinakis Red Wrote: Cooper has got to get rid of the sentiment shown to players that right now are not up to the level, take them out of the firing line and give others in the squad an opportunity to shine. We have the depth and quality. 

I was so surprised on Saturday with the team that started and even more surprised by the substitutions that followed. You will not get away with that for very long. 

We needed to gain control of the game and we bring colback on when we have the player of Fruelers quality sat on the bench that will get hold of the ball and keep it. Very baffling to finish a game with Colback and Yates in midfield with the options we had available.

Agree with that 100%.

(05-09-2022, 09:53 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(05-09-2022, 09:51 AM)Username Wrote:

(05-09-2022, 09:15 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(05-09-2022, 09:07 AM)JWJW Wrote:

(05-09-2022, 08:29 AM)wassy04 Wrote: Brennan is literally playing the same position that he played the entirety of last season. He's also played in the same role for Wales but you know better than both of them right?

He has also been completely ineffective in that position.....a complete passenger.

Thats what managers do......if someone is not performing in games, you replace them and change things up. 

How many shots on target ?

We are completely useless up front currently.  The commentators on Saturday were saying how useless we are in the final third, no striker, barely any shots on target........playing the ball around the box and then losing it or putting in some useless cross.

Something has to change, or we will lose to Leeds and Fulham and Cooper will be out of a job. 

Its all up to Cooper now, for me. he has to win the next two games, or at least draw them.  Two more losses and I think he will be sacked.

We're playing two strikers, how many shots did MGW? Why is Brennan the scapegoat?

Yes agree he didn't have a great game Saturday (but who else did?!) He was excellent vs Spurs and Everton though. 

How many shots has MGW had playing the same position? At least Brennan is getting into the right areas, I would argue the bigger issue is that MGW is not getting into the right positions to support him as the left striker.

He wasn’t excellent at Everton, far from it.

He was our highest rated outfield player on that Whoscored site. Not saying this is fact but it surely implies he was at least decent?