(30-04-2021, 11:21 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(30-04-2021, 11:06 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Respectfully disagree on this Shawoddy, Someone wrote the other day that Toney would have looked average in our team this season and I agree with that, although he would still have done better than any of our 3.
Think we need quite a big rebuild, ironically bigger than last years that we didnt need!

So we need the rebuild now but not last year? What's changed since then? Aside from Grabban's drop off in performance, we have the same squad but bigger. Implying in fact that we also needed the rebuild last year too?!  :D

(30-04-2021, 04:01 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: The average age of those 8 players mentioned in the above paragraph is 30. You bring in young players who dont work out well thats how it goes bit at least you have tried to look to the future, Ionannou a good example.
To bring in so many older players you should know how they will perform, the experience should be your justification of higher wages and the fact they can not themselves return a profit. For them all to fail is rank poor planning , shows a total lack of recruitment skills and proves there was no vision as how those players would fit info the side. The philosophy was, they played for a decent side they were available so we bought them. Total bxxxxxxs.

(30-04-2021, 04:03 PM)Tricky Wrote:

(30-04-2021, 11:21 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(30-04-2021, 11:06 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Respectfully disagree on this Shawoddy, Someone wrote the other day that Toney would have looked average in our team this season and I agree with that, although he would still have done better than any of our 3.
Think we need quite a big rebuild, ironically bigger than last years that we didnt need!

So we need the rebuild now but not last year? What's changed since then? Aside from Grabban's drop off in performance, we have the same squad but bigger. Implying in fact that we also needed the rebuild last year too?!  :D

Age as well Wassy. All of those players are a year older and some are becoming more prone to injuries. That and the fact that the overhaul last season was made up of poor to average players, by and large and have not improved the side at all. Then there are the loan signings returning to their clubs, along with out of contract players from our own wage bill that will need replacing also.

(30-04-2021, 03:03 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(30-04-2021, 02:41 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:

(30-04-2021, 11:21 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(30-04-2021, 11:06 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Respectfully disagree on this Shawoddy, Someone wrote the other day that Toney would have looked average in our team this season and I agree with that, although he would still have done better than any of our 3.
Think we need quite a big rebuild, ironically bigger than last years that we didnt need!

So we need the rebuild now but not last year? What's changed since then? Aside from Grabban's drop off in performance, we have the same squad but bigger. Implying in fact that we also needed the rebuild last year too?!  :D

This is an ongoing argument between us which probably bores everyone else. In my opinion we needed 4-5 quality additions last summer. We got 1 - McKenna. A few other holes have been plugged with some decent loans, Garner, Krov and arguably Christie.
So we still need the 4 players we didnt get last season on top of which we now have Lolley struggling for fitness, Grabban looking disinterested, Ribeiro and Ameobi out of contract and unfortunately I suspect Worrall on his way. In other words a bigger rebuild.

My argument has never been that we spent well, simply that we did need to bring in a number of players. 4-5 quality plus some squad players to fill out as we really struggled with depth under Sabri. Pretty much the same thing to me, just they bought too many CMs and most of the summer signings have failed badly. (I reckon Christie counts as a success personally so I make it 2)

I think we needed to sign an alternative to Grabban last summer, Lolley was already struggling last season, Ribeiro has been a new one and Ameobi will probably sign a new deal. My point is that we right to attempt a rebuild last year as our squad was average and as that failed, we need to do the same thing again! I think we have the same opinion  :D

(30-04-2021, 04:35 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(30-04-2021, 04:03 PM)Tricky Wrote:

(30-04-2021, 11:21 AM)wassy04 Wrote:

(30-04-2021, 11:06 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Respectfully disagree on this Shawoddy, Someone wrote the other day that Toney would have looked average in our team this season and I agree with that, although he would still have done better than any of our 3.
Think we need quite a big rebuild, ironically bigger than last years that we didnt need!

So we need the rebuild now but not last year? What's changed since then? Aside from Grabban's drop off in performance, we have the same squad but bigger. Implying in fact that we also needed the rebuild last year too?!  :D

Age as well Wassy. All of those players are a year older and some are becoming more prone to injuries. That and the fact that the overhaul last season was made up of poor to average players, by and large and have not improved the side at all. Then there are the loan signings returning to their clubs, along with out of contract players from our own wage bill that will need replacing also.

The loans from Jan were regularly quoted as part of the excess of signings though so its not fair to criticise the need to replace them and also the choice to sign them in the first place!

The rebuild clearly failed badly, the point is it was needed then and it's needed now even more so.

(30-04-2021, 04:32 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(30-04-2021, 04:01 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: The average age of those 8 players mentioned in the above paragraph is 30. You bring in young players who dont work out well thats how it goes bit at least you have tried to look to the future, Ionannou a good example.
To bring in so many older players you should know how they will perform, the experience should be your justification of higher wages and the fact they can not themselves return a profit. For them all to fail is rank poor planning , shows a total lack of recruitment skills and proves there was no vision as how those players would fit info the side. The philosophy was, they played for a decent side they were available so we bought them. Total bxxxxxxs.

Yeah it is difficult to argue with that!

I would say as a slight caveat, you are assuming higher wages based on the same logic as above. I would've thought Fred and Colback at least would be on low wages. Taylor & Arter are earing a lot I imagine though. I do agree it did come across very kamikaze too, hopefully will have more time to plan it out this time.