(15-08-2021, 11:42 AM)TheGreenMan Wrote: I know this post will prove very unpopular with the Hughton sympathisers and I never want my team to loose…..But I’d take a couple of more defeats if it means the end of Hughton. I saw absolutely no positives yesterday or at any time since he took over.

It’s Hughton’s fault we’re in the position we’re in no one else. He trains the players day in day out. He picks the team. He makes the substitution decisions. He decides on the(ultra defensive) tactics. His P45 can’t come soon enough!!

(15-08-2021, 11:11 AM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote:

(15-08-2021, 10:52 AM)SSM Wrote: The first goal went across Samba to the back post.

Both goals were as a result of our full-backs getting beat in behind them, with totally free efforts on goal.

Same happened vs Coventry too for their equaliser.

Samba would like the 2nd goal yesterday back for sure, but maybe you should go stand in a goal with someone powerfully striking the ball with no man in-between and try and save it.  If he stood tall at his near post and didn't go across goal and it went in across him, he'd still be criticised.

Not sure there's much understanding or empathy of how difficult it actually is to be a keeper at the top level, especially when the opposition's 4 goals thus far have all come from less than 10 yards away from the net.

There's been precious little empathy for former legends.

But maybe?  If's Samba's job.  For which he is paid many thousands of pounds.  A week.  No maybe about fans turning up to have a go instead of Samba.  He was well beaten in goal.  Though he shouldn't have for either.  And he was well stuffed from the same position TWICE at Coventry.  Bang average.

You're right about the fullbacks being well beaten.  Utterly skinned 'in behind' and burned by overlapping pace.

SA.

(15-08-2021, 12:37 PM)ac_vodka Wrote: I`m probably in the minority here but for me the harsh reality is we need to strengthen the squad and to quote from Mr Clough "players loose you games not tactics".

Individual mistakes cost us yesterday and for most part we controlled the game but we just not have enough goal threat - again that comes to individuals involved. Its not like we were played off the park.

The market is stagnant and has made it hard to get that depth into the squad and preseason was not kind to us with the CV breakout and losing our true captain to injury and as such I have little expectation until everything is finalised squad wise and just hoped we remained competitive in the interim which I think we are.   

I`ve read a lot of negative comments about Chris H this morning my only feedback from yesterday is that Carvallio perhaps needed more then 10 mins to have an impact on the game but largely he has my support. The new leadership is bedding in and for me we need that stability more then a  change at this time unless we enter into a massive rut but I don`t think we will.

(15-08-2021, 11:42 AM)TheGreenMan Wrote: I know this post will prove very unpopular with the Hughton sympathisers and I never want my team to loose…..But I’d take a couple of more defeats if it means the end of Hughton. I saw absolutely no positives yesterday or at any time since he took over.

It’s Hughton’s fault we’re in the position we’re in no one else. He trains the players day in day out. He picks the team. He makes the substitution decisions. He decides on the(ultra defensive) tactics. His P45 can’t come soon enough!!

(15-08-2021, 11:55 AM)SSM Wrote:

(15-08-2021, 11:11 AM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote:

(15-08-2021, 10:52 AM)SSM Wrote: The first goal went across Samba to the back post.

Both goals were as a result of our full-backs getting beat in behind them, with totally free efforts on goal.

Same happened vs Coventry too for their equaliser.

Samba would like the 2nd goal yesterday back for sure, but maybe you should go stand in a goal with someone powerfully striking the ball with no man in-between and try and save it.  If he stood tall at his near post and didn't go across goal and it went in across him, he'd still be criticised.

Not sure there's much understanding or empathy of how difficult it actually is to be a keeper at the top level, especially when the opposition's 4 goals thus far have all come from less than 10 yards away from the net.

There's been precious little empathy for former legends.

But maybe?  If's Samba's job.  For which he is paid many thousands of pounds.  A week.  No maybe about fans turning up to have a go instead of Samba.  He was well beaten in goal.  Though he shouldn't have for either.  And he was well stuffed from the same position TWICE at Coventry.  Bang average.

You're right about the fullbacks being well beaten.  Utterly skinned 'in behind' and burned by overlapping pace.

SA.

You expected him to save their first goal?!

(15-08-2021, 02:54 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(15-08-2021, 11:42 AM)TheGreenMan Wrote: I know this post will prove very unpopular with the Hughton sympathisers and I never want my team to loose…..But I’d take a couple of more defeats if it means the end of Hughton. I saw absolutely no positives yesterday or at any time since he took over.

It’s Hughton’s fault we’re in the position we’re in no one else. He trains the players day in day out. He picks the team. He makes the substitution decisions. He decides on the(ultra defensive) tactics. His P45 can’t come soon enough!!

Im not a Hughton sympathiser, im a Forest supporter and i dont believe swapping the manager will benefit the club in any way at all at this moment in time. This time last year it was clear the Sabri had run off the rails. We're not at all at that point yet. I said yesterday i can see progress being made from the end of last season already. If we change yet again, the relative position of the side in the league won't change, we'll just have another twelve months of churn and bomb squads and disharmony. Oh, and the owner will be another 20m quid down the path of disontentment that mad mel has reached the end off. We need stability and growth even if that means there's two DCM's on the pitch for 5 minutes longer than you want there to be.

(15-08-2021, 03:01 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote:

(15-08-2021, 11:55 AM)SSM Wrote:

(15-08-2021, 11:11 AM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote:

(15-08-2021, 10:52 AM)SSM Wrote: The first goal went across Samba to the back post.

Both goals were as a result of our full-backs getting beat in behind them, with totally free efforts on goal.

Same happened vs Coventry too for their equaliser.

Samba would like the 2nd goal yesterday back for sure, but maybe you should go stand in a goal with someone powerfully striking the ball with no man in-between and try and save it.  If he stood tall at his near post and didn't go across goal and it went in across him, he'd still be criticised.

Not sure there's much understanding or empathy of how difficult it actually is to be a keeper at the top level, especially when the opposition's 4 goals thus far have all come from less than 10 yards away from the net.

There's been precious little empathy for former legends.

But maybe?  If's Samba's job.  For which he is paid many thousands of pounds.  A week.  No maybe about fans turning up to have a go instead of Samba.  He was well beaten in goal.  Though he shouldn't have for either.  And he was well stuffed from the same position TWICE at Coventry.  Bang average.

You're right about the fullbacks being well beaten.  Utterly skinned 'in behind' and burned by overlapping pace.

SA.

You expected him to save their first goal?!

And the 2nd.  And both at Coventry which were, again...straight at him.  In the same spot.  He's crap at his near post.  To be honest.  He's been pretty crap so far.

Not a top Championship keeper.  Currently a bottom 8 one.  Because that's where his sloppy performances have put Forest.  (Yeah, the fullbacks got burned, both sides but as the last line of defence?  Samba was well beaten at his post.  Mobile as a lamp post.)

Drop to the bench and bring Horvath in.  

SA.

(15-08-2021, 12:41 PM)pennhillred Wrote: I live in Poole & watched the coverage of yesterday's match in Bournemouth with a Cherries fan. So this loss hurts a lot.

Sadly, to me it felt entirely inevitable.

It's been really rough seeing them overtake us. I used to watch them as my local team in division 3 & was genuinely fond of them in the 2000s. Then they turned the tide whilst flagrantly breaking FFP to get promoted (they got a fine...) and becoming masters of the dark arts under Howe (I think think it's ever been talked about enough the way they dived and cheated). I now really dislike them but fully know they are miles ahead of us right now.

I just hope the new structure behind the scenes can turn the tide in our favour.

(15-08-2021, 03:09 PM)SSM Wrote:

(15-08-2021, 03:01 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote:

(15-08-2021, 11:55 AM)SSM Wrote:

(15-08-2021, 11:11 AM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote:

(15-08-2021, 10:52 AM)SSM Wrote: The first goal went across Samba to the back post.

Both goals were as a result of our full-backs getting beat in behind them, with totally free efforts on goal.

Same happened vs Coventry too for their equaliser.

Samba would like the 2nd goal yesterday back for sure, but maybe you should go stand in a goal with someone powerfully striking the ball with no man in-between and try and save it.  If he stood tall at his near post and didn't go across goal and it went in across him, he'd still be criticised.

Not sure there's much understanding or empathy of how difficult it actually is to be a keeper at the top level, especially when the opposition's 4 goals thus far have all come from less than 10 yards away from the net.

There's been precious little empathy for former legends.

But maybe?  If's Samba's job.  For which he is paid many thousands of pounds.  A week.  No maybe about fans turning up to have a go instead of Samba.  He was well beaten in goal.  Though he shouldn't have for either.  And he was well stuffed from the same position TWICE at Coventry.  Bang average.

You're right about the fullbacks being well beaten.  Utterly skinned 'in behind' and burned by overlapping pace.

SA.

You expected him to save their first goal?!

And the 2nd.  And both at Coventry which were, again...straight at him.  In the same spot.  He's crap at his near post.  To be honest.  He's been pretty crap so far.

Not a top Championship keeper.  Currently a bottom 8 one.  Because that's where his sloppy performances have put Forest.  (Yeah, the fullbacks got burned, both sides but as the last line of defence?  Samba was well beaten at his post.  Mobile as a lamp post.)

Drop to the bench and bring Horvath in.  

SA.

Okay.

Would like to find the keeper you'd identify, we'd never concede a single goal with your expectations....

Crazy that you've seen Horvath play one game, where he proceeded to do a standing dive and push one away that was right into his hands, and then show us his glass wrists from a free kick nowhere near the corner of the net and he's now #1.

Madness.

(15-08-2021, 03:13 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote:

(15-08-2021, 03:09 PM)SSM Wrote:

(15-08-2021, 03:01 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote:

(15-08-2021, 11:55 AM)SSM Wrote:

(15-08-2021, 11:11 AM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote: There's been precious little empathy for former legends.

But maybe?  If's Samba's job.  For which he is paid many thousands of pounds.  A week.  No maybe about fans turning up to have a go instead of Samba.  He was well beaten in goal.  Though he shouldn't have for either.  And he was well stuffed from the same position TWICE at Coventry.  Bang average.

You're right about the fullbacks being well beaten.  Utterly skinned 'in behind' and burned by overlapping pace.

SA.

You expected him to save their first goal?!

And the 2nd.  And both at Coventry which were, again...straight at him.  In the same spot.  He's crap at his near post.  To be honest.  He's been pretty crap so far.

Not a top Championship keeper.  Currently a bottom 8 one.  Because that's where his sloppy performances have put Forest.  (Yeah, the fullbacks got burned, both sides but as the last line of defence?  Samba was well beaten at his post.  Mobile as a lamp post.)

Drop to the bench and bring Horvath in.  

SA.

Okay.

Would like to find the keeper you'd identify, we'd never concede a single goal with your expectations....

Crazy that you've seen Horvath play one game, where he proceeded to do a standing dive and push one away that was right into his hands, and then show us his glass wrists from a free kick nowhere near the corner of the net and he's now #1.

Madness.

Horvath was more vocal.  More progressive.  More aggressive.  Far less passive.

ie.  We already have him.

The only madness is to keep playing this pretend keeper called Samba.  No way a top 8 keeper.  The facts show he's a nil point keeper.  He's cost us 6 points.

SA.