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RE: The Infrastructure Projects - ToryTom - 28-05-2024
(28-05-2024, 09:47 PM)Widdow Wrote:(28-05-2024, 09:29 PM)ToryTom Wrote: The truth is if Forest want to progress and establish themselves as stalwarts in the premier league we will need to produce a lot more income. It looks like football spending is going to be based upon 80% of income. We are light years behind the top dozen teams. Our local rivals have potential for making more income than we do. The only way we will be able to compete at the top level is to have a much bigger stadium which is designed for multi use and monopolise most of the hospitality income generated from match day and other events. The City Ground site is simply not big enough. Demand for tickets grows every season we remain in the premier league. The city ground is iconic but it is no longer fit for purpose for where the club wants to go. If a new stadium is well designed there is no reason it will lack atmosphere. I was at Tottenham this season and thought the stadium was good for atmosphere. At the end of the day it is people who create the atmospher.
Yet a new stadium would be 5 plus years away, so how do we compete till then? A
We could be back in league one in 5 years.
And your point is what. Might as well plan for that scenario then and not bother trying to progress and establish ourselves at the top table.
RE: The Infrastructure Projects - Salvatore Matrecano - 28-05-2024
(28-05-2024, 10:40 PM)ToryTom Wrote:(28-05-2024, 09:47 PM)Widdow Wrote:(28-05-2024, 09:29 PM)ToryTom Wrote: The truth is if Forest want to progress and establish themselves as stalwarts in the premier league we will need to produce a lot more income. It looks like football spending is going to be based upon 80% of income. We are light years behind the top dozen teams. Our local rivals have potential for making more income than we do. The only way we will be able to compete at the top level is to have a much bigger stadium which is designed for multi use and monopolise most of the hospitality income generated from match day and other events. The City Ground site is simply not big enough. Demand for tickets grows every season we remain in the premier league. The city ground is iconic but it is no longer fit for purpose for where the club wants to go. If a new stadium is well designed there is no reason it will lack atmosphere. I was at Tottenham this season and thought the stadium was good for atmosphere. At the end of the day it is people who create the atmospher.
Yet a new stadium would be 5 plus years away, so how do we compete till then? A
We could be back in league one in 5 years.
And your point is what. Might as well plan for that scenario then and not bother trying to progress and establish ourselves at the top table.
Or stop fucking about, get serious about redevelopment of the PT stand which we could have done 3 years ago, start now and it would be open for season 25/6.
RE: The Infrastructure Projects - ToryTom - 28-05-2024
(28-05-2024, 10:43 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:(28-05-2024, 10:40 PM)ToryTom Wrote:(28-05-2024, 09:47 PM)Widdow Wrote:(28-05-2024, 09:29 PM)ToryTom Wrote: The truth is if Forest want to progress and establish themselves as stalwarts in the premier league we will need to produce a lot more income. It looks like football spending is going to be based upon 80% of income. We are light years behind the top dozen teams. Our local rivals have potential for making more income than we do. The only way we will be able to compete at the top level is to have a much bigger stadium which is designed for multi use and monopolise most of the hospitality income generated from match day and other events. The City Ground site is simply not big enough. Demand for tickets grows every season we remain in the premier league. The city ground is iconic but it is no longer fit for purpose for where the club wants to go. If a new stadium is well designed there is no reason it will lack atmosphere. I was at Tottenham this season and thought the stadium was good for atmosphere. At the end of the day it is people who create the atmospher.
Yet a new stadium would be 5 plus years away, so how do we compete till then? A
We could be back in league one in 5 years.
And your point is what. Might as well plan for that scenario then and not bother trying to progress and establish ourselves at the top table.
Or stop f*****g about, get serious about redevelopment of the PT stand which we could have done 3 years ago, start now and it would be open for season 25/6.
£100 m for 5,000 extra seats. Is that either cost effective or especially ambitious.
RE: The Infrastructure Projects - Salvatore Matrecano - 28-05-2024
(28-05-2024, 10:50 PM)ToryTom Wrote:(28-05-2024, 10:43 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:(28-05-2024, 10:40 PM)ToryTom Wrote:(28-05-2024, 09:47 PM)Widdow Wrote:(28-05-2024, 09:29 PM)ToryTom Wrote: The truth is if Forest want to progress and establish themselves as stalwarts in the premier league we will need to produce a lot more income. It looks like football spending is going to be based upon 80% of income. We are light years behind the top dozen teams. Our local rivals have potential for making more income than we do. The only way we will be able to compete at the top level is to have a much bigger stadium which is designed for multi use and monopolise most of the hospitality income generated from match day and other events. The City Ground site is simply not big enough. Demand for tickets grows every season we remain in the premier league. The city ground is iconic but it is no longer fit for purpose for where the club wants to go. If a new stadium is well designed there is no reason it will lack atmosphere. I was at Tottenham this season and thought the stadium was good for atmosphere. At the end of the day it is people who create the atmospher.
Yet a new stadium would be 5 plus years away, so how do we compete till then? A
We could be back in league one in 5 years.
And your point is what. Might as well plan for that scenario then and not bother trying to progress and establish ourselves at the top table.
Or stop f*****g about, get serious about redevelopment of the PT stand which we could have done 3 years ago, start now and it would be open for season 25/6.
£100 m for 5,000 extra seats. Is that either cost effective or especially ambitious.
Or £500m for 20,000 empty seats which wont arrive for another 10 years.
RE: The Infrastructure Projects - Widdow - 28-05-2024
(28-05-2024, 09:49 PM)Reds73 Wrote:(28-05-2024, 09:47 PM)Widdow Wrote:Well we can obvs compete to remain in the Prem.(28-05-2024, 09:29 PM)ToryTom Wrote: The truth is if Forest want to progress and establish themselves as stalwarts in the premier league we will need to produce a lot more income. It looks like football spending is going to be based upon 80% of income. We are light years behind the top dozen teams. Our local rivals have potential for making more income than we do. The only way we will be able to compete at the top level is to have a much bigger stadium which is designed for multi use and monopolise most of the hospitality income generated from match day and other events. The City Ground site is simply not big enough. Demand for tickets grows every season we remain in the premier league. The city ground is iconic but it is no longer fit for purpose for where the club wants to go. If a new stadium is well designed there is no reason it will lack atmosphere. I was at Tottenham this season and thought the stadium was good for atmosphere. At the end of the day it is people who create the atmospher.
Yet a new stadium would be 5 plus years away, so how do we compete till then? A
We could be back in league one in 5 years.
That’s not the modus operandi for Marinakis though
Challenging and competing on Europe is his goal
Marankis ambition is to take Forest to Europe. Has he considered what would happen if both Forest and olympicos both qualify for say Europe conference (the lowest euro competition) that due being an owner at both clubs one of his teams would have to forfeit their place?
RE: The Infrastructure Projects - Widdow - 28-05-2024
(28-05-2024, 10:50 PM)ToryTom Wrote:(28-05-2024, 10:43 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:(28-05-2024, 10:40 PM)ToryTom Wrote:(28-05-2024, 09:47 PM)Widdow Wrote:(28-05-2024, 09:29 PM)ToryTom Wrote: The truth is if Forest want to progress and establish themselves as stalwarts in the premier league we will need to produce a lot more income. It looks like football spending is going to be based upon 80% of income. We are light years behind the top dozen teams. Our local rivals have potential for making more income than we do. The only way we will be able to compete at the top level is to have a much bigger stadium which is designed for multi use and monopolise most of the hospitality income generated from match day and other events. The City Ground site is simply not big enough. Demand for tickets grows every season we remain in the premier league. The city ground is iconic but it is no longer fit for purpose for where the club wants to go. If a new stadium is well designed there is no reason it will lack atmosphere. I was at Tottenham this season and thought the stadium was good for atmosphere. At the end of the day it is people who create the atmospher.
Yet a new stadium would be 5 plus years away, so how do we compete till then? A
We could be back in league one in 5 years.
And your point is what. Might as well plan for that scenario then and not bother trying to progress and establish ourselves at the top table.
Or stop f*****g about, get serious about redevelopment of the PT stand which we could have done 3 years ago, start now and it would be open for season 25/6.
£100 m for 5,000 extra seats. Is that either cost effective or especially ambitious.
Yet the owners wasted millions on plans for just 5000 seats which announced their plans 5 years ago which at time they thought was ambitious then. See how much can change in 5 years?
RE: The Infrastructure Projects - ToryTom - 28-05-2024
The City Ground covers a small area in a residential location next to a river. Parking is difficult already and causes aggravation to residents. It is never going to be a big ground and unlikely to be easily converted for multi purpose use. It’s income generating potential is limited. The rules for football expenditure are changing to 80% income. It’s simple that if we stay at the City Ground we will not be able to compete with teams who have larger multi purpose stadiums. Whilst we have an owner who is ambitious for us to be more than just also fans i am keen to support that ambition.
RE: The Infrastructure Projects - Jimmygordon - 28-05-2024
Sustainability rules likes the 80% of income will come and go 10 times before the PT stand is knocked down
RE: The Infrastructure Projects - JWJW - 28-05-2024
I think all the arguments come down to :
Are you a selfish git who wants Forest to stay small and at the City Ground ?
or
Do you want Forest to become a big club who are regulars in Europe ?
And there is the choice. Stay where we are and be small OR new stadium and become a top level club.
RE: The Infrastructure Projects - Tricky - 29-05-2024
(28-05-2024, 11:57 PM)JWJW Wrote: I think all the arguments come down to :
Are you a selfish git who wants Forest to stay small and at the City Ground ?
or
Do you want Forest to become a big club who are regulars in Europe ?
And there is the choice. Stay where we are and be small OR new stadium and become a top level club.
You missed an option, which is..........
Have a nice big shiny stadium with half empty seats as the club wallows in the Championship basement.
RE: The Infrastructure Projects - ToryTom - 29-05-2024
(29-05-2024, 06:04 AM)Tricky Wrote:(28-05-2024, 11:57 PM)JWJW Wrote: I think all the arguments come down to :
Are you a selfish git who wants Forest to stay small and at the City Ground ?
or
Do you want Forest to become a big club who are regulars in Europe ?
And there is the choice. Stay where we are and be small OR new stadium and become a top level club.
You missed an option, which is..........
Have a nice big shiny stadium with half empty seats as the club wallows in the Championship basement.
Or stay as small scale also rans. Let the Derby’s and Leicester’s fill the void.
RE: The Infrastructure Projects - Jean_claude_killy - 29-05-2024
(29-05-2024, 06:04 AM)Tricky Wrote:(28-05-2024, 11:57 PM)JWJW Wrote: I think all the arguments come down to :
Are you a selfish git who wants Forest to stay small and at the City Ground ?
or
Do you want Forest to become a big club who are regulars in Europe ?
And there is the choice. Stay where we are and be small OR new stadium and become a top level club.
You missed an option, which is..........
Have a nice big shiny stadium with half empty seats as the club wallows in the Championship basement.
If the heirarchy take that attitude nothing will get done.
You just do not plan for failure