Player Suggestions For The 2021 Summer Transfer Window

[Alf]

We were hanging out for 6m for BJ weren't we? so I'd be surprised if the bid was more than 4m.

No chance I'd sell at that. The club needs to start being so short-termist.

[SSM]

Would you be tempted to cash in on Johnson SSM if a decent offer came in this week?

I would.

No.  I think reason will come to the fore once the window is closed.  Ultimately, whilst DJ isn't happy that Brennan can't have an easy escape route favourable to him in the current offer, once the window is closed, his son is losing out on thousands of pounds a week he could and should be earning in a new deal.

Interesting.  So DJ wants Brennan to have an 'out' if a eg. Premier club comes in with a bid for £x amount?  Johnno his son's agent then?

We'll see if they blink.  Brennan hasn't got off to a blazing start in the championship.  He's been anonymous so far.  Maybe the contract stuff is distracting.  Maybe Rogers made him look good in League 1.  Perhaps the step up to the Championship is a large sandwich to digest.

SA.

That's what has been said.

A month or two ago, a non Forest related twitter account saw Rogers linked with Prem clubs for £9m.  The account made reference to Brentford's interest in Johnson, stating that Johnson outperformed Rogers when both at Lincoln (which is a fair assessment) and claimed Johnson's value should be in excess of Rogers'.

David Johnson (erroneously) stated that Rogers cost City £4m from WBA and that Brennan Johnson cost £0.  So Brennan's value should be less.

Firstly, this nailed his colour to the mast that he was trying to devalue his own son, in the interests of lowering the 'release fee' in a new contract at Forest for Brennan.

What I then informed him, was that Brennan did not cost Forest £0.  It costs the club several million a year to run the academy.  Of which, you're very lucky if you get 2 full time pros a season out of it. 

Considering Brennan has been with Forest since he was 8?  That means if you were to say 2 pros a year, at a (modest) cost evaluation of 1m per year per player, then Brennan has actually cost Forest £11m to produce.

David Johnson did what he usually does when challenge, and swore at me, made some bollock accusation and referred to him and his wife (ex-wife?) as watching Brennan train 4 times a week and that being priceless.  Even though it has zero value on the topic.

Now, i'm not saying Brennan is worth £11m.  But the club has treated him superbly, they've give him his debut, sent him on a loan to a club that has developed him fantastically, and now he's in his Forest break-through season.  I think the system could and should be adapted better to suit Brennan's game and he'd produce more as a result, increase his value.

But what is certain is that he is an asset of NFFC and David Johnson wants to both have his son be 'paid' his value, but also control the fee in which he can leave for, so they can set his next move up perfectly to benefit him, and not necessarily NFFC.

Brennan is absolutely good enough for this level.  He's an exceptional talent.  But he needs to master this level for a year, maybe two, before he even worries about his next move.  David Johnson needs to consider that when resolving his contract at Forest.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Would you be tempted to cash in on Johnson SSM if a decent offer came in this week?

I would.

No.  I think reason will come to the fore once the window is closed.  Ultimately, whilst DJ isn't happy that Brennan can't have an easy escape route favourable to him in the current offer, once the window is closed, his son is losing out on thousands of pounds a week he could and should be earning in a new deal.

Interesting.  So DJ wants Brennan to have an 'out' if a eg. Premier club comes in with a bid for £x amount?  Johnno his son's agent then?

We'll see if they blink.  Brennan hasn't got off to a blazing start in the championship.  He's been anonymous so far.  Maybe the contract stuff is distracting.  Maybe Rogers made him look good in League 1.  Perhaps the step up to the Championship is a large sandwich to digest.

SA.

That's what has been said.

A month or two ago, a non Forest related twitter account saw Rogers linked with Prem clubs for £9m.  The account made reference to Brentford's interest in Johnson, stating that Johnson outperformed Rogers when both at Lincoln (which is a fair assessment) and claimed Johnson's value should be in excess of Rogers'.

David Johnson (erroneously) stated that Rogers cost City £4m from WBA and that Brennan Johnson cost £0.  So Brennan's value should be less.

Firstly, this nailed his colour to the mast that he was trying to devalue his own son, in the interests of lowering the 'release fee' in a new contract at Forest for Brennan.

What I then informed him, was that Brennan did not cost Forest £0.  It costs the club several million a year to run the academy.  Of which, you're very lucky if you get 2 full time pros a season out of it. 

Considering Brennan has been with Forest since he was 8?  That means if you were to say 2 pros a year, at a (modest) cost evaluation of 1m per year per player, then Brennan has actually cost Forest £11m to produce.

David Johnson did what he usually does when challenge, and swore at me, made some bollock accusation and referred to him and his wife (ex-wife?) as watching Brennan train 4 times a week and that being priceless.  Even though it has zero value on the topic.

Now, i'm not saying Brennan is worth £11m.  But the club has treated him superbly, they've give him his debut, sent him on a loan to a club that has developed him fantastically, and now he's in his Forest break-through season.  I think the system could and should be adapted better to suit Brennan's game and he'd produce more as a result, increase his value.

But what is certain is that he is an asset of NFFC and David Johnson wants to both have his son be 'paid' his value, but also control the fee in which he can leave for, so they can set his next move up perfectly to benefit him, and not necessarily NFFC.

Brennan is absolutely good enough for this level.  He's an exceptional talent.  But he needs to master this level for a year, maybe two, before he even worries about his next move.  David Johnson needs to consider that when resolving his contract at Forest.

Great post, SSM.

That was informative.

SA.

[Woan]

Would you be tempted to cash in on Johnson SSM if a decent offer came in this week?

I would.

No.  I think reason will come to the fore once the window is closed.  Ultimately, whilst DJ isn't happy that Brennan can't have an easy escape route favourable to him in the current offer, once the window is closed, his son is losing out on thousands of pounds a week he could and should be earning in a new deal.

Interesting.  So DJ wants Brennan to have an 'out' if a eg. Premier club comes in with a bid for £x amount?  Johnno his son's agent then?

We'll see if they blink.  Brennan hasn't got off to a blazing start in the championship.  He's been anonymous so far.  Maybe the contract stuff is distracting.  Maybe Rogers made him look good in League 1.  Perhaps the step up to the Championship is a large sandwich to digest.

SA.

 
Morgan Roger's was only at Lincoln in the second half of the season. Johnno was on fire long before that. They got the ball to him in the right areas and quickly giving him more space to operate in. Our current labouredboured slow approach takes takes all of that away from the front 4 as a whole. I've watched him very carefully so far and he picks up some quality positions in between the lines we just cannot get the ball in to him right now. We do not even try to be fair were intent on passing sideways and backwards to our full backs. 

Johnno is a fall guy for those tactics. I'm hoping garner will help him flourish, he will find him quickly in the current intelligent positions he picks up and we will see far more of his ability in running at centre backs and full backs.

He's only played 3 games ffs, everyone wanted young players in but then some suddenly expect them to be amazing straight away. Just give them a chance to fail and learn. Everyone saying we should pick Fornah etc but then immediately writing off Johnson.

(I'm not saying this is all fans of course, just a few have been demanding he be dropped already)

Johnson should absolutely be playing. Those saying otherwise are the instant gratification crowd who know nothing about giving a player the right atmosphere in which he can flourish. I'm one that also wants Fornah to be given a chance because he can actually pass a ball unlike our two current DMs.

[optimistic_red]

Would you be tempted to cash in on Johnson SSM if a decent offer came in this week?

I would.

No.  I think reason will come to the fore once the window is closed.  Ultimately, whilst DJ isn't happy that Brennan can't have an easy escape route favourable to him in the current offer, once the window is closed, his son is losing out on thousands of pounds a week he could and should be earning in a new deal.

Interesting.  So DJ wants Brennan to have an 'out' if a eg. Premier club comes in with a bid for £x amount?  Johnno his son's agent then?

We'll see if they blink.  Brennan hasn't got off to a blazing start in the championship.  He's been anonymous so far.  Maybe the contract stuff is distracting.  Maybe Rogers made him look good in League 1.  Perhaps the step up to the Championship is a large sandwich to digest.

SA.

That's what has been said.

A month or two ago, a non Forest related twitter account saw Rogers linked with Prem clubs for £9m.  The account made reference to Brentford's interest in Johnson, stating that Johnson outperformed Rogers when both at Lincoln (which is a fair assessment) and claimed Johnson's value should be in excess of Rogers'.

David Johnson (erroneously) stated that Rogers cost City £4m from WBA and that Brennan Johnson cost £0.  So Brennan's value should be less.

Firstly, this nailed his colour to the mast that he was trying to devalue his own son, in the interests of lowering the 'release fee' in a new contract at Forest for Brennan.

What I then informed him, was that Brennan did not cost Forest £0.  It costs the club several million a year to run the academy.  Of which, you're very lucky if you get 2 full time pros a season out of it. 

Considering Brennan has been with Forest since he was 8?  That means if you were to say 2 pros a year, at a (modest) cost evaluation of 1m per year per player, then Brennan has actually cost Forest £11m to produce.

David Johnson did what he usually does when challenge, and swore at me, made some bollock accusation and referred to him and his wife (ex-wife?) as watching Brennan train 4 times a week and that being priceless.  Even though it has zero value on the topic.

Now, i'm not saying Brennan is worth £11m.  But the club has treated him superbly, they've give him his debut, sent him on a loan to a club that has developed him fantastically, and now he's in his Forest break-through season.  I think the system could and should be adapted better to suit Brennan's game and he'd produce more as a result, increase his value.

But what is certain is that he is an asset of NFFC and David Johnson wants to both have his son be 'paid' his value, but also control the fee in which he can leave for, so they can set his next move up perfectly to benefit him, and not necessarily NFFC.

Brennan is absolutely good enough for this level.  He's an exceptional talent.  But he needs to master this level for a year, maybe two, before he even worries about his next move.  David Johnson needs to consider that when resolving his contract at Forest.

Great post, SSM.

That was informative.

SA.

Hopefully Brennan is getting some advice other than his Dad. If he won't sign a new contract then he has to be sold.
I am hoping we see him grow in a Forest shirt this year and can get him more involved in games.

[Paplane]

No.  I think reason will come to the fore once the window is closed.  Ultimately, whilst DJ isn't happy that Brennan can't have an easy escape route favourable to him in the current offer, once the window is closed, his son is losing out on thousands of pounds a week he could and should be earning in a new deal.

Interesting.  So DJ wants Brennan to have an 'out' if a eg. Premier club comes in with a bid for £x amount?  Johnno his son's agent then?

We'll see if they blink.  Brennan hasn't got off to a blazing start in the championship.  He's been anonymous so far.  Maybe the contract stuff is distracting.  Maybe Rogers made him look good in League 1.  Perhaps the step up to the Championship is a large sandwich to digest.

SA.

That's what has been said.

A month or two ago, a non Forest related twitter account saw Rogers linked with Prem clubs for £9m.  The account made reference to Brentford's interest in Johnson, stating that Johnson outperformed Rogers when both at Lincoln (which is a fair assessment) and claimed Johnson's value should be in excess of Rogers'.

David Johnson (erroneously) stated that Rogers cost City £4m from WBA and that Brennan Johnson cost £0.  So Brennan's value should be less.

Firstly, this nailed his colour to the mast that he was trying to devalue his own son, in the interests of lowering the 'release fee' in a new contract at Forest for Brennan.

What I then informed him, was that Brennan did not cost Forest £0.  It costs the club several million a year to run the academy.  Of which, you're very lucky if you get 2 full time pros a season out of it. 

Considering Brennan has been with Forest since he was 8?  That means if you were to say 2 pros a year, at a (modest) cost evaluation of 1m per year per player, then Brennan has actually cost Forest £11m to produce.

David Johnson did what he usually does when challenge, and swore at me, made some bollock accusation and referred to him and his wife (ex-wife?) as watching Brennan train 4 times a week and that being priceless.  Even though it has zero value on the topic.

Now, i'm not saying Brennan is worth £11m.  But the club has treated him superbly, they've give him his debut, sent him on a loan to a club that has developed him fantastically, and now he's in his Forest break-through season.  I think the system could and should be adapted better to suit Brennan's game and he'd produce more as a result, increase his value.

But what is certain is that he is an asset of NFFC and David Johnson wants to both have his son be 'paid' his value, but also control the fee in which he can leave for, so they can set his next move up perfectly to benefit him, and not necessarily NFFC.

Brennan is absolutely good enough for this level.  He's an exceptional talent.  But he needs to master this level for a year, maybe two, before he even worries about his next move.  David Johnson needs to consider that when resolving his contract at Forest.

Great post, SSM.

That was informative.

SA.

Hopefully Brennan is getting some advice other than his Dad. If he won't sign a new contract then he has to be sold.
I am hoping we see him grow in a Forest shirt this year and can get him more involved in games.

Im at the point with Johnson where if he isnt going to sign a contract that protects the club's investment in him then he needs to be escorted to the door. He's not the next Ronaldo even if his dad thinks he is.  We'll get by without him and he'll be free to go amd play for Brentford reserves. No one player is bigger than the club especially one that to date has only put in a handful of questionable performances in for it.

[wassy04]

Interesting.  So DJ wants Brennan to have an 'out' if a eg. Premier club comes in with a bid for £x amount?  Johnno his son's agent then?

We'll see if they blink.  Brennan hasn't got off to a blazing start in the championship.  He's been anonymous so far.  Maybe the contract stuff is distracting.  Maybe Rogers made him look good in League 1.  Perhaps the step up to the Championship is a large sandwich to digest.

SA.

That's what has been said.

A month or two ago, a non Forest related twitter account saw Rogers linked with Prem clubs for £9m.  The account made reference to Brentford's interest in Johnson, stating that Johnson outperformed Rogers when both at Lincoln (which is a fair assessment) and claimed Johnson's value should be in excess of Rogers'.

David Johnson (erroneously) stated that Rogers cost City £4m from WBA and that Brennan Johnson cost £0.  So Brennan's value should be less.

Firstly, this nailed his colour to the mast that he was trying to devalue his own son, in the interests of lowering the 'release fee' in a new contract at Forest for Brennan.

What I then informed him, was that Brennan did not cost Forest £0.  It costs the club several million a year to run the academy.  Of which, you're very lucky if you get 2 full time pros a season out of it. 

Considering Brennan has been with Forest since he was 8?  That means if you were to say 2 pros a year, at a (modest) cost evaluation of 1m per year per player, then Brennan has actually cost Forest £11m to produce.

David Johnson did what he usually does when challenge, and swore at me, made some bollock accusation and referred to him and his wife (ex-wife?) as watching Brennan train 4 times a week and that being priceless.  Even though it has zero value on the topic.

Now, i'm not saying Brennan is worth £11m.  But the club has treated him superbly, they've give him his debut, sent him on a loan to a club that has developed him fantastically, and now he's in his Forest break-through season.  I think the system could and should be adapted better to suit Brennan's game and he'd produce more as a result, increase his value.

But what is certain is that he is an asset of NFFC and David Johnson wants to both have his son be 'paid' his value, but also control the fee in which he can leave for, so they can set his next move up perfectly to benefit him, and not necessarily NFFC.

Brennan is absolutely good enough for this level.  He's an exceptional talent.  But he needs to master this level for a year, maybe two, before he even worries about his next move.  David Johnson needs to consider that when resolving his contract at Forest.

Great post, SSM.

That was informative.

SA.

Hopefully Brennan is getting some advice other than his Dad. If he won't sign a new contract then he has to be sold.
I am hoping we see him grow in a Forest shirt this year and can get him more involved in games.

Im at the point with Johnson where if he isnt going to sign a contract that protects the club's investment in him then he needs to be escorted to the door. He's not the next Ronaldo even if his dad thinks he is.  We'll get by without him and he'll be free to go amd play for Brentford reserves. No one player is bigger than the club especially one that to date has only put in a handful of questionable performances in for it.

As hinted at by someone else, I'm sure once the window closes and he hasn't got the option of a move it'll be easier to get the contract signed. He'd only be losing himself income at that point

[Shawoddyred]

That's what has been said.

A month or two ago, a non Forest related twitter account saw Rogers linked with Prem clubs for £9m.  The account made reference to Brentford's interest in Johnson, stating that Johnson outperformed Rogers when both at Lincoln (which is a fair assessment) and claimed Johnson's value should be in excess of Rogers'.

David Johnson (erroneously) stated that Rogers cost City £4m from WBA and that Brennan Johnson cost £0.  So Brennan's value should be less.

Firstly, this nailed his colour to the mast that he was trying to devalue his own son, in the interests of lowering the 'release fee' in a new contract at Forest for Brennan.

What I then informed him, was that Brennan did not cost Forest £0.  It costs the club several million a year to run the academy.  Of which, you're very lucky if you get 2 full time pros a season out of it. 

Considering Brennan has been with Forest since he was 8?  That means if you were to say 2 pros a year, at a (modest) cost evaluation of 1m per year per player, then Brennan has actually cost Forest £11m to produce.

David Johnson did what he usually does when challenge, and swore at me, made some bollock accusation and referred to him and his wife (ex-wife?) as watching Brennan train 4 times a week and that being priceless.  Even though it has zero value on the topic.

Now, i'm not saying Brennan is worth £11m.  But the club has treated him superbly, they've give him his debut, sent him on a loan to a club that has developed him fantastically, and now he's in his Forest break-through season.  I think the system could and should be adapted better to suit Brennan's game and he'd produce more as a result, increase his value.

But what is certain is that he is an asset of NFFC and David Johnson wants to both have his son be 'paid' his value, but also control the fee in which he can leave for, so they can set his next move up perfectly to benefit him, and not necessarily NFFC.

Brennan is absolutely good enough for this level.  He's an exceptional talent.  But he needs to master this level for a year, maybe two, before he even worries about his next move.  David Johnson needs to consider that when resolving his contract at Forest.

Great post, SSM.

That was informative.

SA.

Hopefully Brennan is getting some advice other than his Dad. If he won't sign a new contract then he has to be sold.
I am hoping we see him grow in a Forest shirt this year and can get him more involved in games.

Im at the point with Johnson where if he isnt going to sign a contract that protects the club's investment in him then he needs to be escorted to the door. He's not the next Ronaldo even if his dad thinks he is.  We'll get by without him and he'll be free to go amd play for Brentford reserves. No one player is bigger than the club especially one that to date has only put in a handful of questionable performances in for it.

As hinted at by someone else, I'm sure once the window closes and he hasn't got the option of a move it'll be easier to get the contract signed. He'd only be losing himself income at that point

Or he'll be 1 step closer to forcing a move away from the club...

[wassy04]

Great post, SSM.

That was informative.

SA.

Hopefully Brennan is getting some advice other than his Dad. If he won't sign a new contract then he has to be sold.
I am hoping we see him grow in a Forest shirt this year and can get him more involved in games.

Im at the point with Johnson where if he isnt going to sign a contract that protects the club's investment in him then he needs to be escorted to the door. He's not the next Ronaldo even if his dad thinks he is.  We'll get by without him and he'll be free to go amd play for Brentford reserves. No one player is bigger than the club especially one that to date has only put in a handful of questionable performances in for it.

As hinted at by someone else, I'm sure once the window closes and he hasn't got the option of a move it'll be easier to get the contract signed. He'd only be losing himself income at that point

Or he'll be 1 step closer to forcing a move away from the club...

Surely, if the window is closed he physically couldn't move so aside from having one less week on his contract I'm not sure how that would be the case?

Say he's on around 5-10k now and a new contract would be 3 times that (I don't know what the going rate is). For the next three months he'd be down a few 100k theoretically. Probably gives us a little more leverage if anything. He's still got 2 years left too not one so there is no major rush. I'm confident it'll be sorted during the international break.

Or we'll get a big offer and sell...(I hope not, would be a bit gutted)

[Strawberry Avenger]

Sow. Still available on a free?

That's my suggestion. I thought it was a bit of a mistake letting him go. Miss his power.

Pity he was 'broken.'

SA.

[Paplane]

I'm torn on this. I'm having trouble being too harsh on the lad over this contract signing because at the same time it appears that the Forest Derisory Offer factor has resurfaced. I want to trust that the club have done the right thing and offered him an appropriate contract but cant help but think our MO now is to do things on the cheap at all costs.

[Shawoddyred]

Hopefully Brennan is getting some advice other than his Dad. If he won't sign a new contract then he has to be sold.
I am hoping we see him grow in a Forest shirt this year and can get him more involved in games.

Im at the point with Johnson where if he isnt going to sign a contract that protects the club's investment in him then he needs to be escorted to the door. He's not the next Ronaldo even if his dad thinks he is.  We'll get by without him and he'll be free to go amd play for Brentford reserves. No one player is bigger than the club especially one that to date has only put in a handful of questionable performances in for it.

As hinted at by someone else, I'm sure once the window closes and he hasn't got the option of a move it'll be easier to get the contract signed. He'd only be losing himself income at that point

Or he'll be 1 step closer to forcing a move away from the club...

Surely, if the window is closed he physically couldn't move so aside from having one less week on his contract I'm not sure how that would be the case?

Say he's on around 5-10k now and a new contract would be 3 times that (I don't know what the going rate is). For the next three months he'd be down a few 100k theoretically. Probably gives us a little more leverage if anything. He's still got 2 years left too not one so there is no major rush. I'm confident it'll be sorted during the international break.

Or we'll get a big offer and sell...(I hope not, would be a bit gutted)

It means that he's down to 18 months left on his contract in Jan, which is the next time we can sell him thus probably reducing what we could possibly get. If he/his dad is thinking long term, that couple of 100k could be relatively insignificant. I dunno - just playing devil's advocate, I think he will sign a new contract, I think both he and his dad want to stay.