(30-11-2019, 09:34 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: We weren't that bad and we did create chances, Cardiff are a horrible team but they got their tactics spot on. Agree our final ball was poor too often, Lolley especially guilty and our corners awful too, what happened to Silva’s set piece taking? It was the one thing he could do right at the start of the season, improved every other area but now cant play a dead ball. Carv anonymous as was Adomah when he came on but all in all we have probably played worse and won eg vs Barnsley.
Oh and if we ever for some reason end up signing Gary Madine I promise I will throw my season ticket in the Trent.

(01-12-2019, 12:31 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:

(01-12-2019, 12:16 AM)Alf Wrote: Yates or Sow start instead of Carvalho & we at least get a point from that today.

Sorry Alf dont agree at all. It was the final ball missing, Lolley, Silva, Ameobi, Cash and the rest. And Sow and Yates are never creative players, dont see how either would have helped.
You are just having a go at Carv for the sake of it now, I have said myself he was poor but thats not why we lost.

(01-12-2019, 01:58 PM)Alf Wrote:

(01-12-2019, 12:31 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:

(01-12-2019, 12:16 AM)Alf Wrote: Yates or Sow start instead of Carvalho & we at least get a point from that today.

Sorry Alf dont agree at all. It was the final ball missing, Lolley, Silva, Ameobi, Cash and the rest. And Sow and Yates are never creative players, dont see how either would have helped.
You are just having a go at Carv for the sake of it now, I have said myself he was poor but thats not why we lost.

That's a fair point, but it's that final ball problem which I think we needed them for.

With Yates & Sow the pressure gets put back on to Cardiff more, and we'd force more errors from them IMO. Bully our way through rather than looking to craft it.

More than 1 way to skin a cat as they say.

(01-12-2019, 02:35 PM)zicorice Wrote:

(01-12-2019, 01:58 PM)Alf Wrote:

(01-12-2019, 12:31 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:

(01-12-2019, 12:16 AM)Alf Wrote: Yates or Sow start instead of Carvalho & we at least get a point from that today.

Sorry Alf dont agree at all. It was the final ball missing, Lolley, Silva, Ameobi, Cash and the rest. And Sow and Yates are never creative players, dont see how either would have helped.
You are just having a go at Carv for the sake of it now, I have said myself he was poor but thats not why we lost.

That's a fair point, but it's that final ball problem which I think we needed them for.

With Yates & Sow the pressure gets put back on to Cardiff more, and we'd force more errors from them IMO. Bully our way through rather than looking to craft it.

More than 1 way to skin a cat as they say.

Agree with this. Small details. Silva never stood a chance in the air, so many times the 2nd ball was a headed duel for Silva, which he lost. Yates would more often then not headed the ball 15 or 20 yards back up the pitch. Sometimes you fight fire with fire within the 90 mins.

(01-12-2019, 05:38 PM)ozzyten10 Wrote: If Yates or sow playing then Cardiff don’t score. They would have been all over Mendes-Laing I n my opinion. 

(01-12-2019, 06:33 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote: Cardiff were fortune that the footballing fates conspired against Forest.

I'd like to see Dawson, Yates, Sow back in the side. 

As soon as possible.  And emergency reinforcements on the wing and up front as well.  Possibly another midfield player with class and guile and the robust/experience to back it up.

SA.

(30-11-2019, 06:59 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote: Game spoiling teams that would 'old man' a naive Forest under Warburton or show their pedigree class vs Forest's hobbits are consigned largely to history.  But that 'muck and nettles' nemesis that still gift wraps teams like Cardiff (who haven't won away all season?) their 'duck.' 

I'd sulk.  But we've been here so many times before.  Against those 'physical', time wasting, park the bus sides.

Wigan, Hull and now Cardiff.  These are those 'one of those days' sides.  It's cost 9 points.

Summer showed a change of tack in understanding the kind of players 'we' (Forest) need to recruit to get out of 'this' league.  And Wigan, Hull, Cardiff all showed where Forest's squad a short.  It's cost 9 points.  All three teams were 'beatable' but not by Forest's squad toolset available to them.  All teams will have an off day in the championship.  Forest have had 3 that really come to mind including todays.  It's one goal.  But that lapse cost Forest a draw.  (I won't say a win.)

And it will only be addressed by work in the transfer window.  2-3 players.  Robust, 'play the game' and can 'play a bit' style players.  Match winners.

This was the kind of game that Forest prob' missed Dawson's leadership at the back and definitely Sow in the middle.

A Collymore style striker.  An Ollie Watkins.  A physical player who can just run at a defence and make something instead of waiting for it to fall on their lap.

Ironic that Tomlin was on their side.  I noticed with a wry smile he'd tumbled into Watson and 'gamed' a free kick and it was around this time of conceding cheap possession in 'our' half that the goal came.  You 'knew' it was coming.

And it shook Forest.  That's a sign of a team still in progress.  No shame in that.  Forest were a top 12-ish side last season.  They are currently a top 6 (4!) side.

Restoring Dawson and Sow to the side will help.  But they need 2-3 players with power, guile, match winning will and goal scoring capability.

Leeds and WBA are find that 'inevitable' win each week and the die seems cast?  Having played both of them we seemed short of their quality.  They're further down the line.  They've stuck with it longer.  We're still chasing their cycle of development.  i.e. we're playing catch up.

More to come.  But that will mean another transfer window if any remote possibility of a top 2 aspiration is be anything more than mere words.

SA.