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RE: Daniel Taylor - Paplane - 08-09-2021
(08-09-2021, 09:19 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Okedoke, had a listen, as Pap said nothing particularly controversial, he is simply a fan who gets frustrated and sounds off like we all do, just when he does people tend to notice.
Biggest criticism surprisingly was probably aimed at Hughton. Doesnt seem to rate him at all and cant see situation improving. Thinks club not “just sitting on their hands” about it.
The rumour about Chris Wilder was total nonsense - he doesnt like Alan Nixon does he?
Regarding Murphy he called it “a very strange set up” where you have a former CEO and current CEO working together but didnt go further.
As has been said he was fairly optimistic about our transfer window. That we seem to have a 20k salary ceiling in place was news to me. A Premier league striker turned us down because of that. Critical of past, Lyle Taylor took a few pelters.
Final offer for Buchanan was £1.3 plus add ons and nowhere near enough.
Lovely anecdotes at the end about Eusebio and Mourinho, both huge Clough fans.
I too was really surprised at the level of his ambivalence towards Hughton's reign, especially as I recall he kicked the club when CH was appointed as a way of getting a few truths out there about Vrentzos' interference with previous incumbents. It was his way of getting CH some cover in that regard. I would've liked them to press Taylor's views on that a bit more, and put it too him that if CH goes, how does that prevent a whole miserable cycle of churn from re-occurring?
RE: Daniel Taylor - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 08-09-2021
I was really surprised how many times he kept saying 'yer know'
You normally associate that with thick footballers yer know.
RE: Daniel Taylor - wassy04 - 08-09-2021
(08-09-2021, 11:11 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Should clarify the “far too many” bit was my comment not DTs. The bit about Worrall was him.
I accept we have cleared some dead wood and reduced the wage bill now, but to answer your question from last season:
Jenkinson
Christie
Freeman
Sow
Knockaert
Arter
Murray
Taylor
Grabban
In addiotion on at least 15k from info that is out there
Bong
Hefele
Colback
Blackett
Krovinovic
Dawson
As I said these are last years figures and we are suffering for them now because it limits what we can spend with P&S and why for example we couldnt make a decent bid for Buchanan.
That we know have a wage cap and have shed many of the high earners who contribute little is a big posotove and I credit the club for the direction they seem to be taking.
Colback won't be on over 15k (at least not in basic wages) the link Sniff posted showing 7k sounds more realistic.
I would argue that Christie was worth the wages for a year loan (and was playing at least :D ), was a big reason we stayed up.
Otherwise it's a pretty depressing list of overpaid players.
RE: Daniel Taylor - Paplane - 08-09-2021
(08-09-2021, 11:10 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: Sorry but I don't believe for second that Taylor is on 30K and nobody can convince me otherwise.
Strikers cost a lot of money though, dont they. Taylor was interesting a lot of clubs at our level and came in on a free. £30k a week seems high but not extortionate given that he's basically pocketed the transfer fee for himself by allowing his contract to run down at Charlton.
Yes, in the context of him not doing the business on the pitch it's a lot, but at the time I think he was a decent signing and if he improves this season, which I'm hoping he might, then it might not look so bad.
RE: Daniel Taylor - wassy04 - 08-09-2021
(08-09-2021, 11:25 AM)Paplane Wrote:(08-09-2021, 11:10 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: Sorry but I don't believe for second that Taylor is on 30K and nobody can convince me otherwise.
Strikers cost a lot of money though, dont they. Taylor was interesting a lot of clubs at our level and came in on a free. £30k a week seems high but not extortionate given that he's basically pocketed the transfer fee for himself by allowing his contract to run down at Charlton.
Yes, in the context of him not doing the business on the pitch it's a lot, but at the time I think he was a decent signing and if he improves this season, which I'm hoping he might, then it might not look so bad.
Yep agreed with all of the above.
He might look better in a 433 too if there are others getting closer to him. He's really not looked comfortable as the loan striker in the 4231.
RE: Discuss Daniel Taylor's Thoughts - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 08-09-2021
Exactly Pap. Plus every club makes bad signings and has player's sitting around and not playing.
Listening to some you would think that it was only us.
RE: Daniel Taylor - Salvatore Matrecano - 08-09-2021
(08-09-2021, 11:19 AM)wassy04 Wrote: Colback won't be on over 15k (at least not in basic wages) the link Sniff posted showing 7k sounds more realistic.
I would argue that Christie was worth the wages for a year loan (and was playing at least :D ), was a big reason we stayed up.
Otherwise it's a pretty depressing list of overpaid players.
This is a bit of an aside to the main discussion but picking up on it as you have mentioned it before.
Why do you think Colback is on low wages? He isnt certainly not £7K. It is well known he was on £40k/wk at Newcastle. According to many (not me) he was one of the best CMs in the league and any club would have wanted him. He certainly didnt come cheap regardless of his ability, probably took a signing on fee too.
Christie I agree with you and the list I put out was simply high earners at the club regardless of their contribution.
RE: Daniel Taylor - wassy04 - 08-09-2021
(08-09-2021, 11:39 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:(08-09-2021, 11:19 AM)wassy04 Wrote: Colback won't be on over 15k (at least not in basic wages) the link Sniff posted showing 7k sounds more realistic.
I would argue that Christie was worth the wages for a year loan (and was playing at least :D ), was a big reason we stayed up.
Otherwise it's a pretty depressing list of overpaid players.
This is a bit of an aside to the main discussion but picking up on it as you have mentioned it before.
Why do you think Colback is on low wages? He isnt certainly not £7K. It is well known he was on £40k/wk at Newcastle. According to many (not me) he was one of the best CMs in the league and any club would have wanted him. He certainly didnt come cheap regardless of his ability, probably took a signing on fee too.
Christie I agree with you and the list I put out was simply high earners at the club regardless of their contribution.
Sniff's article suggested 7k.
Yes it is well known but he also didn't play for 2-3 years due to injury and not being wanted. I very much doubt he was in demand and was always a gamble due to the 2 years of injuries. Which proved to be the case as he immediately got injured. Personally thought he was great in his first spell, I guess the injuries have worn him down.
So anyway, I'm taking all of the above into consideration (including Sniff's article) and concluding that it would be questionable to pay him big numbers. Perhaps a low base wage with large incentives based on game time.
Maybe I'm being too generous to assume the club wouldn't have been that generous... someone ITK feel free to trash this :D
RE: Discuss Daniel Taylor's Thoughts - Mcforest - 08-09-2021
Wages maybe high but at least we only have these players for this season Lewis Grabban, Gaetan Bong, Tobias Figueiredo, Carl Jenkinson, Jordan Smith.
Be good to have a model that conditions agents that we maybe Nottingham Forest but we are no longer the wages gravey train like before. The plan should be you come in low and prove your worth and if you do that your wages go up, same for those you come through the young ranks.
RE: Daniel Taylor - Paplane - 08-09-2021
(08-09-2021, 11:49 AM)wassy04 Wrote:(08-09-2021, 11:39 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:(08-09-2021, 11:19 AM)wassy04 Wrote: Colback won't be on over 15k (at least not in basic wages) the link Sniff posted showing 7k sounds more realistic.
I would argue that Christie was worth the wages for a year loan (and was playing at least :D ), was a big reason we stayed up.
Otherwise it's a pretty depressing list of overpaid players.
This is a bit of an aside to the main discussion but picking up on it as you have mentioned it before.
Why do you think Colback is on low wages? He isnt certainly not £7K. It is well known he was on £40k/wk at Newcastle. According to many (not me) he was one of the best CMs in the league and any club would have wanted him. He certainly didnt come cheap regardless of his ability, probably took a signing on fee too.
Christie I agree with you and the list I put out was simply high earners at the club regardless of their contribution.
Sniff's article suggested 7k.
Yes it is well known but he also didn't play for 2-3 years due to injury and not being wanted. I very much doubt he was in demand and was always a gamble due to the 2 years of injuries. Which proved to be the case as he immediately got injured. Personally thought he was great in his first spell, I guess the injuries have worn him down.
So anyway, I'm taking all of the above into consideration (including Sniff's article) and concluding that it would be questionable to pay him big numbers. Perhaps a low base wage with large incentives based on game time.
Maybe I'm being too generous to assume the club wouldn't have been that generous... someone ITK feel free to trash this :D
I don't think there are any ITK's on player salaries personally, even among staff at the club. The only people likely to know are the payroll staff and the people directly involved in negotiating the contract.
RE: Daniel Taylor - Strawberry Avenger - 08-09-2021
(08-09-2021, 11:19 AM)wassy04 Wrote:(08-09-2021, 11:11 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Should clarify the “far too many” bit was my comment not DTs. The bit about Worrall was him.
I accept we have cleared some dead wood and reduced the wage bill now, but to answer your question from last season:
Jenkinson
Christie
Freeman
Sow
Knockaert
Arter
Murray
Taylor
Grabban
In addiotion on at least 15k from info that is out there
Bong
Hefele
Colback
Blackett
Krovinovic
Dawson
As I said these are last years figures and we are suffering for them now because it limits what we can spend with P&S and why for example we couldnt make a decent bid for Buchanan.
That we know have a wage cap and have shed many of the high earners who contribute little is a big posotove and I credit the club for the direction they seem to be taking.
Colback won't be on over 15k (at least not in basic wages) the link Sniff posted showing 7k sounds more realistic.
I would argue that Christie was worth the wages for a year loan (and was playing at least :D ), was a big reason we stayed up.
Otherwise it's a pretty depressing list of overpaid players.
The salary link was shocking.
And depressing.
SA.
RE: Discuss Daniel Taylor's Thoughts - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 08-09-2021
Why would Dane be upset if Vrentzos was ringing around some player's?
To be honest I don't think he did get upset for a minute despite what some might want to portray.
In fact Dane should and he probably did embrace and really appreciate that.
Yes we all know that Vrentzos was far from perfect in his roll of CEO but if Dane thinks that someone with much more experience than himself and with loads more contacts in the game than himself can assist and help him in some deals then where is the problem?
Dane would be a fool to turn down such an offer especially when he's only been in the job for five minutes.