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RE: Daniel Taylor - wassy04 - 08-09-2021
(08-09-2021, 10:36 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:(08-09-2021, 09:50 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Far too many over that sum and not even getting on the pitch. Joe Worrall significantly under that amount and ought to get himself a new agent.
Far too many?
Who are they.
I can think of only one, Grabban.
Possibly Jenkinson but I would imagine that his salary is performance related.
Arter I suspect, definitely Jenkinson.
RE: Daniel Taylor - wassy04 - 08-09-2021
(08-09-2021, 10:38 AM)Sausage Roll Wrote:(08-09-2021, 10:36 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:(08-09-2021, 09:50 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Far too many over that sum and not even getting on the pitch. Joe Worrall significantly under that amount and ought to get himself a new agent.
Far too many?
Who are they.
I can think of only one, Grabban.
Possibly Jenkinson but I would imagine that his salary is performance related.
Surely Arter (yes I know he's out on loan but even so). Wouldn't be surprised if Taylor is too.
Taylor is getting on the pitch though, he's our first choice striker...
RE: Daniel Taylor - wassy04 - 08-09-2021
Taylor also says the plan in future is to only have a few loans and mainly permanent signings once the squad is a bit stronger
RE: Daniel Taylor - wassy04 - 08-09-2021
(08-09-2021, 10:40 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:(08-09-2021, 10:38 AM)Sausage Roll Wrote:(08-09-2021, 10:36 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:(08-09-2021, 09:50 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Far too many over that sum and not even getting on the pitch. Joe Worrall significantly under that amount and ought to get himself a new agent.
Far too many?
Who are they.
I can think of only one, Grabban.
Possibly Jenkinson but I would imagine that his salary is performance related.
Surely Arter (yes I know he's out on loan but even so). Wouldn't be surprised if Taylor is too.
Nope not to my knowledge.
That 30K is a load of bollocks. That was his salary at Bournemouth.
Taylor? No way SR.
Well DT says Worrall is on half of what Taylor is on so Worrall must be on really low if Taylor is getting less than 20k! :D
RE: Daniel Taylor - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 08-09-2021
Not saying this is 100% accurate because it's not but it does give us some kind of a rough idea and does confirm one or two things that I heard like Arter for example.
salarysport.com
RE: Daniel Taylor - wassy04 - 08-09-2021
(08-09-2021, 10:43 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: Not saying this is 100% accurate because it's not but it does give us some kind of a rough idea and does confirm one or two things that I heard like Arter for example.
salarysport.com
True or not the rankings are probably fairly accurate, quite of few of those higher ones have gone too, that's good.
Bong 16k :huh:
Based on this our highest earners are still predominantly not playing, Grabban (understandable though), Jenkinson, Bong, Cafu, Arter all either bench or worse.
RE: Daniel Taylor - Widdow - 08-09-2021
(08-09-2021, 10:41 AM)wassy04 Wrote:(08-09-2021, 10:40 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:(08-09-2021, 10:38 AM)Sausage Roll Wrote:(08-09-2021, 10:36 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:(08-09-2021, 09:50 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Far too many over that sum and not even getting on the pitch. Joe Worrall significantly under that amount and ought to get himself a new agent.
Far too many?
Who are they.
I can think of only one, Grabban.
Possibly Jenkinson but I would imagine that his salary is performance related.
Surely Arter (yes I know he's out on loan but even so). Wouldn't be surprised if Taylor is too.
Nope not to my knowledge.
That 30K is a load of bollocks. That was his salary at Bournemouth.
Taylor? No way SR.
Well DT says Worrall is on half of what Taylor is on so Worrall must be on really low if Taylor is getting less than 20k! :D
Taylor on £30k
RE: Daniel Taylor - Paplane - 08-09-2021
(08-09-2021, 09:39 AM)wassy04 Wrote:(08-09-2021, 09:19 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Okedoke, had a listen, as Pap said nothing particularly controversial, he is simply a fan who gets frustrated and sounds off like we all do, just when he does people tend to notice.
Biggest criticism surprisingly was probably aimed at Hughton. Doesnt seem to rate him at all and cant see situation improving. Thinks club not “just sitting on their hands” about it.
The rumour about Chris Wilder was total nonsense - he doesnt like Alan Nixon does he?
Regarding Murphy he called it “a very strange set up” where you have a former CEO and current CEO working together but didnt go further.
As has been said he was fairly optimistic about our transfer window. That we seem to have a 20k salary ceiling in place was news to me. A Premier league striker turned us down because of that. Critical of past, Lyle Taylor took a few pelters.
Final offer for Buchanan was £1.3 plus add ons and nowhere near enough.
Lovely anecdotes at the end about Eusebio and Mourinho, both huge Clough fans.
20k salary cap is interesting, maybe we'll actually finally sort our finances out. Our best chance of going up in a parachute payments world is surely running low wages and relying on a group of academy players to peak at the same time.
As for Taylor, I've not listened but if as said above he was holding back then sounds like Dane has had a word IMO (wildly speculating). Reigning him back in and getting his support should be seen as a big plus for the new regime, whilst perhaps it means we hear slightly less of the goings on, it implies there's less to tell! Fingers crossed
I didn't get any impression that Dane has had a word with him to be honest. He's still critical of Randall, in particular the none delivery of all of the positive things in his 'open letter' when EM took over from Fawaz. Critical too of the PR operation of the the clubs basically suggesting everything's rosy, and as has been said above, very critical of Vrentzos and the transfer business of the last 5 years. So far he sees Dane Murphy as a positive but I wonder how long it's going to take before he get the Taylor knifing.
RE: Daniel Taylor - wassy04 - 08-09-2021
(08-09-2021, 11:03 AM)Paplane Wrote:(08-09-2021, 09:39 AM)wassy04 Wrote:(08-09-2021, 09:19 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Okedoke, had a listen, as Pap said nothing particularly controversial, he is simply a fan who gets frustrated and sounds off like we all do, just when he does people tend to notice.
Biggest criticism surprisingly was probably aimed at Hughton. Doesnt seem to rate him at all and cant see situation improving. Thinks club not “just sitting on their hands” about it.
The rumour about Chris Wilder was total nonsense - he doesnt like Alan Nixon does he?
Regarding Murphy he called it “a very strange set up” where you have a former CEO and current CEO working together but didnt go further.
As has been said he was fairly optimistic about our transfer window. That we seem to have a 20k salary ceiling in place was news to me. A Premier league striker turned us down because of that. Critical of past, Lyle Taylor took a few pelters.
Final offer for Buchanan was £1.3 plus add ons and nowhere near enough.
Lovely anecdotes at the end about Eusebio and Mourinho, both huge Clough fans.
20k salary cap is interesting, maybe we'll actually finally sort our finances out. Our best chance of going up in a parachute payments world is surely running low wages and relying on a group of academy players to peak at the same time.
As for Taylor, I've not listened but if as said above he was holding back then sounds like Dane has had a word IMO (wildly speculating). Reigning him back in and getting his support should be seen as a big plus for the new regime, whilst perhaps it means we hear slightly less of the goings on, it implies there's less to tell! Fingers crossed
I didn't get any impression that Dane has had a word with him to be honest. He's still critical of Randall, in particular the none delivery of all of the positive things in his 'open letter' when EM took over from Fawaz. Critical too of the PR operation of the the clubs basically suggesting everything's rosy, and as has been said above, very critical of Vrentzos and the transfer business of the last 5 years. So far he sees Dane Murphy as a positive but I wonder how long it's going to take before he get the Taylor knifing.
Well the fact that he chose to not criticise any of his work and was generally positive about the parts he was involved in, comes across as implicit praise IMO. Suggests he wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt at the very least.
RE: Daniel Taylor - Salvatore Matrecano - 08-09-2021
Should clarify the “far too many” bit was my comment not DTs. The bit about Worrall was him.
I accept we have cleared some dead wood and reduced the wage bill now, but to answer your question from last season:
Jenkinson
Christie
Freeman
Sow
Knockaert
Arter
Murray
Taylor
Grabban
In addiotion on at least 15k from info that is out there
Bong
Hefele
Colback
Blackett
Krovinovic
Dawson
As I said these are last years figures and we are suffering for them now because it limits what we can spend with P&S and why for example we couldnt make a decent bid for Buchanan.
That we know have a wage cap and have shed many of the high earners who contribute little is a big posotove and I credit the club for the direction they seem to be taking.
RE: Daniel Taylor - Alf - 08-09-2021
Paraphrased key points for those who can't listen, a few of my thoughts alongside a few points.....
"There are positives to take out of the recent window. Modesto's role has now diminished. He & Vrentzos fingerprints were over the past few years, with far more misses than hits."
"The who's-who on the Forest website is well wide of the mark from who actually does what now."
"It's not a great situation when the main signing of the summer is the CEO"
"Why don't Forest want their fans to know what's going on behind the scenes? When I found out Dane Murphy was going to Forest we were told it was categorically untrue. It's a very impenetrable club in some ways. Which doesn't marry up with anything Randall & the club promised"
Drager wasn't forced on Dane. "The club have done their homework on him. Their analysis has lead them to believe he's an upgrade on Gabs"
"You can't waste millions as Vrentzos has done the past few years" Happy Dane is here to stop daft contracts going to players like Hef.
"We've a weird setup. No football manager would take over at a club and be expected to have to work in various capacities with the previous manager who failed, and isn't used to playing second fiddle to anyone. But that's what Dane is doing with Vrentzos."
"Vrentzos got involved with this windows transfers, and was ringing round players" (shock horror :lol:)
"Matty Longstaff wasn't ever remotely on our radar"
Excited by Ojeda
"One of the mysteries of this regime is how the experience running Oly hasn't counted for much."
"The club seems to have recognized that it's not the best MO to train players up for other sides"
"Had a small-name Prem striker on our radar early window, but he wanted too much money. Don't think Forest will pay players over 20k now. Seems to be a more rigid wage structure in place" (Personally I just wish we had some common sense here - Alf)
"Joe Worrall is on half the money Lyle Taylors on" - THIS is a massive bugbear of mine, and the real gripe behind recruitments BS. Not saying Joe should get loads more, but the disrespect which we treat our own with is crazy. The imbalance this causes amongst players should not be underestimated - Alf.
"Dane would have had his eyes opened when he got here. No structure there. Dane's trying to bring in some common sense."
"All the beeyatches want Alf's huge wang"*
"Nuno Da Costa was 2m, Diakhaby's loan fee wouldn't have been cheap, so even if Silva was agent lead at least it's a low cost risk at 200k"
"Vrentzos ran absolutely everything the past few years. I can't think of any other club which has a CEO and CEO Officer. I wouldn't want him over my shoulder. It's a strange setup. I think a lot of people around Dane hope that this situation settles down."
"If Hughton was sacked he'd be forgotten about by me very quickly. 3rd lowest goal scorers in entire football league last season. Can't think of a game which I've enjoyed of his. Which players has he improved? Look at Sabri with Cash. Who has Hughton done that for?"
"The club are not just sitting on their hands regards the managerial position. They are staying aware of alternatives"
"No joined up thinking at the club, and we're a bit of managerial wasteland. All we really do is look if they have promotion before, and go for them"
"Wilder just media fluff. Just a job advert peice"
"The open letter was mostly bollocks. I lapped it up. I feel a bit embarrassed for the first 18 months I believed it."
"What Gary Brazil has done is a miracles, especially when you look how far behind our facilities compared to the likes of Leicester and Derby".
"The new regime haven't kept many promises. Their facade has reeled in so many fans (gives Cat1 example as a propaganda piece, whilst pointing out the reality most clubs did those years ago, and just got on with it. It's just a standard thing)"
"EM's financial backing has been amazing. The people he's put in place and their decision making are the ones how have let him down"
"The PR there is off the scale and it reels fans in. The statement they released about Brazil was for a contract signed 5 months earlier."
"We're bottom of the league, we've signed crap and made agents rich"
"The Johnson fee which we were rumoured to be holding out for was supposedly a 12m package"
“Eusebio and Mourino loved Forest and Cloughie. Mourinho walked through the Meadows trying to get a vibe for Cloughie”
Reading it sounds harsher than he says it. He's very balanced on all points. I'd highly suggest giving it a listen.
*May not be true about Alf's wang
RE: Daniel Taylor - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 08-09-2021
We could have bid more for Buchanan SM but why would we when he's coming towards the end of his contract and he won't sign another one. Didn't we bid 4M for Maja? So that proves that we had the money to bid higher for Buchanan if we wanted to.