Sabri - Snap Poll 2

[Tricky]

Interesting to hear that the dressing room has gone - if he’s lost Dawson then things are really bad!

I never said he had lost the entire dressing room, I said he has lost a lot of it.............there's a difference!

[Paplane]

This is all a load of bollocks. Typical football fan talk when the team loses a few games.

Pap, this is not typical football fan talk. It came from a member of the club. As I said, I will not say who it came from, but it is not somebody on the fringes.

It is entirely up to you whether or not you decide to believe it or not, that is your choice. But if, in future, I hear of similar conversations taking place from reliable sources, then I will keep it to myself, so as it doesnt come across as a load of bollocks! Unless of course you KNOW different to what I have been told, rather than speculate.

Sorry Trickster, I wasnt implying that your info was crap, its just that when fans of any club turn on the manager, which they have done now in our case, then the inevitable 'lost the dressing room' accusation is wheeled out. I found your report encouraging if anything. If he had lost the dressing room there'd be reports of rebellion, confrontation, or malaise. I didnt read any of that.

Oh and btw, apparently Cocu has lost the sheep dressing room too.

[PsychoStanleyStone]

This is all a load of bollocks. Typical football fan talk when the team loses a few games.

Pap, this is not typical football fan talk. It came from a member of the club. As I said, I will not say who it came from, but it is not somebody on the fringes.

It is entirely up to you whether or not you decide to believe it or not, that is your choice. But if, in future, I hear of similar conversations taking place from reliable sources, then I will keep it to myself, so as it doesnt come across as a load of bollocks! Unless of course you KNOW different to what I have been told, rather than speculate.

Sorry Trickster, I wasnt implying that your info was crap, its just that when fans of any club turn on the manager, which they have done now in our case, then the inevitable 'lost the dressing room' accusation is wheeled out. I found your report encouraging if anything. If he had lost the dressing room there'd be reports of rebellion, confrontation, or malaise. I didnt read any of that.

Oh and btw, apparently Cocu has lost the sheep dressing room too.

i'm happy to accept we are a cursed club, a curfew club, a don't talk about anything vaguely relevant to the problem club, but, i will stick by any coach, however many losses, however many lost dressing rooms, however many players revolting, who can communicate with me, tell me a bit about what we are trying to achieve, what we have learned, or how insurmountable even a situation is, that sort of thing, having said all that they can give Sabri a 3 year extension for me, i'll watch the games and look for something positive, but i sort of default to body language and poor communication and this has been going on for a while, get everyone into a room and sort it out and then tell us it has been sorted out but something has been wrong for a while, it's not to disimilar to Karanka, he went despondant after a fine win, i don't know the answers, just accept we are cursed and enjoy what we can of it.

[ozzyten10]

I do expect a reaction this week. Too much experience and proven quality in arter, Christie, grabban, freeman, lolley and colback for there not to be. Also think McKenna has leadership qualities.
If those don’t turn up again then talk of losing the dressing room may have some credence

[Tricky]

This is all a load of bollocks. Typical football fan talk when the team loses a few games.

Pap, this is not typical football fan talk. It came from a member of the club. As I said, I will not say who it came from, but it is not somebody on the fringes.

It is entirely up to you whether or not you decide to believe it or not, that is your choice. But if, in future, I hear of similar conversations taking place from reliable sources, then I will keep it to myself, so as it doesnt come across as a load of bollocks! Unless of course you KNOW different to what I have been told, rather than speculate.

Sorry Trickster, I wasnt implying that your info was crap, its just that when fans of any club turn on the manager, which they have done now in our case, then the inevitable 'lost the dressing room' accusation is wheeled out. I found your report encouraging if anything. If he had lost the dressing room there'd be reports of rebellion, confrontation, or malaise. I didnt read any of that.

Oh and btw, apparently Cocu has lost the sheep dressing room too.

Thats ok Pap, I shouldn't have gone off on one. My apologies too mate!

[Redreg]

I want to know how a dressing room full of all those players cant sort this shit out on its own they have all played football before they are professional players and should be able to fix something that is not working on the pitch !!!

[ozzyten10]

We haven’t been pummelled yet.

[Reds73]

It’s when you lose the senior players you have a problem.

As long as Dawson, Grabban, Colback, Arter, Sow are with Sabri then they manage the dressing room

[Marinakis Red]

It did not look like they were on Friday night.

[PsychoStanleyStone]

We haven’t been pummelled yet.

i think the loss to Stoke was maybe a pummelling, whether by definition it was or wasn't I'm not sure, but in the bigger scheme of things it was far worse than a pummelling, factor in just not needing to lose or not lose by more than 2 and then the overall swing factor of 7, this is when the damage was done, it certainly felt like collossal damage at the time, factor in the previous Barnsley game, where technically it wasn't a pummelling but let a team do a good impression of pummelling us for 95 minutes before the ball crossed the line, but going back to Stoke with what was at stake, the manner of the defeat, orders to slow it down with half an hour to go

I think Sabri is very damaged and have since the final whistle of the Stoke game, the dressing room was damaged, and he did say himself that he didn't speak to anyone for 3 weeks afterwards

Having said all that, i can live with it but far easier to get over it if Sabri made sense of the mistakes, clarified a few things, vaguely got into some specifics

And having said all that and that and that, now is the worst possible timing, unless it is someone who can clearly see the problem(s) and solution(s)

Having said all that it's maybe not about losing a dressing room it is about repairing a shattered dressing room, the confidence in everyone and the coach and all things is broken, differant to losing a dressing room as others say, they are professionals but they aren't walking out onto the pitch as confident pro's with swagger, this is the problem imo

[Username]

I’m beginning to warm to the idea that he should be given at least two more games.

If we don’t come out of the break looking like one of the best teams in the division then he will have to go.

[Sabricadabra]

Ok....just been over to Nottm to visit my son, who happened to go round to someone who is well connected to the club's house this week and got chatting to him (I will not give the persons name for obvious reasons).

1. The person says most of the players know Sabri's days are numbered, but because the club spent so much on his signings, they are seeing if things can be turned around.
2. Sabri didnt make any contact with any player. at all, after the Stoke game until pre-season started.
3. A lot of the players are struggling to understand what he wants from them. He is not giving them enough explanation of things, leaving players not sure about things.
4. He has lost a lot of the dressing room, not all of it, but quite a few players no longer want to know.
5. The players are devastated at the start they have had so far this season.
6. Sabri not prepared to discuss alternative suggestions with players.

If the above statements are true, and I have absolutely no reason to believe otherwise, then I think it is safe to say I cannot see things turning around, despite my comments on my earlier post and can the club, in all seriousness, afford to give him any longer?

Those of you that know me on here will know that I do not put up gossip or idle bullshit. The above has been told to me by my son, who I trust totally by someone we all know through their connection to the club. If that person has been bullshitting my son, then I will view them in a totally different light from now on, but, in all fairness, I doubt the person is that way inclined.

I think 3) is the most concerning thing, if indeed true. It's frustrating for me because I can't understand what we're trying to achieve in order to get cohesive attacks with the players / formation he chooses, and I wish he'd help us understand. But if the players don't understand then its impossible.

Losing the dressing room is a big problem that must be addressed one way or another, but I don't like the way players can do that and force a coach out. I guess that's where the likes of Dourekas and all come in, helping feed to the hierarchy what's going on and who is at fault.

It's a sign of the times though, we've brought up a generation that need to be persuaded to do things. The respect for authority has declined, holding a position isn't enough, it will be questioned and has to be (continually) earnt more these days. Like it or not it's part of the job of managing a team of people.

What does losing the dressing room mean.

It means the players, or the majority including the key characters and leaders in the dressing room, have lost belief and maybe respect in him and his methods. They might not be consciously defying him but they have mentally stopped giving 100% effort for him.

It’s what happened to MON at the end of his time here. 

We could blame the players for their attitude, and we’d probably be right, but the fact is the coach is paid to get the best out of them and make the sum of the team greater than the sum of each individual. Once their faith in him has gone, he’s dead in the water. Once ‘the dressing room is lost’ it is game over. Bye bye coach.