Should Sabri Be Sacked Or Not?

[Uwantlee]

Sorry sniff... not all of us share your unwavering trust in all that the ownership do.

Now if you go back and read my post...

At no point did I say EM was at fault for our form.

I simply asked the question about where his priorities lie and how much does he know that's going on here.

My gripe was more aimed at those working in the club now. I simply cannot understand why sabri has been allowed to sign so many players... this tried and trusted method has worked so many times before. Why are the leadership allowing this. We finished 7th. At times last season we looked unbeatable. Do we need a whole new team???

I mean come on sniff... sabri is clearly to blame for the poor form, his selections and his training are now working. But if sabrinhas signed these players then someone has allowed him to and that is wrong. If wh had finished last season only just avoiding relegation then you could argue that the team isn't good enough and we need more players.

I get you think the sun shines out of the arse of those that run the club. without being offensive, you are starting to sound like someone else who had an unwavering support of the last ownership

No one is free of blame here for the current situation. Everyone involved with NFFC needs to step up. It's time that they started delivering.

So are you suggesting Sabri shouldn't have been allowed to sign any players? I'm confused.

Not sure it matters who the manager is, the majority have been proven championship players at a reasonable price. We've done way more business than most clubs and the squad looks noticeably stronger. Bring a winger in and thats a full house.

Sabri or whoever else is in charge of new signings has done a good job on paper at least. Particularly with the pandemic, imagine it'll take time to assimilate these new players with varying fitness levels. Although I think Taylor should be playing, he had the lockdown period off anyway so should be very fresh

Not at any point did I say no players. But for a team who finished 7th, and we all said it, 3 or 4 additions of quality would see us push forward... not 9 or 10 or 11 whatever it ends up being.

Also, yes we do have a strong squad. Still lost all 3 games this season without scoring. Still only won 3 in 18. Sabri is to blame for this. All inwas saying is that, I believe, the problem lies deeper than just sabri.

Not wanting EM out or anything like that as I think he has done wonders but.... those people working at the club.. I'm not sure about them. They need to be answerable too. The scouting of foreign players has not been great. Allowing the sheer number of signings IMO was not the correct way to address the squad that had our highest finish in a decade.

You implied Sabri shouldn't have been allowed to sign players, that either implies you think Sabri should've already been sacked last season or we should sign no-one.

I just feel like the club can't win with people like you. Team not good enough, ok sign new players. Too many from abroad, ok sign proven championship players. Oh wait but no you've signed too many. 

We had to replace cash and Watson so thats an extra two. Most are saying figs/ribeiro/lolley need to be rotated but you think we shouldn't because we're not allowed to buy more than 3 or 4 players?

Which signings have you disagreed with?

Woah... people like me. You mean someone who dares to have a differing opinion. 

Firstly I wasn’t sure if sabri should have been sacked at the end of last season. Yes form was poor but then so was January recruitment. I was ok with the club keeping him but wanted to seem an improvement in performances once we restarted. We have not seen this and now I think he should go. 

Second... yes the manager should be allowed to make signings but a whole teams worth on the back of what most people called a successful season. I agree we needed signings but just not so many. It can’t be good for moral in a team that was close to promotion. We also seem to have 2 sets of people signing players. 

You ask who I don’t agree with
Diallo- we have smith and shelvy already.
We now have 13 defenders eb,lb and cb Including 5rb. Now I think Christie is a good addition but not a necessary one with 4 others on our books. Yes I think figs needs a break but we also have daws, bena, hef who play this position. 
Fouad ... where is he, what was the point of signing him. 

Ultimately I think Colback, Christie, Taylor and freeman would have been enough. Especially for the style of football sabri plays.

Yes Lolley needs to recover so play Mighten. Maybe bring in a lw so possibly 5 signings max.

I am only saying that time and time again we have made numerous signings every summer and it hasn’t worked yet. For the first time in a decade we had a squad that looked like, with a few additions, could go on and make a genuine challenge for promotion. I just don’t understand the need for 9... and he has also said more to come. Stability doesn’t just come in the form of a manager.

[ozzyten10]

Maybe the problem is getting rid of players no longer needed.

[Uwantlee]

Look I don’t want to argue with anyone so I apologise if anything I have said has annoyed others. I have an opinion of the current state of our club that clearly others do not agree with so I will keep shut for a while and stay away.

Let’s hope for a better week!

[Username]

Maybe the problem is getting rid of players no longer needed.

That’s going to be a problem if you consistently bring in more than you ship out though. 

Especially when those incoming are barely better than those already in situ, and in some situations worse.

[Alf Garnett]

I never thought I would live to see the day when an owner and those around him at the club were criticised for backing a manager after the end of last season and then supporting that manager with the players that he feels he needs to make us better this season. Beyond strange.

How dare they back and support their manager!! Absolute disgrace!!

That is criminal.
EM out!

[wassy04]

Sorry sniff... not all of us share your unwavering trust in all that the ownership do.

Now if you go back and read my post...

At no point did I say EM was at fault for our form.

I simply asked the question about where his priorities lie and how much does he know that's going on here.

My gripe was more aimed at those working in the club now. I simply cannot understand why sabri has been allowed to sign so many players... this tried and trusted method has worked so many times before. Why are the leadership allowing this. We finished 7th. At times last season we looked unbeatable. Do we need a whole new team???

I mean come on sniff... sabri is clearly to blame for the poor form, his selections and his training are now working. But if sabrinhas signed these players then someone has allowed him to and that is wrong. If wh had finished last season only just avoiding relegation then you could argue that the team isn't good enough and we need more players.

I get you think the sun shines out of the arse of those that run the club. without being offensive, you are starting to sound like someone else who had an unwavering support of the last ownership

No one is free of blame here for the current situation. Everyone involved with NFFC needs to step up. It's time that they started delivering.

So are you suggesting Sabri shouldn't have been allowed to sign any players? I'm confused.

Not sure it matters who the manager is, the majority have been proven championship players at a reasonable price. We've done way more business than most clubs and the squad looks noticeably stronger. Bring a winger in and thats a full house.

Sabri or whoever else is in charge of new signings has done a good job on paper at least. Particularly with the pandemic, imagine it'll take time to assimilate these new players with varying fitness levels. Although I think Taylor should be playing, he had the lockdown period off anyway so should be very fresh

Not at any point did I say no players. But for a team who finished 7th, and we all said it, 3 or 4 additions of quality would see us push forward... not 9 or 10 or 11 whatever it ends up being.

Also, yes we do have a strong squad. Still lost all 3 games this season without scoring. Still only won 3 in 18. Sabri is to blame for this. All inwas saying is that, I believe, the problem lies deeper than just sabri.

Not wanting EM out or anything like that as I think he has done wonders but.... those people working at the club.. I'm not sure about them. They need to be answerable too. The scouting of foreign players has not been great. Allowing the sheer number of signings IMO was not the correct way to address the squad that had our highest finish in a decade.

You implied Sabri shouldn't have been allowed to sign players, that either implies you think Sabri should've already been sacked last season or we should sign no-one.

I just feel like the club can't win with people like you. Team not good enough, ok sign new players. Too many from abroad, ok sign proven championship players. Oh wait but no you've signed too many. 

We had to replace cash and Watson so thats an extra two. Most are saying figs/ribeiro/lolley need to be rotated but you think we shouldn't because we're not allowed to buy more than 3 or 4 players?

Which signings have you disagreed with?

Woah... people like me. You mean someone who dares to have a differing opinion. 

Firstly I wasn’t sure if sabri should have been sacked at the end of last season. Yes form was poor but then so was January recruitment. I was ok with the club keeping him but wanted to seem an improvement in performances once we restarted. We have not seen this and now I think he should go. 

Second... yes the manager should be allowed to make signings but a whole teams worth on the back of what most people called a successful season. I agree we needed signings but just not so many. It can’t be good for moral in a team that was close to promotion. We also seem to have 2 sets of people signing players. 

You ask who I don’t agree with
Diallo- we have smith and shelvy already.
We now have 13 defenders eb,lb and cb Including 5rb. Now I think Christie is a good addition but not a necessary one with 4 others on our books. Yes I think figs needs a break but we also have daws, bena, hef who play this position. 
Fouad ... where is he, what was the point of signing him. 

Ultimately I think Colback, Christie, Taylor and freeman would have been enough. Especially for the style of football sabri plays.

Yes Lolley needs to recover so play Mighten. Maybe bring in a lw so possibly 5 signings max.

I am only saying that time and time again we have made numerous signings every summer and it hasn’t worked yet. For the first time in a decade we had a squad that looked like, with a few additions, could go on and make a genuine challenge for promotion. I just don’t understand the need for 9... and he has also said more to come. Stability doesn’t just come in the form of a manager.

OK so your main criticisms are essentially the backups we've signed. Diallo, Guerrero, Blackett and the new CB Soh.

Firstly these are fringe signings, not going to make a huge difference but most agree we lacked depth last year. Diallo, not bothered on that one either way. Guerrero replaces Walker (who was out of contract and wanted to play), blackett replaces Bong (assuming you're happy with him as backup and never criticised that one). Assume you think Figs and Worrall is working then? Most agree the backups at CB have proven not good enough but you're happy with them?

Criticism for criticisms sake. You blamed Sabri's training earlier, I feel its unlikely you have been watching that.

[tugger2018]

Ithnk we need a new psychiatrist to sort their confidence out not a manager at least give Sabri 6 games
Maybe start playing Dawson with worall a bit to settle things down
Sabri himself seems shocked at what he sees once they step onto the pitch what can he do ?

[Tricky]

Ithnk we need a new psychiatrist to sort their confidence out not a manager at least give Sabri 6 games
Maybe start playing Dawson with worall a bit to settle things down
Sabri himself seems shocked at what he sees once they step onto the pitch what can he do ?

Stop keep picking the players letting the side down for a start Tugger. 

Both Figs and Grabban need resting. Is their confidence shot? Maybe, but if he keeps picking them week after week and the same problems are arising week after week i.e. out of position, poor defending costing us goals or squandering chances that would seem easier to score than miss, then the confidence is going to ebb further and further away, week after week.

He has the back up to start trying to solve these problems now. There are no excuses, unless of course the back up is worse than those he has rested, then his problem is why did we buy these players?

[ThePromisedLand]

For the first time in years we have a squad that is ( just about ) promotion material.
The buck therefore has to stop with Sabri.
The only question now is how patient the big man is prepared to be?

[TrickySte]

I think it's too early in a season to sack a manager.

However, performances have been dire for a long time, results have eventually followed. I have little faith in him turning it around.

I have doubts about the potential replacements and who the owners would target.

So, I'm pretty conflicted.

[Paplane]

I think it's too early in a season to sack a manager.

However, performances have been dire for a long time, results have eventually followed. I have little faith in him turning it around.

I have doubts about the potential replacements and who the owners would target.

So, I'm pretty conflicted.

I think all on here in favour of sticking with Sabri are conflicted mate as no one can not be concerned about the poor results and performances.

[PsychoStanleyStone]

it's sad but i've just had my fix of watching some great goals on match of the day

alot of high scoring games with great goals

football has to be about scoring goals

also young players being introduced into confident positive teams

as a product Forest is failing, i bought into the results, however much we rode our luck however much we cheated

we still seem a bit poisonous as well, the club will have to improve the PR and transparency and pro actively look to engage the fans and create a warmer family feel

It fills a spot, gives closure when a manager, post match is succinct, explains where it went right or wrong, Klopp is very likeable and eccentric, though to be fair he seems to just laugh off the defeats or negatives, but it's genuine and reassuring, i dunno, i just love and crave for good communication, i'd take that for now