Should Sabri Be Sacked Or Not?

[ac_vodka]

We`ve been signing players with Championship experience perhaps it`s time to follow that strategy with the coaching role.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

We`ve been signing players with Championship experience perhaps it`s time to follow that strategy with the coaching role.

To be honest mate I think we have tried just about everything and nothing has worked.

British managers, Foreign managers, managers with championship experience, managers without championship experience, old players, old club legends. You name it we have tried it and we always come up short.

[ThePromisedLand]

I think there is a clear divide starting to appear with the fans and I don’t think the problem is a dislike for sabri. In fact I think everyone likes him, as a man and as the manager who got us to 7th.

The problem, I think, lies deeper than just the manager. The ownership and leadership within the club doesn’t seem to be working.

I have no doubt that EM wants success for this club and in no way do I want him to go, but I would ask how he can be successful here without being here himself. He isn’t based here, he doesn’t see the day to day I can’t imagine running a club like this is easy at the best of times.

Then there are those employed by EM to work here and be his eyes and ears as well as running the club for him. What are they doing. We have now signed 9 players with more to come. Did we need that many. As many have said, we had our best finish in 10 years, surely 3 or 4 quality players would do it. We now have 5 right backs, 6 centre backs 5 cms with another coming in. If these are sabri choices who is letting him sign them all. Is no one asking the question about the need for all these players? A few will talk about being better than what we have... freeman and Christie fall in to that category I am not sure you can say that for the rest of them.

You also have to consider the rest of the squad. How must they feel with all these signings. We were so close to top 6 and promotion last season. It’s almost like sabri doesn’t trust them to do the job by signing so many.

The approach to signing players against seems to be off. We needed 3 or 4 (a rb to replace cash, a winger, a dcm and a atm) whilst trimming some unwanted players (Jenkinson, carv to name 2).

There is no noise coming from the club, no statements from the chairman or owner about moving forward, the clubs plans or anything. It is all very quiet.

Then we come to sabri. He had a great first 5 months, we thought we had found our gem, the guy to take us back. It has all come crashing down. Stick or twist... I have made my thoughts clear but fans are divided. Some see the 7th place as a good thing... me, I see it as failure after being top at one point 3rd in January. What about the run of 3 wins in 18. Many have been sacked for less. If this was a blip it would be done. If it were just the end of last season then ok... finish 7th, learn from mistakes and push on. But it has continued in to this season.

Some will point to today’s game and talk about the much improved 2nd half. Did we score a goal? It doesn’t matter how well we played we didn’t score again and from 2 nil down we needed to. Some on here talk about the club sacking the managers over and over and the outcomes are all the same... well that is what sabri is doing. Applying the same tactic over and over and expecting different results. Surely he can see his 4321 isn’t working and hasn’t for a long time. It’s time to stop. Change it or lose your job.

Then the players... grabban, Yates, figs... what have these players done to merit a place every week. Yates was OK today but is not good enough for the club to be where it wants. Grabban is out of form and is not a captain. Figs is mistake after mistake yet these players keep their place.

I want him to fix this. I want sabri to get it right and keep his job. At the same time I think he has had more than enough time to get it right. He keeps saying in interviews the players need to do more. This is his job. How many times can he say the same thing.... sabri fix it or go.

I find the whole situation so frustrating and annoying and we all want this club to be successful. Personally I don’t think we will with the current manager but also the people in the club running it. For me EM needs to take a good look at what is happening in the club.

I have to say I broadly agree with all of this.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I think some people are thinking too much and over analysing and coming up with daft conspiracy theories.

Just my opinion and no disrespect intended.

[ThePromisedLand]

What conspiracy theory would that be Sniff?

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

What conspiracy theory would that be Sniff?

The club not being run properley because EM doesn't spend all his time in Nottingham.

Interference because Carvalho didn't train with the squad before the QPR game.

Too many cooks in the kitchen at the top end off the pitch etc etc.

All a load of rubbish.

[Plymouth red]

I'm not sure why people are seeking to blame recruitment. My own view is that recruitment has been good this summer and has gone a good way to cover up the problems of January and last season.

The problem I see is twofold.

1) too many of the players from last season have returned in absolutely no form. Our key players like Lolley and Grabban have been torrid since the restart. Lolley was only sporadic last season but this season he just has not got going. At the back, Figs and Worrall have struggled. Figs in particular has been too error prone.

The new players coming in therefore have not had the luxury of slotting into stable foundations and therefore it is the equivalent of building a team from scratch

2) the other problem appears morale. It is clear this team and manager has not got over the end of last season. Whether they can remains to be seen. They seem scared when they go out on the pitch and against QPR and Cardiff look afraid to play attacking football. Only when they are behind or the game is lost do they become more attacking. Whether this is the managers instructions or whether it is the players I do not know. Something has to change. Whether that's starting more of the newbies by giving Grabban, Lolley, figs et Al a rest or whether we simply need to accept the Sabri has lost the dressing room - I don't know.

We can look back to last season - at this stage we had 1 point more than we have now. We can also see from Brentford who struggled for the first ten games of last year before hitting form - or we can look at teams like Stoke and Huddersfield who started slowly and never recovered (both ended up changing managers)

Just as an equivalent - the season after our play off defeat to Yeovil - something that has a passing resemblance to our collapse last season) we also started slowly with no wins in the first four and barely any goals. We did end up getting promoted though that year

[ozzyten10]

Martin O’Neill “ "But at Sunderland and Forest, I was absolutely not in charge because other people wanted to run the clubs."

[Tricky]

Martin O’Neill “ "But at Sunderland and Forest, I was absolutely not in charge because other people wanted to run the clubs."

Karanka spat his dummy out of the pram for similar too if I recall!

[ThePromisedLand]

What conspiracy theory would that be Sniff?

The club not being run properley because EM doesn't spend all his time in Nottingham.

Interference because Carvalho didn't train with the squad before the QPR game.

Too many cooks in the kitchen at the top end off the pitch etc etc.

All a load of rubbish.

Well the supposed ‘interference’ could be classed as a conspiracy - but not the others...

[ozzyten10]

Carvalho:
When asked how he saw Carvalho’s future, Lamouchi tells The Athletic: “This is for the club to think about but we know the situation. When we finish the game without certain kinds of players, we can think about this.” Asked if he had not been training with the first team, Lamouchi confirmed: “Yes, that is just an internal club decision.”

[ozzyten10]

Maybe it’s my perception sniffer but it does come from attributed reports.