Glass Half Full Or Half Empty

[Sabricadabra]

When I think of the critics Davies, Aitor, Warburton and MoN had...

I recall our bottle being better under those managers.  And our possession. 

Ironically, two of those managers won their games.

Still.  Another 9 games we should see some progress in terms of the team's 7 new signings bedding in (and whoever else they bring in...a winger and a ball playing CM god willing...)

SA.

Davies is the only one of those with a better record than Sabri. 


Aitor may have done as well if he’d stayed.
Warburton was hopeless. We lost 50% of our matches under him. One of the worst managers we’ve ever had. In no sense did we have more bottle when he was here. 
MON was a non event, but results weren’t great.

[Strawberry Avenger]

When I think of the critics Davies, Aitor, Warburton and MoN had...

I recall our bottle being better under those managers.  And our possession. 

Ironically, two of those managers won their games.

Still.  Another 9 games we should see some progress in terms of the team's 7 new signings bedding in (and whoever else they bring in...a winger and a ball playing CM god willing...)

SA.

Davies is the only one of those with a better record than Sabri. 


Aitor may have done as well if he’d stayed.
Warburton was hopeless. We lost 50% of our matches under him. One of the worst managers we’ve ever had. In no sense did we have more bottle when he was here. 
MON was a non event, but results weren’t great.

Davies was more combative and 'cuter' in preparation than Sabri.

If Sow hadn't been fit in the two 'surges into the top 6' then Forest would have been no where near top 6.

Aitor would have done well.

MoN didn't get the time Sabri had.  Brought in half way through a season, Aitor wasn't great either.  Remember how bad those results were?  Not a great time to bring in and get players ticking after they've lost 'their' manager.  But he was decent tactically.  Took the time to get to know players.  And played those who wanted it.  And put those who had 'a problem' on ball watching duty.  He had little time.  But only finished two players below 'The Coach.'  I liked his combative football.  It was transitional.  But what do we expect without a pre-season and bringing in your own players.

Warburton.  Nice tippy happy tappy football.  Not very street wise or tight at the back.  Warburton still beat 'The Coach' yesterday, though.  And with many of the key players gone.  More positive than 'The Coach' too.

SA.

[Sabricadabra]

When I think of the critics Davies, Aitor, Warburton and MoN had...

I recall our bottle being better under those managers.  And our possession. 

Ironically, two of those managers won their games.

Still.  Another 9 games we should see some progress in terms of the team's 7 new signings bedding in (and whoever else they bring in...a winger and a ball playing CM god willing...)

SA.

Davies is the only one of those with a better record than Sabri. 


Aitor may have done as well if he’d stayed.
Warburton was hopeless. We lost 50% of our matches under him. One of the worst managers we’ve ever had. In no sense did we have more bottle when he was here. 
MON was a non event, but results weren’t great.

Davies was more combative and 'cuter' in preparation than Sabri.

If Sow hadn't been fit in the two 'surges into the top 6' then Forest would have been no where near top 6.

Aitor would have done well.

MoN didn't get the time Sabri had.  Brought in half way through a season, Aitor wasn't great either.  Remember how bad those results were?  Not a great time to bring in and get players ticking after they've lost 'their' manager.  But he was decent tactically.  Took the time to get to know players.  And played those who wanted it.  And put those who had 'a problem' on ball watching duty.  He had little time.  But only finished two players below 'The Coach.'  I liked his combative football.  It was transitional.  But what do we expect without a pre-season and bringing in your own players.

Warburton.  Nice tippy happy tappy football.  Not very street wise or tight at the back.  Warburton still beat 'The Coach' yesterday, though.  And with many of the key players gone.  More positive than 'The Coach' too.

SA.

One off games tell us very little. Where did qpr finish in the league last season?

We were 7th when Aitor left. Your memory is playing tricks on you if you remember “how bad those results were”.

I felt MON didn’t fit the EM model. It was an odd appointment, and he failed to improve on Aitor’s work and get us up a place and into the play offs. In the end he was fine as a stop gap.



I really hope the next coach is in a similar mould to Sabri. The last thing we need is a man with a very different approach who won’t want to use the existing squad and instead will want his own players. We are crying out for some continuity.

[Marinakis Red]

I think the existing squad is and has the quality to play a far more expansive brand of football. A lot of managers would love our current squad.

[Sabricadabra]

Should have got Karanka back before he went to Birmingham.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

It wasn't Marco Silva. Silva quit his job at Olympiakos and he won the league.

What's Marco Silva's 'style of play' as a manager?

Winning football by the sounds of it...

SA.

For the record Marco Silva's preferred formation or style as some like to call it is the same as Sabri's. 4231.

Anyway I don't like discussing managers when we already have one.

[Shawoddyred]

I think the existing squad is and has the quality to play a far more expansive brand of football. A lot of managers would love our current squad.

I agree

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I think the existing squad is and has the quality to play a far more expansive brand of football. A lot of managers would love our current squad.

I agree

A lot of squads would like our manager too.

And before anybody starts, no I am not happy with how things are going right now.

[Uwantlee]

Blaming the style of play is wide of the mark.
If it’s merely a case of attacking teams more why have we had 21 years outside the top league?
Why didn’t the other managers realise that all you need to do is attack teams and the results follow?
How did Sabri achieve our 4th best finish in those 21 years?
Why haven’t the other managers, who presumably played the ‘correct’ style of football done as well as Sabri?

It isn’t that simple.

The ‘style of play’ is one of those excuses which fans use to justify wanting rid of a manager.
Sabri - too defensive
MoN - too hoofball and outdated
Karanka - too much boring possession
Warburton - too gung ho and naive
Etc etc

None of them were sacked because of their style of play. Results are everything.
If Sabri is replaced it will be because of results, not style of play.

This is one of the funniest things I have read in a while.

Of course it is the style of play. 

The bigger issue is that it is our only style of play.

Teams know how to play against us and we don’t have an alternative.

This is down to the manager. 

Our style of play was working for a while. Problem is teams found a way of bettering it and we have no reply. Do we have a better team than Barnsley and qpr.... yes. Therefore it is the set up and style of play that is the issue. We have to have alternative so teams don’t know how we will play.

Last season we were better that Millwall, Barnsley, Stoke and Charlton to name a few yet they still made us look very poor.

Keep believing that sabri is great though maybe everything will be ok

[Uwantlee]

I think the existing squad is and has the quality to play a far more expansive brand of football. A lot of managers would love our current squad.

I agree

A lot of squads would like our manager too.

And before anybody starts, no I am not happy with how things are going right now.

Really... you think Barnsley, qpr, Millwall would want him with our displays 

I certainly wouldn’t want him on current form (current form goes back to January by the way)

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I think the existing squad is and has the quality to play a far more expansive brand of football. A lot of managers would love our current squad.

I agree

A lot of squads would like our manager too.

And before anybody starts, no I am not happy with how things are going right now.

Really... you think Barnsley, qpr, Millwall would want him with our displays 

I certainly wouldn’t want him on current form (current form goes back to January by the way)

What do you think that Sabri won't get another job?

Of course he will and probably at a better and bigger club than us.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

And we made Leeds Brentford and Fulham look pretty ordinary last season ourselves. So does that mean those teams are crap? Thats why the Championship is a great league.
When Sabri’s tactics work well its great to watch and we unpick sides that on paper look much stronger than our own. I am the first to say though that doesnt happen often enough and we often look clueless about breaking teams down that dont come at us.

There was a brilliant quote from Danny Taylor in the summer along the lines of how opposition managers have often marvelled at the way we set up under Sabri. That means something. But yes he needs to rediscover that method fast.