Glass Half Full Or Half Empty

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Looking at the bigger picture my glass is still half full.

I believe we have a good squad, almost a very good squad. Also off the pitch the club is in good health and good hands compared to the not too distant past.

I will not deny it though, the manager is struggling and he needs to turn things around quickly. If he's lost the dreesing room or if some of the so called bigger named players are not on board with Sabri anymore then we have a problem and a decision to make.

Sniff, who's decided the players the players arent on board? If one of our chances goes in yesterday we're coming away with a point away on opening day and thinking hob well done. This negative talk after one day is corrosive.

Nobody Pap. I said IF.

[Marinakis Red]

Looking at the bigger picture my glass is still half full.

I believe we have a good squad, almost a very good squad. Also off the pitch the club is in good health and good hands compared to the not too distant past.

I will not deny it though, the manager is struggling and he needs to turn things around quickly. If he's lost the dreesing room or if some of the so called bigger named players are not on board with Sabri anymore then we have a problem and a decision to make.

Sniff, who's decided the players the players arent on board? If one of our chances goes in yesterday we're coming away with a point away on opening day and thinking hob well done. This negative talk after one day is corrosive.

I do not get this one day thing at all pap, we know it is not one day, drastically wrong since Leeds at home, and the team he picked for Charlton straight after it, this slump is not one day. The slump is pretty much over 20 games that nearly accumulates half a season, the points amassed in that time puts us in deep waters. 

We have to be more ambitious and positive on the pitch, the players do not look like they are enjoying there football, the body language yesterday was not great at all, another concerning point on the opening day. 

Lee Westwood summed up forest brilliantly on Twitter, I could not of written it better myself and exactly what I have been saying for months now. 

Sabri clearly will not change or has no intention of changing in his first 2 selections this season, no goals and 2 losses served with dreadful football and lack of ideas in the attacking third. We have no spark at all.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

I remain on the fence as I was yesterday but think some of the over reaction, not on here but social media in general is wearily predictable. This thread started with most people agreeing the thing we were most positive about was starting the season with the same manager as last. Now a sizeable number want to chuck that out after one game. I dont get where the lost the dressing room notion has come from either if that is something that even happens in football.

However its not all rosy which is why I wasn't convinced to begin with. I dont think there has been a slump. Since Feb as you and others say KR, he has played mostly the same way, just before then we were getting away with results. When Sabri’s system works we say beautiful counter attacking football. But all too often it has been last ditch defending followed by a punt to Cash/Lolley/Ameobi who created a goal out of nothing that scraped us a point. Think we need to control the ball far better in posession and learn how to boss a game again. Sabri’s system also relies heavily on pace on the break which is something the summer recruitment hasnt addressed.

I will never call for his head because I don’t think a managerial change solves anything but that results do need to improve quickly to appease our owner is pretty obvious.

[Sabricadabra]

One win will change everything. The proverbial scrappy 1-0 with a goal off someone’s backside. Then the player’s confidence will return.

[Marinakis Red]

I remain on the fence as I was yesterday but think some of the over reaction, not on here but social media in general is wearily predictable. This thread started with most people agreeing the thing we were most positive about was starting the season with the same manager as last. Now a sizeable number want to chuck that out after one game. I dont get where the lost the dressing room notion has come from either if that is something that even happens in football.

However its not all rosy which is why I wasn't convinced to begin with. I dont think there has been a slump. Since Feb as you and others say KR, he has played mostly the same way, just before then we were getting away with results. When Sabri’s system works we say beautiful counter attacking football. But all too often it has been last ditch defending followed by a punt to Cash/Lolley/Ameobi who created a goal out of nothing that scraped us a point. Think we need to control the ball far better in posession and learn how to boss a game again. Sabri’s system also relies heavily on pace on the break which is something the summer recruitment hasnt addressed.

I will never call for his head because I don’t think a managerial change solves anything but that results do need to improve quickly to appease our owner is pretty obvious.

It depends on what you quantify as a slump SM, in the 31 games after Leeds we had amassed 54 points in 31 games scoring 43 and conceding 31, PPG 1.72 and in the 17 league and cup games since we have amassed 16 points scoring less than a goal a game in 15 goals and conceding 23 PPG exactly 1, That to me suggests a big slump in form not only in points gained, goals scored and goals conceded. 

That is very difficult to gloss up. 1 PPG gets you relegated.

[Jacksbadhobbits]

I remain on the fence as I was yesterday but think some of the over reaction, not on here but social media in general is wearily predictable. This thread started with most people agreeing the thing we were most positive about was starting the season with the same manager as last. Now a sizeable number want to chuck that out after one game. I dont get where the lost the dressing room notion has come from either if that is something that even happens in football.

However its not all rosy which is why I wasn't convinced to begin with. I dont think there has been a slump. Since Feb as you and others say KR, he has played mostly the same way, just before then we were getting away with results. When Sabri’s system works we say beautiful counter attacking football. But all too often it has been last ditch defending followed by a punt to Cash/Lolley/Ameobi who created a goal out of nothing that scraped us a point. Think we need to control the ball far better in posession and learn how to boss a game again. Sabri’s system also relies heavily on pace on the break which is something the summer recruitment hasnt addressed.

I will never call for his head because I don’t think a managerial change solves anything but that results do need to improve quickly to appease our owner is pretty obvious.

It depends on what you quantify as a slump SM, in the 31 games after Leeds we had amassed 54 points in 31 games scoring 43 and conceding 31, PPG 1.72 and in the 17 league and cup games since we have amassed 16 points scoring less than a goal a game in 15 goals and conceding 23 PPG exactly 1, That to me suggests a big slump in form not only in points gained, goals scored and goals conceded. 

That is very difficult to gloss up. 1 PPG gets you relegated.

After one league game this season does that run of form which was interrupted by 3 months enforced lay off, equate to ripping everything up sacking the manager and starting again. We have tried that quite a few times and I don't remember it working

[Sabricadabra]

The problem with including last season in the analysis is Sabri met with EM after the disastrous season end. They discussed what had gone wrong, what needed to change, and a plan for the way forward. EM doesn’t strike me as a man who, after clear the air talks where a decision was arrived at, suddenly changes his mind because he’s still holding on to resentment which he should have aired in the clear the air talks.

A line was drawn in August. Sabri could have been sacked, but he was backed with the new signings he wanted instead. He will be given less time than a new man, and a run of defeats won’t be acceptable, but he will be given time. Otherwise EM will look like a weak and erratic leader.

[Marinakis Red]

I remain on the fence as I was yesterday but think some of the over reaction, not on here but social media in general is wearily predictable. This thread started with most people agreeing the thing we were most positive about was starting the season with the same manager as last. Now a sizeable number want to chuck that out after one game. I dont get where the lost the dressing room notion has come from either if that is something that even happens in football.

However its not all rosy which is why I wasn't convinced to begin with. I dont think there has been a slump. Since Feb as you and others say KR, he has played mostly the same way, just before then we were getting away with results. When Sabri’s system works we say beautiful counter attacking football. But all too often it has been last ditch defending followed by a punt to Cash/Lolley/Ameobi who created a goal out of nothing that scraped us a point. Think we need to control the ball far better in posession and learn how to boss a game again. Sabri’s system also relies heavily on pace on the break which is something the summer recruitment hasnt addressed.

I will never call for his head because I don’t think a managerial change solves anything but that results do need to improve quickly to appease our owner is pretty obvious.

It depends on what you quantify as a slump SM, in the 31 games after Leeds we had amassed 54 points in 31 games scoring 43 and conceding 31, PPG 1.72 and in the 17 league and cup games since we have amassed 16 points scoring less than a goal a game in 15 goals and conceding 23 PPG exactly 1, That to me suggests a big slump in form not only in points gained, goals scored and goals conceded. 

That is very difficult to gloss up. 1 PPG gets you relegated.

After one league game this season does that run of form which was interrupted by 3 months enforced lay off, equate to ripping everything up sacking the manager and starting again. We have tried that quite a few times and I don't remember it working

They are the facts, pre lay off after Leeds we were very poor, the last game we were tonked at home to Millwall, the facts are the facts which ever way you read them. That is Sabri's current results, post lockdown we have been terrible and that includes 10 league games with a small gap in the middle, we score 1 goal in the mini pre season also if you want to chuck those in too. 

Sabri hasn't changed tactics in the first 2 games that I can see, you concede the ball to the opposition gives them far more opportunity to score goals and gives us far less opportunity to create. Those statistics concur with that. Adapted approach required that shows us that we can keep the football, you cannot concede when you have the ball.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

The problem with including last season in the analysis is Sabri met with EM after the disastrous season end. They discussed what had gone wrong, what needed to change, and a plan for the way forward. EM doesn’t strike me as a man who, after clear the air talks where a decision was arrived at, suddenly changes his mind because he’s still holding on to resentment which he should have aired in the clear the air talks.

A line was drawn in August. Sabri could have been sacked, but he was backed with the new signings he wanted instead. He will be given less time than a new man, and a run of defeats won’t be acceptable, but he will be given time. Otherwise EM will look like a weak and erratic leader.

Except that EM has form for this sort of thing when its not working. Oscar Garcia lasted for 12 games and 2 months at Oly before Martins took over. A couple years before him Marco Silva memorably lasted for all of 2 matches before the big guy pulled the trigger.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

It wasn't Marco Silva. Silva quit his job at Olympiakos and he won the league.

[Marinakis Red]

It wasn't Marco Silva. Silva quit his job at Olympiakos and he won the league.

That Marco Silva is available as well sniff.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

It wasn't Marco Silva. Silva quit his job at Olympiakos and he won the league.

That Marco Silva is available as well sniff.

Yep.