Goals Creativity & Style Of Play

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Fair enough KR, I respect your opinion.

My glasses are not rose tinted. If after 7/8 league games nothing has changed to what we witnessed at the end of last season then I will be on the managers back too.

However for the majority of last season most on here including yourself were very happy with how things were going. There was even talk on here about us being top 2. Most were up in arms when Sabri wasn't given a new contract earlier than when he was.

Now we have lost a few and put in some poor performances and all the above seems to have been forgotten.

All teams have good form and bad form. All I am saying is lets hang on a bit at least until the season has started and we have played 7/8 league games before we all start slashing our wrists. And one other thing, people were crying out for a bit of stability and continuity when we were sacking managers left right and centre, well now you have it.

[GaribaldiRED]

Not being funny here KR but if you are looking for all out entertainment then you should perhaps go to the theatre or something. Football is a results business and it's all about 3 points.

I thought Brentford away was a superb performance, a tactical masterclass, a complete football performance.

I watch a lot of football that I'm entertained by sniff just unfortunately not from the team I support and spend my hard earned money on to watch them home and away. 

But thanks for pointing that out. Like I've said before far are too happy for mediocre, my personal traits are always strive for better, grab the bull by the horns and make things happen for yourself, rather than sit and wait and hope it happens. 

If you like time wasting anti football as it is called that is your preference it certainly does not make for entertainment, and certainly did not achieve the objectives. 

Honest question and honest answer without the rose tinted glasses on, what is your opinion on the fact we finished 3rd bottom on the shots on target statistics from last season? Do you honestly think that style will get you promoted out of this league when statistically through out the championship the goals scored column gets you out of this league?

So based on that reasoning only all attack possession based football will bring you success. Sorry KA, but that is just not the case. For one who claims to watch a lot of football I'm surprised that you don't seem to appreciate good defending and neither acknowledge the importance of being able to master it.

[wassy04]

I'm not even slightly bothered about losing yesterday. Was a glorified friendly and he put out half a team, probably with the hope we'd be knocked out. Hence gabriel over jenkinson, which was odd given gabriel is surely 4th choice.

I liked our strategy last year, would be happy to maintain it with a view to being more expansive against the weaker sides at home. That seems to be Sabri's plan too looking at the taylor and guerrero signings.

Was a bit surprised we didn't see that rumoured change in shape from the start given its felt like we've been trying to sign players to fit a different shape.

[Sabricadabra]

I also understand the impact the end of the season had on confidence in the coach. If we continue the 3 points from 6 form then Sabri will be out pretty quickly. Likewise, if we aren’t in the top six at Christmas he will be out. He won’t get another reprieve.

[the jock]

I remember one year we beat Coventry about 9-0 preseason and went on to have a terrible season

However, it feels like not much is changing after a very concerning 2nd half of last season.

Still not scoring/creating

[Marinakis Red]

Not being funny here KR but if you are looking for all out entertainment then you should perhaps go to the theatre or something. Football is a results business and it's all about 3 points.

I thought Brentford away was a superb performance, a tactical masterclass, a complete football performance.

I watch a lot of football that I'm entertained by sniff just unfortunately not from the team I support and spend my hard earned money on to watch them home and away. 

But thanks for pointing that out. Like I've said before far are too happy for mediocre, my personal traits are always strive for better, grab the bull by the horns and make things happen for yourself, rather than sit and wait and hope it happens. 

If you like time wasting anti football as it is called that is your preference it certainly does not make for entertainment, and certainly did not achieve the objectives. 

Honest question and honest answer without the rose tinted glasses on, what is your opinion on the fact we finished 3rd bottom on the shots on target statistics from last season? Do you honestly think that style will get you promoted out of this league when statistically through out the championship the goals scored column gets you out of this league?

So based on that reasoning only all attack possession based football will bring you success. Sorry KA, but that is just not the case. For one who claims to watch a lot of football I'm surprised that you don't seem to appreciate good defending and neither acknowledge the importance of being able to master it.

I'm basing it on the facts of the championship, do a bit of research gari if you have half an hour, I'll send you the link to the statistical data of the championship over the course of the last 20 years if you wish for you to mull over. 

It definitely shows the teams with a more attacking nature of play have more success in this league, there is an art to defending and quality in it can be admired, I certainly did under Davies part 1 in recent times. 

I've never said that I want a gung ho approach, if you read all of my posts it talks about mentality and having a more positive mentality, we have a very negative mentality, and I do not believe that gets the best out of the players at our disposal, and I'm sure it has an affect on our forwards confidence levels. 

Ideally I'd just like us to play 10 yards further up the pitch, and play with more freedom and actually take the game to teams and dominate a football game or 2 so were not sat biting our nails game in game out from 70 minutes. Not by sitting in game in game out with 3 defensive midfielders who pretty much have no technical ability at all to actually give us the quality to play on the counter attack.

[Marinakis Red]

Fair enough KR, I respect your opinion.

My glasses are not rose tinted. If after 7/8 league games nothing has changed to what we witnessed at the end of last season then I will be on the managers back too.

However for the majority of last season most on here including yourself were very happy with how things were going. There was even talk on here about us being top 2. Most were up in arms when Sabri wasn't given a new contract earlier than when he was.

Now we have lost a few and put in some poor performances and all the above seems to have been forgotten.

All teams have good form and bad form. All I am saying is lets hang on a bit at least until the season has started and we have played 7/8 league games before we all start slashing our wrists. And one other thing, people were crying out for a bit of stability and continuity when we were sacking managers left right and centre, well now you have it.

Since January sniff we have been absolutely awful. Bottom of the form table in every aspect. That needs a change of mentality and approach, as it is not working. Let's hope we see that change come Saturday, we did not see it yesterday. Our midfield was deeper than the titanic.

[Uwantlee]

Why should he change? We over achieved last season with our best finish for 10 years.

I agree we need better use of possession than in this match.

There needs to be a change in mentality. Counter attacking football is ok and it worked (to a degree) before lockdown last season. Has it worked since... no. Did it work yesterday... no. Ok we won’t win every game but we didn’t look like winning yesterday and haven’t looked like winning for a long time.

When we do attack it looks like we have no idea how to break down opposition and it has looked like this for a while. And why, when we do score, do we sit off and protect the lead.

Again... I like sabri and I want him to do well but I can not see him lasting if something doesn’t change. For me, if after the next 2 games the performances are the same as the last few months then it will spell the end of his time. We simply can not keep performing the way we have been and, on yesterday’s display, nothing was learnt from last season.

You may think this is an overreaction and yesterday was not important. But for me it was the most important game, giving a chance to show we had grown and developed and moved on from the stoke game. We haven’t. Winning breeds confidence and is a good habit.

[PsychoStanleyStone]

Back in 1980 Alan Durban then Stoke manager when questioned about his teams negative play Came out with the famous line “If you want entertainment go and watch a bunch of clowns.” He was rightly ridiculed for that and it stands true today, you dont get promoted by playing negative football.

If you want entertainment go and watch a bunch of clowns. Durban inherited a struggling squad and relegation was avoided in the final match of the season. After leaving Sunderland he managed  in the Northern League for a short spell.

Well done Salvatore, convincing historical masterclass there my friend, you won me over, I'm in, Paint Dry it is, let's rock n roll.

[wassy04]

Not being funny here KR but if you are looking for all out entertainment then you should perhaps go to the theatre or something. Football is a results business and it's all about 3 points.

I thought Brentford away was a superb performance, a tactical masterclass, a complete football performance.

I watch a lot of football that I'm entertained by sniff just unfortunately not from the team I support and spend my hard earned money on to watch them home and away. 

But thanks for pointing that out. Like I've said before far are too happy for mediocre, my personal traits are always strive for better, grab the bull by the horns and make things happen for yourself, rather than sit and wait and hope it happens. 

If you like time wasting anti football as it is called that is your preference it certainly does not make for entertainment, and certainly did not achieve the objectives. 

Honest question and honest answer without the rose tinted glasses on, what is your opinion on the fact we finished 3rd bottom on the shots on target statistics from last season? Do you honestly think that style will get you promoted out of this league when statistically through out the championship the goals scored column gets you out of this league?

So based on that reasoning only all attack possession based football will bring you success. Sorry KA, but that is just not the case. For one who claims to watch a lot of football I'm surprised that you don't seem to appreciate good defending and neither acknowledge the importance of being able to master it.

I'm basing it on the facts of the championship, do a bit of research gari if you have half an hour, I'll send you the link to the statistical data of the championship over the course of the last 20 years if you wish for you to mull over. 

It definitely shows the teams with a more attacking nature of play have more success in this league, there is an art to defending and quality in it can be admired, I certainly did under Davies part 1 in recent times. 

I've never said that I want a gung ho approach, if you read all of my posts it talks about mentality and having a more positive mentality, we have a very negative mentality, and I do not believe that gets the best out of the players at our disposal, and I'm sure it has an affect on our forwards confidence levels. 

Ideally I'd just like us to play 10 yards further up the pitch, and play with more freedom and actually take the game to teams and dominate a football game or 2 so were not sat biting our nails game in game out from 70 minutes. Not by sitting in game in game out with 3 defensive midfielders who pretty much have no technical ability at all to actually give us the quality to play on the counter attack.

Would be interested to see these stats?

[Sabricadabra]

Me too. In the past 10 years the teams with the best defence have, on average, been the teams who got promoted.

[Sabricadabra]

Why should he change? We over achieved last season with our best finish for 10 years.

I agree we need better use of possession than in this match.

There needs to be a change in mentality. Counter attacking football is ok and it worked (to a degree) before lockdown last season. Has it worked since... no. Did it work yesterday... no. Ok we won’t win every game but we didn’t look like winning yesterday and haven’t looked like winning for a long time.

When we do attack it looks like we have no idea how to break down opposition and it has looked like this for a while. And why, when we do score, do we sit off and protect the lead.

Again... I like sabri and I want him to do well but I can not see him lasting if something doesn’t change. For me, if after the next 2 games the performances are the same as the last few months then it will spell the end of his time. We simply can not keep performing the way we have been and, on yesterday’s display, nothing was learnt from last season.

You may think this is an overreaction and yesterday was not important. But for me it was the most important game, giving a chance to show we had grown and developed and moved on from the stoke game. We haven’t. Winning breeds confidence and is a good habit.

Yesterday was the least important game of the season. Next weekend is the start of the season and the opportunity to show we are over the Stoke game.

I agree something needs to change, but not his approach, which is fine. Although the season end was poor, a 7th place finish is better than we’ve managed for a decade and is above par for a club with a mid table wage bill. 

I agree the level of performance needs to be much better than yesterday, but we did have a number of new or inexperienced players making their debuts, plus a few key players who were missing. Cup games for Championship clubs are often characterised by disjointed performances due to multiple changes and the lack of importance relative to the league.

What needs to change most is Sabri’s ability to be able to change personnel within matches and to be able to rotate players between matches without the big drop off in quality we witnessed last season. As it stands we’ve lost Cash and Watson and added some genuine proven quality for this level, and a few sensible signings within budget. Nffc is haemorrhaging money whilst the CG is closed, and so a cash strapped club like ourselves has to cut our cloth accordingly, but with fewer goals on the conceded column and a few more on the scored column, we will be right up there and hopefully make the top six this time.