Our Track Record In The Loan Market

[Paplane]

The loans we got this summer we might as well of just promoted u23s. No way semedo or Bostock are better than bridcutt and yacob

Semedo has something, that's for sure. He was just beginning to look settled and up to speed before he was 'injured'. I have no idea if Bostock is any good. I seems Sabri thinks not.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

There are 33 players there over 5 years
Of those arguably, Oliveira, Colback, Dowell did well with Figueredo and Pants signed on deals.
Gardner and Janko were OK, Tomlin flattered to deceive.

So being fairly generous thats 8 out of 33 that were reasonably successful, the rest as per Duncan’s comment above.

[Username]

I’m not sure that’s true Pap?

Semedo was dropped to the bench for a few games (three or four) before picking up an “injury”?

[Paplane]

There are 33 players there over 5 years
Of those arguably, Oliveira, Colback, Dowell did well with Figueredo and Pants signed on deals.
Gardner and Janko were OK, Tomlin flattered to deceive.

So being fairly generous thats 8 out of 33 that were reasonably successful, the rest as per Duncan’s comment above.

I guess the conclusion is that players who are available on loan are available because they're pretty much, well, crap.  :s

[Username]

There are 33 players there over 5 years
Of those arguably, Oliveira, Colback, Dowell did well with Figueredo and Pants signed on deals.
Gardner and Janko were OK, Tomlin flattered to deceive.

So being fairly generous thats 8 out of 33 that were reasonably successful, the rest as per Duncan’s comment above.

Was never a fan of Dowell, he was terrible under Aitor. 

Should never have signed Panti either IMO.

[the jock]

Jokic was a solid left back

[Alf]

Geddy played well as a loan player as did Jack Hobbs, Gary Gardner was good in his first spell, Aaron Ramsey was absolute class in his one game, Kris Boyd was half decent, Majewski was originally a loan, and Billy bought in Dex, Gunter and Osbourne in on loan who all played very well in keeping us up.

So basically Billy's loans were good  :D

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Yet if you have the right contacts you can get Mount, wilson and Tomori on loan. Villa had Mings and Abraham. It can be done.

[Sausage Roll]

To be fair we did try for both Mings and Abraham.

[Alf]

Oliveira was good. Excellent in a Dougie team bereft of attacking players and so set up not to concede.

Yeah, I wanted us to sign him since he fell out with the Norwich manager a year or so ago. He went to AEK Athens for under 3m, and has now scored 8 goals in 10 so far this season.

Would have been PERFECT for this system, and the ideal forward to both cover & compliment Grabban in a 2 IMO. 

The recruitment at this club on the whole, include loans, has been frankly very poor under EM & very wasteful. Even the good players we've signed this year don't seem to be able to last more than 10 games before breaking. 

The loan philosophy is mind boggling - send out our striker who's scored 26 goals last season, 8 goals so far this season, to replace him with a kid who can't even score 1. Then loan in a load of other players who aren't anywhere near ready to hold down a regular place in the side. WTF? Just who is judging these players? IMO no-one, they're just doing what agents tell them.

I don't trust our recruitment division one bit. They're naive to what's required, and gullible (hello 13m Carvalho & 3m Soudani). If I were EM i'd want 3 promotion standard players here, ready to hit the ground running and able to last the season for 10m or less, and I'd want them ready to sign Jan 1st too. Colback, Olivera, McGinn, Grosicki - you could have had all them for less than that.

It's a massive Achilles heel at the club, and is letting us down badly, and if we have a poor Jan I wouldn't think twice about sacking & replacing all of them. The errors they've made so far display a massive failing to grasp what's available & what's required. How they've shaped our frontline into relying on 1 goalscorer is gobsmacking.

[Duncan Mckenzie]

Yet if you have the right contacts you can get Mount, wilson and Tomori on loan. Villa had Mings and Abraham. It can be done.

This ^ well said Salvatore.

It can be done, other teams have done in but we have failed massively.

[Paplane]

Oliveira was good. Excellent in a Dougie team bereft of attacking players and so set up not to concede.

Yeah, I wanted us to sign him since he fell out with the Norwich manager a year or so ago. He went to AEK Athens for under 3m, and has now scored 8 goals in 10 so far this season.

Would have been PERFECT for this system, and the ideal forward to both cover & compliment Grabban in a 2 IMO. 

The recruitment at this club on the whole, include loans, has been frankly very poor under EM & very wasteful. Even the good players we've signed this year don't seem to be able to last more than 10 games before breaking. 

The loan philosophy is mind boggling - send out our striker who's scored 26 goals last season, 8 goals so far this season, to replace him with a kid who can't even score 1. Then loan in a load of other players who aren't anywhere near ready to hold down a regular place in the side. WTF? Just who is judging these players? IMO no-one, they're just doing what agents tell them.

I don't trust our recruitment division one bit. They're naive to what's required, and gullible (hello 13m Carvalho & 3m Soudani). If I were EM i'd want 3 promotion standard players here, ready to hit the ground running and able to last the season for 10m or less, and I'd want them ready to sign Jan 1st too. Colback, Olivera, McGinn, Grosicki - you could have had all them for less than that.

It's a massive Achilles heel at the club, and is letting us down badly, and if we have a poor Jan I wouldn't think twice about sacking & replacing all of them. The errors they've made so far display a massive failing to grasp what's available & what's required. How they've shaped our frontline into relying on 1 goalscorer is gobsmacking.

The last thing we need is more sackings and more upheaval internally. I'd be happy to go through another window with this lot to see what they can do. Modesto has said he knows he's gonner if he gets it wrong. 

I suspect that that we got shafted somehow in the summer re the strikers as no one in their right mind will have been content with just Grabbs (with his injury record of last season fresh in their minds) and young Mir. I reckon a couple of strikers went elsewhere at the last minute by which time Walker, Soudani and Ansarifard had been cleared out to free up squad space.