A Consistent Philosophy

[Username]

I often wonder to myself where we would be now if we had given Freedman time, where would we be if we had given Pearce time, where would we be if we had given Warburton time etc etc.

Would we really be in a better position then where we are now? I very much doubt it, although we will never know of course.

For me the problem is that we are constantly hiring the wrong type of manager over and over again.

Of course we need a consistent philosophy but to have that we need to choose the right manager in the first place.

We need a manager to stay in place for 3 or 4 years but we need a good manager and the right manager not just any old manager to stay in place just for the sake of it.

It is absolutely crucial that the owners get it right next time because they haven't gotten it right yet and neither did the previous owner.

Nailed it.

[ThePromisedLand]

I often wonder to myself where we would be now if we had given Freedman time, where would we be if we had given Pearce time, where would we be if we had given Warburton time etc etc.

Would we really be in a better position then where we are now? I very much doubt it, although we will never know of course.

For me the problem is that we are constantly hiring the wrong type of manager over and over again.

Of course we need a consistent philosophy but to have that we need to choose the right manager in the first place.

We need a manager to stay in place for 3 or 4 years but we need a good manager and the right manager not just any old manager to stay in place just for the sake of it.

It is absolutely crucial that the owners get it right next time because they haven't gotten it right yet and neither did the previous owner.

Can’t disagree Boatsy.
I have my doubts re Psycho - but my thoughts re Freedman have been placed on record many times. He, above anyone, deserved to be given a shot with both more time & financial support.
Shouldn’t think he’s too worried though - seems to be doing a good job at Crystal Palace.

[Paplane]

I often wonder to myself where we would be now if we had given Freedman time, where would we be if we had given Pearce time, where would we be if we had given Warburton time etc etc.

Would we really be in a better position then where we are now? I very much doubt it, although we will never know of course.

For me the problem is that we are constantly hiring the wrong type of manager over and over again.

Of course we need a consistent philosophy but to have that we need to choose the right manager in the first place.

We need a manager to stay in place for 3 or 4 years but we need a good manager and the right manager not just any old manager to stay in place just for the sake of it.

It is absolutely crucial that the owners get it right next time because they haven't gotten it right yet and neither did the previous owner.

Can’t disagree Boatsy.
I have my doubts re Psycho - but my thoughts re Freedman have been placed on record many times. He, above anyone, deserved to be given a shot with both more time & financial support.
Shouldn’t think he’s too worried though - seems to be doing a good job at Crystal Palace.

Yep, he should. What he achieved under the conditions in which he was working was excellent.

[Mad Squad]

I think I would agree that all the managers we have had in the last 5 or 6 years Dougie was the one who got away and he was the one who was most likely to have achieved something with us.

[Frochy1977]

Really interesting thread this one and a couple of excellent posts from Salvatore and Boatsy.

Just for the record I also liked Freedman and the job he did under the circumstances that he had to do it in was remarkable.

He could have been our Mr. Consistency that we are crying out for.

[Squarered]

Freedman had earnt at least another season in charge out of FFP constraints. He gets beaten over the head about the poor football style yet this was purely out of necessity and a pragmatic approach at the time. He had both hands tied behind his back with the 10K wage cap in place. I think the style would have improved the following season, when he had more scope to improve the squad- we'll never know now.

[Paplane]

Freedman had earnt at least another season in charge out of FFP constraints. He gets beaten over the head about the poor football style yet this was purely out of necessity and a pragmatic approach at the time. He had both hands tied behind his back with the 10K wage cap in place. I think the style would have improved the following season, when he had more scope to improve the squad- we'll never know now.

He also lost Britt, which was a massive blow.

[ThePromisedLand]

I’m loving this positivity re Dougie - but remember very little of it when he was here.

[Duncan Mckenzie]

I’m loving this positivity re Dougie - but remember very little of it when he was here.

:D  That is true TPL.

I think a lot of the frustrations at the time were more to due with the antics of Fawaz rather than the job Dougie was doing.

I think it's fair to say that many couldn't see the good job what Douglas was doing at the time and I would probably include myself in that.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Some good comments above. Freedman’s treatment was indeed harsh but the consensus was even with better resources he didn’t know how to do things differently. If that was true we will never know.

Boatsy makes the point about hiring the wrong type of manager over and over again. Lets have a look..
Mclaren, ex England manager recent successs in winning dutch league
Davies, excellent man manger and Championship success (ok we’ll gloss over the obvious flaws)
ODriscoll , known for positive passing game
Pearce, club legend, former England U21 manager
Montanier, an experiment with continental style, success with Real Sociedad
Warburton, history of developing young players and good football
Karanka, recent success in getting Boro promotion
ONeill, 25 years mangerial experience and success at a high leve.

We have tried pretty well every type of manager above, you could argue every one of them had a good CV and had delivered elsewhere. Who else do you want? What have we not previously done?

I cant help coming back to the conclusion that the problem is we rip everything up and start again every season.

[Duncan Mckenzie]

It's very interesting.

Is it just a coincidence that from all the managers listed above the one who got closest to promotion was the one who was given the most time?

[Strawberry Avenger]

I’m loving this positivity re Dougie - but remember very little of it when he was here.

:D  That is true TPL.

I think a lot of the frustrations at the time were more to due with the antics of Fawaz rather than the job Dougie was doing.

I think it's fair to say that many couldn't see the good job what Douglas was doing at the time and I would probably include myself in that.

Was doing a sound job in adverse conditions.

And some of his transfer work was shrewd.  Kept us up.  

And he was clear.  Do you want results football or tappy football?  And he showed us what each kind brought.  And made it clear we didn't have the players to the do the latter.

SA.