Vitor Pereira - Our Manager

[DeesideRed]

I still think VP has the ability to go on a run and hope he does. It remains a gamble I'm not sure on tbh.

[Plymouth red]

I just don't understand why you ditch dyche for a manager who has not won a single league game he has managed this season.

If we go down we have only ourselves to blame. There have so many terrible decisions from start to finish

[JWJW]

VP has already dumped Lucca and Morato.........so he is getting to know who is who unlike Dyche.

Igor Tudor s also suffering at Spuds. Nuno struggled at Wet Sham in the initial period of time.

Its not bad management, its a case of finding out fast who is capable and the best formation. The first games in charge are in effect your pre=season look at people.

It was always going to be tough changing manager again however it was the right thing to do as we were getting worse and worse under Dyche. Had we stayed with Dyche we would for sure be going down.

The Europa lLeague is killing us, had Dyche not screwed that up we would not have had those 2 extra games and might have beaten Liverpool and Brighton. Look at what its doing to Aston Villa lately and they did not have the 2 extra games we had.

The EL league being Thursday is bad........the players are tired on the following Sunday at this stage of the season.

Whilst EM takes the blame for Ange and the 1st half of the season..........Dyche takes the blame for the current situaion.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Can someone please tell me how Dyche would have kept us up when the players following those pathetic performances against Leeds and Wolves made it crystal clear to EM that they wanted him out.

How would Dyche have gotten a tune out of players who no longer wanted to play for him?

Vitor is not winning PL games but that doesn't change the fact that Dyche would also have got us relegated.

Dyche lost the players and he lost the majority of the fans too.

There is no coming back from that.

I understand that one or two on here are friends with Dyche's assistants etc and want to defend them but lets not show blind loyalty and be blinkered.

The bloke was a terrible appointment and he was rightfully sacked.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Its just a continuation of the stick or twist debate. There is an argument for saying whilst performances were bad, results were just about acceptable with Dyche. Whether some of the players were with him doesn’t matter and I think many on here are losing patience with their excuses.

Nobody has criticised Vitor, he has a very tough job to understand his squad and how he can tweak things to improve matters, he shouldn’t be having to try experimental formations at this stage in the season.

We had a choice between trying something different with Vitor but decent bloke as he seems to be his results record is patchy at best. Or sticking with Dyche and hoping we would crawl over the line. Im still on the fence whether we did the right thing.

[Cornish forest]

Can someone please tell me how Dyche would have kept us up when the players following those pathetic performances against Leeds and Wolves made it crystal clear to EM that they wanted him out.

How would Dyche have gotten a tune out of players who no longer wanted to play for him?

Vitor is not winning PL games but that doesn't change the fact that Dyche would also have got us relegated.

Dyche lost the players and he lost the majority of the fans too.

There is no coming back from that.

I understand that one or two on here are friends with Dyche's assistants etc and want to defend them but lets not show blind loyalty and be blinkered.

The bloke was a terrible appointment and he was rightfully sacked.

I wouldn’t be quite as harsh on Dyche as you, but I agree he was probably taking us down. 
Whilst yesterday’s result was poor, was it any worse than Fulham away, Everton(twice) or Wolves or Palace at home recently? 

The sad reality is that we’ve laboured under the false pretence all season that our squad is better than it is. 
It isn’t, regardless of how much it’s worth on paper, over the season it’s been found out and while we’re being honest it was being found out at the bank end of last season. 
Our summer recruitment has offered us nothing in the league, absolutely nothing and that will need to be addressed. 
The big man will need to look long and hard in the mirror and take his share of blame, but he has been massively let down by people, I assume he pays handsomely.

[Marinakis Red]

We are in a position at this moment in time where I don't think it is the manager, as a group of players for whatever reason they just are not good enough right now.

Not enough effort, energy, will to defend. Everything we had last season those players are not delivering this.

[Forest1970]

We are in a position at this moment in time where I don't think it is the manager, as a group of players for whatever reason they just are not good enough right now.

Not enough effort, energy, will to defend. Everything we had last season those players are not delivering this.

They need self belief and a shed load of confidence. Cloughie band of merry men was classed as shite but with some self belief became champions of europe. Its the managers job to get that confidence.

[Cornish forest]

We are in a position at this moment in time where I don't think it is the manager, as a group of players for whatever reason they just are not good enough right now.

Not enough effort, energy, will to defend. Everything we had last season those players are not delivering this.

I don’t think there is a lot of difference from last season to be honest. 
Last season we had an outstanding December where everything went right for us. It masked a lot of the deficiencies in the side which we saw more clearly towards the end of the season. 
Add in the lack of a goal scorer for most of this season and you can see where we are falling down. 
Poor performances from players is for many nothing more than fatigue. We can’t rely on squad depth to give people rests because we haven’t got any that’s good enough. 

I don’t think it’s a lack of effort from many.

[Username]

Can someone please tell me how Dyche would have kept us up when the players following those pathetic performances against Leeds and Wolves made it crystal clear to EM that they wanted him out.

How would Dyche have gotten a tune out of players who no longer wanted to play for him?

Vitor is not winning PL games but that doesn't change the fact that Dyche would also have got us relegated.

Dyche lost the players and he lost the majority of the fans too.

There is no coming back from that.

I understand that one or two on here are friends with Dyche's assistants etc and want to defend them but lets not show blind loyalty and be blinkered.

The bloke was a terrible appointment and he was rightfully sacked.

What is the constant under all four managers this season?

The players. 

If EM is so weak that he takes their views against weighing up the alternatives then that is quite frankly appalling. He should have told the players to pipe the fook down and get on with their jobs. 

I’ve asked, and remains unanswered, but somehow this thread keeps turning back to Dyche, do you think we will stay up under Vitor based upon the last three games?

We shouldn’t just change for changing sake. 

I’ve seen no suggestion that Dyche had lost the players as a collective and the effort in the games you highlighted doesn’t support that. Yes, three or four may have been unhappy but so the should be, playing at the top level isn’t for the faint hearted. Do you think Foden is happy with Pep right now? Or that Grealish was last season? The manager has to be focused on a bigger picture. 

I am struggling to see, as it stands, what warranted the appointment of Vitor, and why he was a better choice, and there’s been nothing posted here to support that.

[wassy04]

Its just a continuation of the stick or twist debate. There is an argument for saying whilst performances were bad, results were just about acceptable with Dyche. Whether some of  the players were with him doesn’t matter and I think many on here are losing patience with their excuses.

Nobody has criticised Vitor, he has a very tough job to understand his squad and how he can tweak things to improve matters, he shouldn’t be having to try experimental formations at this stage in the season.

We had a choice between trying something different with Vitor but decent bloke as he seems to be his results record is patchy at best. Or sticking with Dyche and hoping we would crawl over the line. Im still on the fence whether we did the right thing.

I feel like it makes sense to change formation, not as if we have been playing well in our current tactics. Worked pretty well for Leeds too when they changed to 3 at the back and we looked more secure yesterday. Plus it gives us more options for Europa in terms of resting Neco/Aina if we can use the likes of N'Doye and Netz as wingbacks.

[JollyLollyAussie]

Play the B team in the EL as to lose next round and leave the entire 1st team to battle relegation. Being in the EL has been so detrimental to our club this season not only on the players, but transfers, managers and bad press in the media start of the season a real poison chalice.