Dyche In/Out

[wassy04]

What’s deemed to be a good end to the season?

Well we all probably have different views on this. I suppose a good end to the season is staying up but I think there's a chance we could put a few more results together, climb 3 or 4 places up the league and end the season with high morale on and off the pitch.

I personally think we are in a dog fight but it's possible.

Great end - Win Europa!
Good end - Deep run in Europa and pull away from the bottom three.
Average end - 17th and early exit from Europa.
Bad end - Relegation

[ToryTom]

Dont see this Dyche ball crap. Before the sending off we were spraying the ball around excellently.

You clearly didn't go to Everton, Bournemouth, Villa, Braga, Graz. We couldn't put two passes together and most of the time didn't even try to. The tactic away from home is sit deep and boot the ball forward in the general direction of Jesus who has virtually no chance of retaining possession.

So, 5 games out of 23 have not met your exacting standards, one of which was Dyches first league game, and two were EC games with a raft of changes to the team.

Considering the circumstances, the quality of our play, on the whole, has not been that bad.

And if you have conveniently forgotten what those circumstances were, a starting position in the relegation zone following a disastrous run of games under Dyches predecessor, and the absence of a striker who has been instrumental in scoring a large proportion of our goals during the previous two seasons (35 in 75 games).

There has been a long history of teams attempting to play their way out of the mess we were in, most of which have ended in failure.

The facts speak for themselves - we have averaged over 1.3 points per game since Dyche took over and sit in 10th place in the current form table for that period.

There have been some games where the performances and the result were not acceptable, most of those games occurred when Sangare was on Afcon duty, but they are in a very small minority; there have been other games, like Brentford away - a team who had lost one previous home game all season - where the performance was as good as could be expected. 

There are a small number of sanctimonious people who have a warped perception of Dyche and his style of play; thankfully they are being drowned out by the majority who appreciate the job he is doing.

Enough sanctimonious people to start a Dyche Out heading on here. You are right that Dyche has accumulated a reasonable points haul so far. You are wrong that only a handful of performances have been awful. The majority have even in games we have won  such as Brentford and West Ham away. We could have easily lost those games on another day. Eventually points per game start to reflect performances. Only Wolves have scored fewer goals. If that lack of creativity in Dyche’s tactics continues it will catch up with the points per game.

[JWJW]

Dont see this Dyche ball crap. Before the sending off we were spraying the ball around excellently.

You clearly didn't go to Everton, Bournemouth, Villa, Braga, Graz. We couldn't put two passes together and most of the time didn't even try to. The tactic away from home is sit deep and boot the ball forward in the general direction of Jesus who has virtually no chance of retaining possession.

So, 5 games out of 23 have not met your exacting standards, one of which was Dyches first league game, and two were EC games with a raft of changes to the team.

Considering the circumstances, the quality of our play, on the whole, has not been that bad.

And if you have conveniently forgotten what those circumstances were, a starting position in the relegation zone following a disastrous run of games under Dyches predecessor, and the absence of a striker who has been instrumental in scoring a large proportion of our goals during the previous two seasons (35 in 75 games).

There has been a long history of teams attempting to play their way out of the mess we were in, most of which have ended in failure.

The facts speak for themselves - we have averaged over 1.3 points per game since Dyche took over and sit in 10th place in the current form table for that period.

There have been some games where the performances and the result were not acceptable, most of those games occurred when Sangare was on Afcon duty, but they are in a very small minority; there have been other games, like Brentford away - a team who had lost one previous home game all season - where the performance was as good as could be expected. 

There are a small number of sanctimonious people who have a warped perception of Dyche and his style of play; thankfully they are being drowned out by the majority who appreciate the job he is doing.

100% correct

[ToryTom]

Dont see this Dyche ball crap. Before the sending off we were spraying the ball around excellently.

You clearly didn't go to Everton, Bournemouth, Villa, Braga, Graz. We couldn't put two passes together and most of the time didn't even try to. The tactic away from home is sit deep and boot the ball forward in the general direction of Jesus who has virtually no chance of retaining possession.

So, 5 games out of 23 have not met your exacting standards, one of which was Dyches first league game, and two were EC games with a raft of changes to the team.

Considering the circumstances, the quality of our play, on the whole, has not been that bad.

And if you have conveniently forgotten what those circumstances were, a starting position in the relegation zone following a disastrous run of games under Dyches predecessor, and the absence of a striker who has been instrumental in scoring a large proportion of our goals during the previous two seasons (35 in 75 games).

There has been a long history of teams attempting to play their way out of the mess we were in, most of which have ended in failure.

The facts speak for themselves - we have averaged over 1.3 points per game since Dyche took over and sit in 10th place in the current form table for that period.

There have been some games where the performances and the result were not acceptable, most of those games occurred when Sangare was on Afcon duty, but they are in a very small minority; there have been other games, like Brentford away - a team who had lost one previous home game all season - where the performance was as good as could be expected. 

There are a small number of sanctimonious people who have a warped perception of Dyche and his style of play; thankfully they are being drowned out by the majority who appreciate the job he is doing.

100% correct

So criticism of Dyche is sanctimonious. Let’s see how that plays out.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I am on the fence and getting splinters.

Braga was like going back to the Megson era but Liverpool, Man City and Arsenal were all excellent.

We were dreadful in Braga, Utrecht, Everton twice, Bournemouth, Graz, Aston Villa, Wolves, Wrexham and West Ham.

We were average against Brentford, Leeds and Crystal Palace.

Good against Porto, Malmo, Ferencváros and Tottenham.

Excellent against Man City, Arsenal and Liverpool.

That is my view on Dyche so far.

But like SM said it's all about points on the board and we are doing okay with that.

So to sum up I feel better at the moment than I did after Braga but I am still not totally convinced.

[Jean_claude_killy]

Dont see this Dyche ball crap. Before the sending off we were spraying the ball around excellently.

You clearly didn't go to Everton, Bournemouth, Villa, Braga, Graz. We couldn't put two passes together and most of the time didn't even try to. The tactic away from home is sit deep and boot the ball forward in the general direction of Jesus who has virtually no chance of retaining possession.

So, 5 games out of 23 have not met your exacting standards, one of which was Dyches first league game, and two were EC games with a raft of changes to the team.

Considering the circumstances, the quality of our play, on the whole, has not been that bad.

And if you have conveniently forgotten what those circumstances were, a starting position in the relegation zone following a disastrous run of games under Dyches predecessor, and the absence of a striker who has been instrumental in scoring a large proportion of our goals during the previous two seasons (35 in 75 games).

There has been a long history of teams attempting to play their way out of the mess we were in, most of which have ended in failure.

The facts speak for themselves - we have averaged over 1.3 points per game since Dyche took over and sit in 10th place in the current form table for that period.

There have been some games where the performances and the result were not acceptable, most of those games occurred when Sangare was on Afcon duty, but they are in a very small minority; there have been other games, like Brentford away - a team who had lost one previous home game all season - where the performance was as good as could be expected. 

There are a small number of sanctimonious people who have a warped perception of Dyche and his style of play; thankfully they are being drowned out by the majority who appreciate the job he is doing.

100% correct

So criticism of Dyche is sanctimonious. Let’s see how that plays out.

No, you completely miss the point.

Dyche is not above criticism; no manager is.

Its the whinging about the quality of the football and parroting garbage like Dycheball, that gives the impression of entitlement and some perverse sense of superiority - we do not get one extra point for artistic merit, no club does.

Dyche has one remit; ensure we are playing PL football next season, and that is what he is doing.

You have to earn the right to play good football in the PL and that is exactly what Dyche is trying to do, and there are 19 other clubs determined to stop us playing good football.

To claim he is just going out instructing the team to hoof the ball down the pitch does not ring true; if that is the case, what the hell went wrong at Anfield and at Home against Spurs?

We played decent football against Leeds, Manchester United, Manchester City, West Ham, Wolves and Brentford for some of the game, and backs to the wall stuff against Arsenal.

Dyche has definitely got the players fighting for our PL lives, and that is the most important aspect.

On the whole, there has been far more decent football than bad; it may well not be enough to please the elitists, but that is just too bad, they need to take a long hard look at the league table.

Personally, I do not think we will be having this discussion next season; the fact that Dyche was only given an 18 Month contract suggests to me that he is only a stop gap, and if Silva becomes free, I think EM will go all out for him.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

I am on the fence and getting splinters.

Braga was like going back to the Megson era but Liverpool, Man City and Arsenal were all excellent.

We were dreadful in Braga, Utrecht, Everton twice, Bournemouth, Graz, Aston Villa, Wolves, Wrexham and West Ham.

We were average against Brentford, Leeds and Crystal Palace.

Good against Porto, Malmo, Ferencváros and Tottenham.

Excellent against Man City, Arsenal and Liverpool.

That is my view on Dyche so far.

But like SM said it's all about points on the board and we are doing okay with that.

So to sum up I feel better at the moment than I did after Braga but I am still not totally convinced.

Fair enough Sniffer but some of your evaluations are harsh to say the least. Our demolition of Tottenham only good? Seriously? How do you improve on that?
Leeds only being ok? We comprehensively outplayed them.
Bournemouth was awful but the bloke had been here 2 days. We had a demoralised squad and a defence that no longer had a clue what it was meant to be doing thanks to the previous manager.
Yep we have had a few backward steps, some of which were unacceptable but we need to give Dyche the season unless things go badly wrong from this point.

[jurgen rober]

It's worth noting that of the dreadful games mentioned by Sniffer, Sangare only appeared in 1 of those games, Everton away. He has become a really important player to us and his partnership with Anderson is what will keep us up.

[Jimmygordon]

All pretty fair comments on both sides. The morons on social media are calling him a dinosaur, and Dycheball wants some non-existent super-European manager, yet we win every week and play like peak Man City.

He came into a S**t show and calmed things down. If we played brilliantly every week, we would be in the top 2. Some of the performances have been dreadful, but the good outweighs the bad.

[BomberBowyer]

It's worth noting that of the dreadful games mentioned by Sniffer, Sangare only appeared in 1 of those games, Everton away. He has become a really important player to us and his partnership with Anderson is what will keep us up.

100%.  Sangare doing what he does allows Anderson, and to some extent MGW, to play with more freedom. The same to some extent can be said about having Dominguez in the team instead of one of our wingers. No coincidence for me that when Sangare was missing Anderson’s form dipped given he was then caught between doing his role and Samgares as those who stepped in to cover weren’t up to it.

Personally I think Dyche will be gone end of the season and we’ll turn to what is considered a more progressive manager. Hopefully it will be a case of Dyche leaving with a big thank you for having achieved what he was brought in to do.

Finally, saw a comment about some of the games we’ve won under Dyche (eg West Ham, Brentford) could easily have gone the other way. True, but isn’t that true surely off all games? There are no easy games in the PL and although for instance we won v Brentford under Nuno and it was touted as a great performance.  Even at 3 up we started to look vulnerable when Schade came on and had they scored earlier or not missed one or two chances second half it could have been a very different start. Likewise, dare I say it, we missed so many chances in Ange’s games and its not inconceivable had a few of those gone in thatb we would be looking a his time as manager very differently.

[wassy04]

It's worth noting that of the dreadful games mentioned by Sniffer, Sangare only appeared in 1 of those games, Everton away. He has become a really important player to us and his partnership with Anderson is what will keep us up.

100%.  Sangare doing what he does allows Anderson, and to some extent MGW, to play with more freedom. The same to some extent can be said about having Dominguez in the team instead of one of our wingers. No coincidence for me that when Sangare was missing Anderson’s form dipped given he was then caught between doing his role and Samgares as those who stepped in to cover weren’t up to it.

Personally I think Dyche will be gone end of the season and we’ll turn to what is considered a more progressive manager. Hopefully it will be a case of Dyche leaving with a big thank you for having achieved what he was brought in to do.

Finally, saw a comment about some of the games we’ve won under Dyche (eg West Ham, Brentford) could easily have gone the other way. True, but isn’t that true surely off all games? There are no easy games in the PL and although for instance we won v Brentford under Nuno and it was touted as a great performance.  Even at 3 up we started to look vulnerable when Schade came on and had they scored earlier or not missed one or two chances second half it could have been a very different start. Likewise, dare I say it, we missed so many chances in Ange’s games and its not inconceivable had a few of those gone in thatb we would be looking a his time as manager very differently.

Had that happened we'd probably right now be discussing the merits of appointing Dyche to save us from relegation!

[DeesideRed]

Dont see this Dyche ball crap. Before the sending off we were spraying the ball around excellently.

You clearly didn't go to Everton, Bournemouth, Villa, Braga, Graz. We couldn't put two passes together and most of the time didn't even try to. The tactic away from home is sit deep and boot the ball forward in the general direction of Jesus who has virtually no chance of retaining possession.

So, 5 games out of 23 have not met your exacting standards, one of which was Dyches first league game, and two were EC games with a raft of changes to the team.

Considering the circumstances, the quality of our play, on the whole, has not been that bad.

And if you have conveniently forgotten what those circumstances were, a starting position in the relegation zone following a disastrous run of games under Dyches predecessor, and the absence of a striker who has been instrumental in scoring a large proportion of our goals during the previous two seasons (35 in 75 games).

There has been a long history of teams attempting to play their way out of the mess we were in, most of which have ended in failure.

The facts speak for themselves - we have averaged over 1.3 points per game since Dyche took over and sit in 10th place in the current form table for that period.

There have been some games where the performances and the result were not acceptable, most of those games occurred when Sangare was on Afcon duty, but they are in a very small minority; there have been other games, like Brentford away - a team who had lost one previous home game all season - where the performance was as good as could be expected. 

There are a small number of sanctimonious people who have a warped perception of Dyche and his style of play; thankfully they are being drowned out by the majority who appreciate the job he is doing.

Enough sanctimonious people to start a Dyche Out heading on here. You are right that Dyche has accumulated a reasonable points haul so far. You are wrong that only a handful of performances have been awful. The majority have even in games we have won  such as Brentford and West Ham away. We could have easily lost those games on another day. Eventually points per game start to reflect performances. Only Wolves have scored fewer goals. If that lack of creativity in Dyche’s tactics continues it will catch up with the points per game.

Said before, straw argument. Plenty of games might have been won on another day. Say like against another days 10 man city where we were excellent.