Dyche Out

[Salvatore Matrecano]

If questionable substitute decisions were reasons to sack a manager we would have a new one every week. He got us a draw and we looked the better team in the second half with 10 men, I think that gives Sean a pass for this week at least.

[Fumanchew]

Nuno would have been sacked ten times over Jan-May last year

[ozzyten10]

Firmly in the Dyche in camp- generally been much better - Braga apart- and think players are gaining an understanding of the intent- hopefully more fringe players will start showing their worth - they will be needed!

[Squarered]

Dominguez played 80 mins ish on Thursday and would never have lasted the second half. Dyche was correct in my book, plus that situation was made for Yates

[Jean_claude_killy]

We are told by some we should hold our noses about paying to watch Dycheball because he is a pragmatic, experienced premier league manager who joined us when we were second bottom of the table and is an expert at keeping teams up. He is supposed to not panic when under pressure and it is worth the compromise in playing style we asked to endure. That is a fair argument if true but it isn't. On Sunday against Palace he did panic under the pressure of having Williams sent off. At the time of the handball, it was nearly half time. Callum Hudson-Odoi was already injured and holding his shoulder. Instead of replacing Callum with Moratto he brought off Dominguez who is probably the fittest player in the squad and whose running capacity was likely to have been needed to compensate for going down to 10 men. At half time he duly brought Callum off and replaced him with Ryan Yates to play in the same position he could have put Dominguez. It was a wasted substitution which could have hurt us.

So, even though we were by far the better team in the second half, that was despite the substitutions not because of them.

I suppose thats one way of looking at things.

[ac_vodka]

not the way I saw it either - not a huge fan of Dyche but gotta give credit where credits due and we looked mostly likely to win that.

[JohnG]

Dominguez was always going to need to be pulled at one point. He doesn't stop running and putting the effort in, and after Thursday he was going to quickly become gassed.

[RyanR]

Based on the last performance then the players are willing to fight and give 100% for Dyche. The same couldn’t be said under Ange or under Nuno at the end.

I hope some of the fringe players like McAtee, Bakwa, Hutchinson can get more first team exposure and start putting in some performances. It wouldn’t take much to get a bit further away from the relegation zone and we’re still in Europe

[ToryTom]

We are told by some we should hold our noses about paying to watch Dycheball because he is a pragmatic, experienced premier league manager who joined us when we were second bottom of the table and is an expert at keeping teams up. He is supposed to not panic when under pressure and it is worth the compromise in playing style we asked to endure. That is a fair argument if true but it isn't. On Sunday against Palace he did panic under the pressure of having Williams sent off. At the time of the handball, it was nearly half time. Callum Hudson-Odoi was already injured and holding his shoulder. Instead of replacing Callum with Moratto he brought off Dominguez who is probably the fittest player in the squad and whose running capacity was likely to have been needed to compensate for going down to 10 men. At half time he duly brought Callum off and replaced him with Ryan Yates to play in the same position he could have put Dominguez. It was a wasted substitution which could have hurt us.

So, even though we were by far the better team in the second half, that was despite the substitutions not because of them.

I suppose thats one way of looking at things.

It was a panicked reaction, potentially wasting a substitution which could have gone wrong. We are all glad it didn't. The penalty was scored into injury time at the end of the first half. The manager could have either taken Callum off who was obviously injured a good while before the handball or left the substitution the few minutes until the break. What he did was panic by bringing on a central defender, sacrificing our fittest player who does more running than anybody else, whose best position is in central midfield and then at half time taking Callum off anyway, no surprise considering how he had been struggling, to bring on Yates to play in central midfield where Dominguez could have been. What if Anderson or Sangare then got injured early in the second half. No further midfield cover on the bench and Dominguez sitting in the stands having been sacrificed for Yates. It didn't make sense.

[Username]

The key word being potentially.

Thankfully we have the benefit of hindsight to judge the circumstances on facts rather than potential.

[Squarered]

Down to opinions, but don't agree at all TT. Callum only had to last a few minutes till half time, which is on him or the medical staff to decide. We needed to bring on a defender as one was sent off, he brought on the one with most Premier league experience. No obvious candidates on the pitch to fill in at fullback without a sub so Murillo did a job. Dominguez would obviously have been subbed second half anyway due to minutes he played on thursday, he's not that fit! If Anderson or Sangare was injured Morgan would have dropped deeper or otherwise McAtee - we don't have enough midfield depth without Luiz but that is on recruitment, not Dyche. I'm not 100% on Dyche but makes perfect sense to me.

[ToryTom]

Down to opinions, but don't agree at all TT. Callum only had to last a few minutes till half time, which is on him or the medical staff to decide. We needed to bring on a defender as one was sent off, he brought on the one with most Premier league experience. No obvious candidates on the pitch to fill in at fullback without a sub so Murillo did a job. Dominguez would obviously have been subbed second half anyway due to minutes he played on thursday, he's not that fit! If Anderson or Sangare was injured Morgan would have dropped deeper or otherwise McAtee - we don't have enough midfield depth without Luiz but that is on recruitment, not Dyche. I'm not 100% on Dyche but makes perfect sense to me.

No issue bringing a central defender on when he did but it was obvious Callum was not going to continue way before the handball occurred. I cannot understand why he took Dominguez off and not Callum at that point. Dominguez appeared to have plenty left in the tank and did not look happy about being replaced. Predictably, Callum does not return for the second half and is replaced by Yates. Would it not have been better to have left Dominguez on the pitch  and replace him in the second half with Yates if he needed to. In the end the waste of this substitution probably did not have an adverse impact upon the result because we got a draw with ten men, albeit in my opinion Dominguez is a better all round player central midfielder than Yates and we may have created more opportunities in the second half and sneaked a winner. Who knows, but it was a game we could have done with winning and I can't see what Dyche's rationale for this substitution was. It appeared panicky and not well thought out which is the opposite of what we are told he was brought into to be and the reason we have to accept his unattractive basic style of football.