Dyche In/Out

[HebdenRed]

Not now, but definitely at the end of the season.

Getting rid now would be very risky, and who would take us on.

(On the bus at braga bus station just leaving to Porto airport) - so yes, witnessed that S**t show last night.

We look fragmented and divided but it would take big balls to pull the trigger now.

[wassy04]

The problem is it could get worse, we know it can get worse because it was worse, under the previous manager and he had three strikers to pick from at the time.

There is no saviour, we just need to accept the team is bang average and whilst I'm sure it could do better than it is doing right now, I'm not sure it can do that much better.

Sacking him will cost money again that could be spent on new signings (it won't be like Nuno as no-one else is taking Dyche!). Not to mention it surely makes it more difficult to get one of the top options in the summer.

If you're Marco Silva and you see us sack another manager that in terms of points has done what was expected of him, would that make you more likely to take the job?

[toddy]

is there nobody to bring in as caretaker ? like this , half the players will want out

[JollyLollyAussie]

EM and Edu made the choice of Dyche to be our manager and for all the S**t that is on offer from him we HAVE to stick with him until the end of season, I think they know that they f****d up big style and I am also looking at you Mr J Owen!!!!

EM has to step back as the club is a reflection of himself (good/bad) the structure in place is wrong and need to be addressed at the end of the season, we need to reset.

No knee jerk in regards to an alternative at this moment but a PLANNED replacement based on a playing ethos throughout the club, if we have to pay a release so be it NOT anybody who is available at the time.

[Cornish forest]

Not entirely sure it’s salvageable.
Too many mistakes already and I suspect a number of players that simply don’t want to be here anymore.
New players who were sold a team challenging at the top but find the exact opposite and established players who think they have done their time at this club and deserve better.
At least we’ve beaten Derby’s points total. Not entirely sure we would next season.
We’ve never really recovered from the Nuno debacle.

[Trailer Park Tom]

I don't mind if Dyche goes or not but if he does then EM should walk.

[Liars Bar]

Well I’ve just woken up in Porto, that was by far, by far, the most inept performance I’ve seen since Wigan away in tne cup.
I was a big Dyche fan before last night, but I don’t see where we go from here.
The crowd were booing after 5 minutes, which normally I hate. I was joining in second half.
A great wet few days, spending money i work hard for, ruined by tha shambles.
We need to check Bakwas passport to make sure its not Diakhaby in disguise.

[Cornish forest]

I don't mind if Dyche goes or not but if he does then EM should walk.

I don’t doubt he’s made mistakes and none of us truly know what went on with Nuno, or who is too blame. Certainly the Leicester game last season is not a good look. 

But …
It’s under his stewardship that we got promoted, challenged for Champions League and have had 4 seasons in the Prem. 
all of which I thought id never see again. 

Don’t get me wrong, I’m angry and people at the club need to have an honest review of how it’s gone so spectacularly wrong so quickly. 
But let’s not forget just how harsh the Prem can be.

[DeesideRed]

The problem is it could get worse, we know it can get worse because it was worse, under the previous manager and he had three strikers to pick from at the time.

There is no saviour, we just need to accept the team is bang average and whilst I'm sure it could do better than it is doing right now, I'm not sure it can do that much better.

Sacking him will cost money again that could be spent on new signings (it won't be like Nuno as no-one else is taking Dyche!). Not to mention it surely makes it more difficult to get one of the top options in the summer.

If you're Marco Silva and you see us sack another manager that in terms of points has done what was expected of him, would that make you more likely to take the job?

This is why I come on here. A bit of level headedness

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I don't mind if Dyche goes or not but if he does then EM should walk.

:Up Yours:

[TrentEnd]

I've really tried to be patient. The thing that has worried me for a few weeks is that they seem to be getting worse. They played well when Dyche got here on the whole, but with his coaching etc, we are getting worse. And yet, the Arsenal performance and to some extent the Arsenal performance were encouraging. It does seem like we have not moved on from last season where we fell off a cliff in the last ten games. We have an 11 that can play (though now toothless under Dyche) but nothing else (after spending 200m!).

I can't see that sacking Dyche will help much currently because I'm not sure who you would get, but then I can't stand to watch the dreadful 'performances'. I just don't know what is for the best. One way another though, I can't stand watching this football next year. EM has a huge decision to make. If Nuno keeps Wet Spam up, whoever you think was to blame for him being sacked, it will be a bitter pill to swallow after the best year of football under him that most have us have ever seen.

[Mcforest]

Sort of a brain dump of what I think.

For me it has been the lack of any type of strategy this season which has cost us.

We bought players without planning out our strengths and weaknesses, identifying what systems and styles we wanted to play and nor did we look at pathways to implement and/or change these.

We bought a mishmash of younger players who haven’t played in similar styles and expected them to guide the team to a new identity, yet we didn’t even know what the new identity would be. We didn’t research the players, what is their personality, work ethic and how they fit into a new look system. Examples are strikers we bought two supporting strikers who don’t play as a lone striker. We also bought wingers who are inexperienced and don’t like to run with the ball, they want a slow build up.

These types don’t fit nuno’s, ange’s or dyce’s normal style model, they don’t even fit in with our counter attacking system from last year. So why bring them in if not for a longer term view, in which case we needed some players who could cover the now and allow for a transition period.

Also for reasons like waiting to see what European league we were going to be and the need to increase squad size we bought in a big number of new recruits but we did it late in the window so bonding the team and laying the foundation for the season wasn’t available. All training / fitness is now being done on the very limited times between games. Coaching and development of players is at it hardest as it is all about preparing for the next game over the basics.

Now for the managers unfortunately for us we happened to have 3 managers who have completely different styles, formations and patterns with only nuno’s really suiting the players from the last season, but even that was failing at the end of the season. None of these managers are a look at what we have and then work out how we need to play to get the best out of them and for the club. They all came with this is how I play and you need to fit that even if you can’t/don’t understand it. None of them are willing to make tweaks to their belief, little things that allow players to grow into the managers preferred way of playing. This has created a situation where the team ethos isn’t there and it seems each player is playing their own role and rules. This is why we see panic, fear and disorganisation on the pitch.

All these things need to be addressed so sacking the manager won’t change things this season, it might allow the right person more time to assess the squad but as for performances I don’t see this having an impact on them. What needs to happen is that the club need to  work out what it is we want to become and take in consideration who we are going to lose and what impact that has on long term planning.

The fact we are going to lose some very important players next season means short term our future aims are not going to be possible and may take 5 years to recover from this season. So the steps that need to be taken on the short term need to be listed and dealt with correctly and swiftly. Milestones of multiple steps need to be build up to correct the course of this season, what they are I wish I could tell you but I’m not involved and I can’t see what I can’t see. I would suggest it is worth having a no blame period where people stop hiding things and agendas and come forward with no fear of reprisal to discuss things out in the open and to all. Proper lines of communication roles and responsibilities is a must, especially if we want a manager or a head coach.

Then find the right manager and review the playing staff who will be with us, which players are fit for now, which players have the ability to adapt, which ones need the most help and who isn’t part of the plan going forward. Reviews must be done as to why we bought most of these players and how we don’t repeat the same mistakes. The manager also needs to come with plans on how he will change it, risks, opportunities, successes and failures.

Then we are going to have suffer for a while it all takes shape over a period of time. There will be no short cuts and it will take many transfer windows and youth development years before a new identity is formed with style of play, patterns formations and ethos right through the club. Keep to the long term plan and don’t rush and react recklessly to unexpected spikes along the way. Proactive instead of reactive tracking the milestones, reviewing and revising plans all with long term goals with everybody on board rather than those looking to make a quick name for themselves or hiding information.