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[Fumanchew]

Whilst the likes of Sky and co keep lapping up and reporting every morsel of S**t that spews out of Parrish's mouth, then we are gonna be in the sights of any thick headed, rose tinted, knuckle dragging, gormless t**t going. Parrish (spit!) is churning out more and more bollocks every time he opens his mouth and the afore mentioned thick headed, rose tinted, knuckle dragging gormless twats are still sucking it all in. There are few Palace fans I have seen comment in the Athletic that have said their club f****d up, but the vast majority are still in denial about Palace being a part of an MCO and this is all down to EM and Forest? How the f**k they come to that conclusion, apart from listening to their sly, spineless, highly incompetent owner of course.

For me, I dont give a f**k about what Palace fans say TBH. If they are so stupid not to realise their own owner has royally f****d up big time and is looking to swerve the blame away from him, then that is on them.

What I do give a f**k about though is the potential for there to be violence at Selhurst Park in a couple of weeks time, when our travelling Red Army arrives there and our fans getting attacked. Parrish and his tub thumping, anti everything Nottingham Forest vitriol is whipping his fans up into a frenzy and that can only lead to one thing. If this does happen, then I hope that the authorities have the guts to arrest Parrish for inciting riots, using words and behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace etc. God forbid anything does happen, but if any of our fans do get hurt at Selhurst Park, I hope they take Parrish to court and sue the b*****d!  :Anger:

It is quite bizarre how some of their fans still think this is none of Parish’s or Palace’s fault. Admittedly many are now gunning for Textor but of course his and Marinakis’s friendship appears to continue to fan the flames and keep up their imagination that this is Forest’s fault.

Anyway, what is refreshing as you say is that some fans are now looking inwards but also, the changing views of some of the media. Yes, good ol Sky’s chief correspondent/Palace fan is still spinning the sob story but likes of Simon Jordan, Jim White and others are telling it as it is. As days go by I’m sure more will follow and as we move into the season and Chelsea, Liverpool, Utd etc kick-off their new season Sky and the rest will forget all about little ol Palace.

I have been following this thread for a while! Ignoring all the vitriol I am intrigued to know why folk think that what has happened, to Forest’s benefit and Palace’s loss, is the responsibility of Parish. He, or his club, have no control over shares owned by another shareholder. The most that could have been done was identify an issue, point it out and request that steps were taken. They could not take those steps themselves. Only the shareholder could and when the relationship had broken down, primarily because they wanted to make the club a MCO and Parish refused, that wasn’t going to happen. 

The responsibility lies entirely with Textor and if, as has been reported, further legal action is being contemplated it would appear most likely to be directed at him on the basis that Directors should always act in the best interests of the organisation. 

Attacks on Parish and Palace seem, in my opinion, to be misguided.

The plain and simple fact that Forest fans are attacking Parrish and Palace is because, it is those two that decided to smear our name through the courts and somehow put the blame onto Marinakis and NFFC. The latest slur on our owners character is that he is in an informal MCO with Textor, because we have bought a couple of players from his clubs. Ridiculous!
At the start of all of this, I was of the opinion that Palace should be allowed to remain in the Europa League and we take our place in the Conference, as Palace earned their place on sporting merit. However, the fact that Parrish, not Textor or anybody else associated with CPFC, apart from their fans, has constantly tried to blame all of this on Forest, even after the matter went to CAS and it was thrown out, has certainly swayed my opinion of the whole sorry affair.

Not once has Parrish or Textor held their hands up and said, OK, we did screw up, even if its a little bit, but no he has to keep on the charade that it is all down to Evangelis Marinakis and Nottingham Forest FC.

Can you answer me a question? In your opinion, which you are entitled to of course, why is it misguided of Forest fans to attack Parrish and Palace, yet it is perfectly fine for them to attack us? You say Palace and Parrish have done nothing wrong. But Forest and Marinakis havent either, but it seems ok for them to constantly whip up a frenzy amoungst Palace supporters just a week or so before the two sides play each other in the league, thus making it a very unsafe place for our fans to visit?

I look forward to a reasonable response

Parish, their owner/chairman/CEO (whatever he is), took the investment off Textor in the first place. He allowed the guy to buy into his club. Here's a Parish quote at the time:

"We have been looking for the right investment for the right investor for a while, both to progress the club and deal with the significant financial challenges of the past 18 months due to COVID"

So he took Textor's money to get Palace through the Covid period. Did it not occur to him at the time that he might need to impose a restriction on Textor buying another European club while holding Palace shares, or was he just so desperate to get the cash he took whatever deal was on offer? If you introduce people onto your board, do you not have discussions beforehand about matters such as these?

Didn’t wanna keep giving the guy column inches but he seriously contradicted himself. But if people really think he went into business with the guy and then never spoke to him again that’s f*****g insane and he gets what he deserves if he can’t run a business properly. There board meetings most be a f*****g joke I’d love to read the minutes

[Close Season Sid]

Whilst the likes of Sky and co keep lapping up and reporting every morsel of S**t that spews out of Parrish's mouth, then we are gonna be in the sights of any thick headed, rose tinted, knuckle dragging, gormless t**t going. Parrish (spit!) is churning out more and more bollocks every time he opens his mouth and the afore mentioned thick headed, rose tinted, knuckle dragging gormless twats are still sucking it all in. There are few Palace fans I have seen comment in the Athletic that have said their club f****d up, but the vast majority are still in denial about Palace being a part of an MCO and this is all down to EM and Forest? How the f**k they come to that conclusion, apart from listening to their sly, spineless, highly incompetent owner of course.

For me, I dont give a f**k about what Palace fans say TBH. If they are so stupid not to realise their own owner has royally f****d up big time and is looking to swerve the blame away from him, then that is on them.

What I do give a f**k about though is the potential for there to be violence at Selhurst Park in a couple of weeks time, when our travelling Red Army arrives there and our fans getting attacked. Parrish and his tub thumping, anti everything Nottingham Forest vitriol is whipping his fans up into a frenzy and that can only lead to one thing. If this does happen, then I hope that the authorities have the guts to arrest Parrish for inciting riots, using words and behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace etc. God forbid anything does happen, but if any of our fans do get hurt at Selhurst Park, I hope they take Parrish to court and sue the b*****d!  :Anger:

It is quite bizarre how some of their fans still think this is none of Parish’s or Palace’s fault. Admittedly many are now gunning for Textor but of course his and Marinakis’s friendship appears to continue to fan the flames and keep up their imagination that this is Forest’s fault.

Anyway, what is refreshing as you say is that some fans are now looking inwards but also, the changing views of some of the media. Yes, good ol Sky’s chief correspondent/Palace fan is still spinning the sob story but likes of Simon Jordan, Jim White and others are telling it as it is. As days go by I’m sure more will follow and as we move into the season and Chelsea, Liverpool, Utd etc kick-off their new season Sky and the rest will forget all about little ol Palace.

I have been following this thread for a while! Ignoring all the vitriol I am intrigued to know why folk think that what has happened, to Forest’s benefit and Palace’s loss, is the responsibility of Parish. He, or his club, have no control over shares owned by another shareholder. The most that could have been done was identify an issue, point it out and request that steps were taken. They could not take those steps themselves. Only the shareholder could and when the relationship had broken down, primarily because they wanted to make the club a MCO and Parish refused, that wasn’t going to happen. 

The responsibility lies entirely with Textor and if, as has been reported, further legal action is being contemplated it would appear most likely to be directed at him on the basis that Directors should always act in the best interests of the organisation. 

Attacks on Parish and Palace seem, in my opinion, to be misguided.

The plain and simple fact that Forest fans are attacking Parrish and Palace is because, it is those two that decided to smear our name through the courts and somehow put the blame onto Marinakis and NFFC. The latest slur on our owners character is that he is in an informal MCO with Textor, because we have bought a couple of players from his clubs. Ridiculous!
At the start of all of this, I was of the opinion that Palace should be allowed to remain in the Europa League and we take our place in the Conference, as Palace earned their place on sporting merit. However, the fact that Parrish, not Textor or anybody else associated with CPFC, apart from their fans, has constantly tried to blame all of this on Forest, even after the matter went to CAS and it was thrown out, has certainly swayed my opinion of the whole sorry affair.

Not once has Parrish or Textor held their hands up and said, OK, we did screw up, even if its a little bit, but no he has to keep on the charade that it is all down to Evangelis Marinakis and Nottingham Forest FC.

Can you answer me a question? In your opinion, which you are entitled to of course, why is it misguided of Forest fans to attack Parrish and Palace, yet it is perfectly fine for them to attack us? You say Palace and Parrish have done nothing wrong. But Forest and Marinakis havent either, but it seems ok for them to constantly whip up a frenzy amoungst Palace supporters just a week or so before the two sides play each other in the league, thus making it a very unsafe place for our fans to visit?

I look forward to a reasonable response

Parish, their owner/chairman/CEO (whatever he is), took the investment off Textor in the first place. He allowed the guy to buy into his club. Here's a Parish quote at the time:

"We have been looking for the right investment for the right investor for a while, both to progress the club and deal with the significant financial challenges of the past 18 months due to COVID"

So he took Textor's money to get Palace through the Covid period. Did it not occur to him at the time that he might need to impose a restriction on Textor buying another European club while holding Palace shares, or was he just so desperate to get the cash he took whatever deal was on offer? If you introduce people onto your board, do you not have discussions beforehand about matters such as these?

I’ll answer both of the last posts here, if I may. I think it’s misguided to attack Parish and Palace because they were powerless to affect this, even if they believed they were part of an MCO, even by UEFA’s illogical reasoning or that an arbitrary date applied to them, but not to others. Forest fans, along with any others like Simon Jordan, get criticised for failing to understand that. They also get criticised for the hypocrisy involved in defending the fig leaf of a whitewash that UEFA have allowed to disguise those who truly are MCO’s. Proper fans can see that whichever club they support and defending the indefensible does Forest no favours in the wider football community. 

Rules might be rules but they aren’t laws and any rule that fails to achieve its stated purpose runs the risk of being declared unlawful by a Court and compensation awarded for consequential losses. The problem here being that every club has to agree to the rules on joining so it would take a clever lawyer to work out the strategy. 

Aside from that it seems obvious that Palace and their lawyers must have had sight of the correspondence between OL and UEFA and Forest and UEFA. You wouldn’t hame them a co-respondents otherwise. It is known that there are factions within UEFA, one of whom is sympathetic to Palace’s case. That correspondence was requested to be disclosed and for witnessed to be cross examined. This was refused. It wouldn’t be in a Court. 

So Palace fans also criticise Forest fans for thinking this is all down to a schoolboy error by Parish when it’s very much more complicated than that. The integrity of football is in play here, which is something we should all agree about, putting rivalry aside. 

Yes, during Covid, Parish welcomed Textor’s investment but at the time Palace were the only club he had any interest in and it had been agreed he would hold limited voting rights. OL came later and caused them to fall out, for Textor to first try to acquire the whole club, then buy Everton before deciding to sell. Parish is passionately opposed to the whole idea of MCO in football. The fans were always suspicious about Textor and have made several protests about him. Parish is foremost a fan. He is at one with them. Unlike some Chairmen. 

I trust that’s reasonable enough and that the rhetoric can now be tuned out.

[Fumanchew]

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We’re not the choir you need to be preaching to. We don’t care and are just enjoying the schadenfreude.

[wassy04]

It is quite bizarre how some of their fans still think this is none of Parish’s or Palace’s fault. Admittedly many are now gunning for Textor but of course his and Marinakis’s friendship appears to continue to fan the flames and keep up their imagination that this is Forest’s fault.

Anyway, what is refreshing as you say is that some fans are now looking inwards but also, the changing views of some of the media. Yes, good ol Sky’s chief correspondent/Palace fan is still spinning the sob story but likes of Simon Jordan, Jim White and others are telling it as it is. As days go by I’m sure more will follow and as we move into the season and Chelsea, Liverpool, Utd etc kick-off their new season Sky and the rest will forget all about little ol Palace.

I have been following this thread for a while! Ignoring all the vitriol I am intrigued to know why folk think that what has happened, to Forest’s benefit and Palace’s loss, is the responsibility of Parish. He, or his club, have no control over shares owned by another shareholder. The most that could have been done was identify an issue, point it out and request that steps were taken. They could not take those steps themselves. Only the shareholder could and when the relationship had broken down, primarily because they wanted to make the club a MCO and Parish refused, that wasn’t going to happen. 

The responsibility lies entirely with Textor and if, as has been reported, further legal action is being contemplated it would appear most likely to be directed at him on the basis that Directors should always act in the best interests of the organisation. 

Attacks on Parish and Palace seem, in my opinion, to be misguided.

The plain and simple fact that Forest fans are attacking Parrish and Palace is because, it is those two that decided to smear our name through the courts and somehow put the blame onto Marinakis and NFFC. The latest slur on our owners character is that he is in an informal MCO with Textor, because we have bought a couple of players from his clubs. Ridiculous!
At the start of all of this, I was of the opinion that Palace should be allowed to remain in the Europa League and we take our place in the Conference, as Palace earned their place on sporting merit. However, the fact that Parrish, not Textor or anybody else associated with CPFC, apart from their fans, has constantly tried to blame all of this on Forest, even after the matter went to CAS and it was thrown out, has certainly swayed my opinion of the whole sorry affair.

Not once has Parrish or Textor held their hands up and said, OK, we did screw up, even if its a little bit, but no he has to keep on the charade that it is all down to Evangelis Marinakis and Nottingham Forest FC.

Can you answer me a question? In your opinion, which you are entitled to of course, why is it misguided of Forest fans to attack Parrish and Palace, yet it is perfectly fine for them to attack us? You say Palace and Parrish have done nothing wrong. But Forest and Marinakis havent either, but it seems ok for them to constantly whip up a frenzy amoungst Palace supporters just a week or so before the two sides play each other in the league, thus making it a very unsafe place for our fans to visit?

I look forward to a reasonable response

Parish, their owner/chairman/CEO (whatever he is), took the investment off Textor in the first place. He allowed the guy to buy into his club. Here's a Parish quote at the time:

"We have been looking for the right investment for the right investor for a while, both to progress the club and deal with the significant financial challenges of the past 18 months due to COVID"

So he took Textor's money to get Palace through the Covid period. Did it not occur to him at the time that he might need to impose a restriction on Textor buying another European club while holding Palace shares, or was he just so desperate to get the cash he took whatever deal was on offer? If you introduce people onto your board, do you not have discussions beforehand about matters such as these?

I’ll answer both of the last posts here, if I may. I think it’s misguided to attack Parish and Palace because they were powerless to affect this, even if they believed they were part of an MCO, even by UEFA’s illogical reasoning or that an arbitrary date applied to them, but not to others. Forest fans, along with any others like Simon Jordan, get criticised for failing to understand that. They also get criticised for the hypocrisy involved in defending the fig leaf of a whitewash that UEFA have allowed to disguise those who truly are MCO’s. Proper fans can see that whichever club they support and defending the indefensible does Forest no favours in the wider football community. 

Rules might be rules but they aren’t laws and any rule that fails to achieve its stated purpose runs the risk of being declared unlawful by a Court and compensation awarded for consequential losses. The problem here being that every club has to agree to the rules on joining so it would take a clever lawyer to work out the strategy. 

Aside from that it seems obvious that Palace and their lawyers must have had sight of the correspondence between OL and UEFA and Forest and UEFA. You wouldn’t hame them a co-respondents otherwise. It is known that there are factions within UEFA, one of whom is sympathetic to Palace’s case. That correspondence was requested to be disclosed and for witnessed to be cross examined. This was refused. It wouldn’t be in a Court. 

So Palace fans also criticise Forest fans for thinking this is all down to a schoolboy error by Parish when it’s very much more complicated than that. The integrity of football is in play here, which is something we should all agree about, putting rivalry aside. 

Yes, during Covid, Parish welcomed Textor’s investment but at the time Palace were the only club he had any interest in and it had been agreed he would hold limited voting rights. OL came later and caused them to fall out, for Textor to first try to acquire the whole club, then buy Everton before deciding to sell. Parish is passionately opposed to the whole idea of MCO in football. The fans were always suspicious about Textor and have made several protests about him. Parish is foremost a fan. He is at one with them. Unlike some Chairmen. 

I trust that’s reasonable enough and that the rhetoric can now be tuned out.

So why was Parish blaming Forest? Or are you just going to ignore that bit again? Do you believe that is acceptable for him to blame Marinakis?

[Paplane]

It is quite bizarre how some of their fans still think this is none of Parish’s or Palace’s fault. Admittedly many are now gunning for Textor but of course his and Marinakis’s friendship appears to continue to fan the flames and keep up their imagination that this is Forest’s fault.

Anyway, what is refreshing as you say is that some fans are now looking inwards but also, the changing views of some of the media. Yes, good ol Sky’s chief correspondent/Palace fan is still spinning the sob story but likes of Simon Jordan, Jim White and others are telling it as it is. As days go by I’m sure more will follow and as we move into the season and Chelsea, Liverpool, Utd etc kick-off their new season Sky and the rest will forget all about little ol Palace.

I have been following this thread for a while! Ignoring all the vitriol I am intrigued to know why folk think that what has happened, to Forest’s benefit and Palace’s loss, is the responsibility of Parish. He, or his club, have no control over shares owned by another shareholder. The most that could have been done was identify an issue, point it out and request that steps were taken. They could not take those steps themselves. Only the shareholder could and when the relationship had broken down, primarily because they wanted to make the club a MCO and Parish refused, that wasn’t going to happen. 

The responsibility lies entirely with Textor and if, as has been reported, further legal action is being contemplated it would appear most likely to be directed at him on the basis that Directors should always act in the best interests of the organisation. 

Attacks on Parish and Palace seem, in my opinion, to be misguided.

The plain and simple fact that Forest fans are attacking Parrish and Palace is because, it is those two that decided to smear our name through the courts and somehow put the blame onto Marinakis and NFFC. The latest slur on our owners character is that he is in an informal MCO with Textor, because we have bought a couple of players from his clubs. Ridiculous!
At the start of all of this, I was of the opinion that Palace should be allowed to remain in the Europa League and we take our place in the Conference, as Palace earned their place on sporting merit. However, the fact that Parrish, not Textor or anybody else associated with CPFC, apart from their fans, has constantly tried to blame all of this on Forest, even after the matter went to CAS and it was thrown out, has certainly swayed my opinion of the whole sorry affair.

Not once has Parrish or Textor held their hands up and said, OK, we did screw up, even if its a little bit, but no he has to keep on the charade that it is all down to Evangelis Marinakis and Nottingham Forest FC.

Can you answer me a question? In your opinion, which you are entitled to of course, why is it misguided of Forest fans to attack Parrish and Palace, yet it is perfectly fine for them to attack us? You say Palace and Parrish have done nothing wrong. But Forest and Marinakis havent either, but it seems ok for them to constantly whip up a frenzy amoungst Palace supporters just a week or so before the two sides play each other in the league, thus making it a very unsafe place for our fans to visit?

I look forward to a reasonable response

Parish, their owner/chairman/CEO (whatever he is), took the investment off Textor in the first place. He allowed the guy to buy into his club. Here's a Parish quote at the time:

"We have been looking for the right investment for the right investor for a while, both to progress the club and deal with the significant financial challenges of the past 18 months due to COVID"

So he took Textor's money to get Palace through the Covid period. Did it not occur to him at the time that he might need to impose a restriction on Textor buying another European club while holding Palace shares, or was he just so desperate to get the cash he took whatever deal was on offer? If you introduce people onto your board, do you not have discussions beforehand about matters such as these?

I’ll answer both of the last posts here, if I may. I think it’s misguided to attack Parish and Palace because they were powerless to affect this, even if they believed they were part of an MCO, even by UEFA’s illogical reasoning or that an arbitrary date applied to them, but not to others. Forest fans, along with any others like Simon Jordan, get criticised for failing to understand that. They also get criticised for the hypocrisy involved in defending the fig leaf of a whitewash that UEFA have allowed to disguise those who truly are MCO’s. Proper fans can see that whichever club they support and defending the indefensible does Forest no favours in the wider football community. 

Rules might be rules but they aren’t laws and any rule that fails to achieve its stated purpose runs the risk of being declared unlawful by a Court and compensation awarded for consequential losses. The problem here being that every club has to agree to the rules on joining so it would take a clever lawyer to work out the strategy. 

Aside from that it seems obvious that Palace and their lawyers must have had sight of the correspondence between OL and UEFA and Forest and UEFA. You wouldn’t hame them a co-respondents otherwise. It is known that there are factions within UEFA, one of whom is sympathetic to Palace’s case. That correspondence was requested to be disclosed and for witnessed to be cross examined. This was refused. It wouldn’t be in a Court. 

So Palace fans also criticise Forest fans for thinking this is all down to a schoolboy error by Parish when it’s very much more complicated than that. The integrity of football is in play here, which is something we should all agree about, putting rivalry aside. 

Yes, during Covid, Parish welcomed Textor’s investment but at the time Palace were the only club he had any interest in and it had been agreed he would hold limited voting rights. OL came later and caused them to fall out, for Textor to first try to acquire the whole club, then buy Everton before deciding to sell. Parish is passionately opposed to the whole idea of MCO in football. The fans were always suspicious about Textor and have made several protests about him. Parish is foremost a fan. He is at one with them. Unlike some Chairmen. 

I trust that’s reasonable enough and that the rhetoric can now be tuned out.

Mate, go back to whichever Palace forum you came from. That's the biggest load of rubbish I've heard in ages. Honestly, you and your Palace mates are absolutely delusional. You go on about "illogical reasoning", "arbitrary dates", "whitewashes". Oh my. It's gone, all of that has been tested in a court now and those arguments have failed. As for carping on about a witness not being allowed to be cross examined, oh my word, what utter shite that is. 

Honestly, it's like you've all been taken over by a cult or something.

[Close Season Sid]

I have been following this thread for a while! Ignoring all the vitriol I am intrigued to know why folk think that what has happened, to Forest’s benefit and Palace’s loss, is the responsibility of Parish. He, or his club, have no control over shares owned by another shareholder. The most that could have been done was identify an issue, point it out and request that steps were taken. They could not take those steps themselves. Only the shareholder could and when the relationship had broken down, primarily because they wanted to make the club a MCO and Parish refused, that wasn’t going to happen. 

The responsibility lies entirely with Textor and if, as has been reported, further legal action is being contemplated it would appear most likely to be directed at him on the basis that Directors should always act in the best interests of the organisation. 

Attacks on Parish and Palace seem, in my opinion, to be misguided.

The plain and simple fact that Forest fans are attacking Parrish and Palace is because, it is those two that decided to smear our name through the courts and somehow put the blame onto Marinakis and NFFC. The latest slur on our owners character is that he is in an informal MCO with Textor, because we have bought a couple of players from his clubs. Ridiculous!
At the start of all of this, I was of the opinion that Palace should be allowed to remain in the Europa League and we take our place in the Conference, as Palace earned their place on sporting merit. However, the fact that Parrish, not Textor or anybody else associated with CPFC, apart from their fans, has constantly tried to blame all of this on Forest, even after the matter went to CAS and it was thrown out, has certainly swayed my opinion of the whole sorry affair.

Not once has Parrish or Textor held their hands up and said, OK, we did screw up, even if its a little bit, but no he has to keep on the charade that it is all down to Evangelis Marinakis and Nottingham Forest FC.

Can you answer me a question? In your opinion, which you are entitled to of course, why is it misguided of Forest fans to attack Parrish and Palace, yet it is perfectly fine for them to attack us? You say Palace and Parrish have done nothing wrong. But Forest and Marinakis havent either, but it seems ok for them to constantly whip up a frenzy amoungst Palace supporters just a week or so before the two sides play each other in the league, thus making it a very unsafe place for our fans to visit?

I look forward to a reasonable response

Parish, their owner/chairman/CEO (whatever he is), took the investment off Textor in the first place. He allowed the guy to buy into his club. Here's a Parish quote at the time:

"We have been looking for the right investment for the right investor for a while, both to progress the club and deal with the significant financial challenges of the past 18 months due to COVID"

So he took Textor's money to get Palace through the Covid period. Did it not occur to him at the time that he might need to impose a restriction on Textor buying another European club while holding Palace shares, or was he just so desperate to get the cash he took whatever deal was on offer? If you introduce people onto your board, do you not have discussions beforehand about matters such as these?

I’ll answer both of the last posts here, if I may. I think it’s misguided to attack Parish and Palace because they were powerless to affect this, even if they believed they were part of an MCO, even by UEFA’s illogical reasoning or that an arbitrary date applied to them, but not to others. Forest fans, along with any others like Simon Jordan, get criticised for failing to understand that. They also get criticised for the hypocrisy involved in defending the fig leaf of a whitewash that UEFA have allowed to disguise those who truly are MCO’s. Proper fans can see that whichever club they support and defending the indefensible does Forest no favours in the wider football community. 

Rules might be rules but they aren’t laws and any rule that fails to achieve its stated purpose runs the risk of being declared unlawful by a Court and compensation awarded for consequential losses. The problem here being that every club has to agree to the rules on joining so it would take a clever lawyer to work out the strategy. 

Aside from that it seems obvious that Palace and their lawyers must have had sight of the correspondence between OL and UEFA and Forest and UEFA. You wouldn’t hame them a co-respondents otherwise. It is known that there are factions within UEFA, one of whom is sympathetic to Palace’s case. That correspondence was requested to be disclosed and for witnessed to be cross examined. This was refused. It wouldn’t be in a Court. 

So Palace fans also criticise Forest fans for thinking this is all down to a schoolboy error by Parish when it’s very much more complicated than that. The integrity of football is in play here, which is something we should all agree about, putting rivalry aside. 

Yes, during Covid, Parish welcomed Textor’s investment but at the time Palace were the only club he had any interest in and it had been agreed he would hold limited voting rights. OL came later and caused them to fall out, for Textor to first try to acquire the whole club, then buy Everton before deciding to sell. Parish is passionately opposed to the whole idea of MCO in football. The fans were always suspicious about Textor and have made several protests about him. Parish is foremost a fan. He is at one with them. Unlike some Chairmen. 

I trust that’s reasonable enough and that the rhetoric can now be tuned out.

So why was Parish blaming Forest? Or are you just going to ignore that bit again? Do you believe that is acceptable for him to blame Marinakis?

Why do you think Parish was blaming Forest? I haven’t ignored it because he hasn’t. Not yet! The club requested the disclosure of the correspondence between UEFA and Forest but it wasn’t produced. It would be in Court proceedings. Why, if there is nothing to hide, wasn’t it produced? If entirely innocent it would end speculation and remove suspicion, whether it needed to or not. It could be done tomorrow but I bet it won’t. My guess is that Palace have either got a copy or know what it contains. Lawyers don’t request things they don’t already have. 

Marinakis has previous. It’s natural to be distrustful of those with such a reputation.

[BadDog]

The plain and simple fact that Forest fans are attacking Parrish and Palace is because, it is those two that decided to smear our name through the courts and somehow put the blame onto Marinakis and NFFC. The latest slur on our owners character is that he is in an informal MCO with Textor, because we have bought a couple of players from his clubs. Ridiculous!
At the start of all of this, I was of the opinion that Palace should be allowed to remain in the Europa League and we take our place in the Conference, as Palace earned their place on sporting merit. However, the fact that Parrish, not Textor or anybody else associated with CPFC, apart from their fans, has constantly tried to blame all of this on Forest, even after the matter went to CAS and it was thrown out, has certainly swayed my opinion of the whole sorry affair.

Not once has Parrish or Textor held their hands up and said, OK, we did screw up, even if its a little bit, but no he has to keep on the charade that it is all down to Evangelis Marinakis and Nottingham Forest FC.

Can you answer me a question? In your opinion, which you are entitled to of course, why is it misguided of Forest fans to attack Parrish and Palace, yet it is perfectly fine for them to attack us? You say Palace and Parrish have done nothing wrong. But Forest and Marinakis havent either, but it seems ok for them to constantly whip up a frenzy amoungst Palace supporters just a week or so before the two sides play each other in the league, thus making it a very unsafe place for our fans to visit?

I look forward to a reasonable response

Parish, their owner/chairman/CEO (whatever he is), took the investment off Textor in the first place. He allowed the guy to buy into his club. Here's a Parish quote at the time:

"We have been looking for the right investment for the right investor for a while, both to progress the club and deal with the significant financial challenges of the past 18 months due to COVID"

So he took Textor's money to get Palace through the Covid period. Did it not occur to him at the time that he might need to impose a restriction on Textor buying another European club while holding Palace shares, or was he just so desperate to get the cash he took whatever deal was on offer? If you introduce people onto your board, do you not have discussions beforehand about matters such as these?

I’ll answer both of the last posts here, if I may. I think it’s misguided to attack Parish and Palace because they were powerless to affect this, even if they believed they were part of an MCO, even by UEFA’s illogical reasoning or that an arbitrary date applied to them, but not to others. Forest fans, along with any others like Simon Jordan, get criticised for failing to understand that. They also get criticised for the hypocrisy involved in defending the fig leaf of a whitewash that UEFA have allowed to disguise those who truly are MCO’s. Proper fans can see that whichever club they support and defending the indefensible does Forest no favours in the wider football community. 

Rules might be rules but they aren’t laws and any rule that fails to achieve its stated purpose runs the risk of being declared unlawful by a Court and compensation awarded for consequential losses. The problem here being that every club has to agree to the rules on joining so it would take a clever lawyer to work out the strategy. 

Aside from that it seems obvious that Palace and their lawyers must have had sight of the correspondence between OL and UEFA and Forest and UEFA. You wouldn’t hame them a co-respondents otherwise. It is known that there are factions within UEFA, one of whom is sympathetic to Palace’s case. That correspondence was requested to be disclosed and for witnessed to be cross examined. This was refused. It wouldn’t be in a Court. 

So Palace fans also criticise Forest fans for thinking this is all down to a schoolboy error by Parish when it’s very much more complicated than that. The integrity of football is in play here, which is something we should all agree about, putting rivalry aside. 

Yes, during Covid, Parish welcomed Textor’s investment but at the time Palace were the only club he had any interest in and it had been agreed he would hold limited voting rights. OL came later and caused them to fall out, for Textor to first try to acquire the whole club, then buy Everton before deciding to sell. Parish is passionately opposed to the whole idea of MCO in football. The fans were always suspicious about Textor and have made several protests about him. Parish is foremost a fan. He is at one with them. Unlike some Chairmen. 

I trust that’s reasonable enough and that the rhetoric can now be tuned out.

So why was Parish blaming Forest? Or are you just going to ignore that bit again? Do you believe that is acceptable for him to blame Marinakis?

Why do you think Parish was blaming Forest? I haven’t ignored it because he hasn’t. Not yet! The club requested the disclosure of the correspondence between UEFA and Forest but it wasn’t produced. It would be in Court proceedings. Why, if there is nothing to hide, wasn’t it produced? If entirely innocent it would end speculation and remove suspicion, whether it needed to or not. It could be done tomorrow but I bet it won’t. My guess is that Palace have either got a copy or know what it contains. Lawyers don’t request things they don’t already have. 

Marinakis has previous. It’s natural to be distrustful of those with such a reputation.

Of course f*****g lawyers can request things they don't have? You are a grade A Whopper.

[Close Season Sid]

I have been following this thread for a while! Ignoring all the vitriol I am intrigued to know why folk think that what has happened, to Forest’s benefit and Palace’s loss, is the responsibility of Parish. He, or his club, have no control over shares owned by another shareholder. The most that could have been done was identify an issue, point it out and request that steps were taken. They could not take those steps themselves. Only the shareholder could and when the relationship had broken down, primarily because they wanted to make the club a MCO and Parish refused, that wasn’t going to happen. 

The responsibility lies entirely with Textor and if, as has been reported, further legal action is being contemplated it would appear most likely to be directed at him on the basis that Directors should always act in the best interests of the organisation. 

Attacks on Parish and Palace seem, in my opinion, to be misguided.

The plain and simple fact that Forest fans are attacking Parrish and Palace is because, it is those two that decided to smear our name through the courts and somehow put the blame onto Marinakis and NFFC. The latest slur on our owners character is that he is in an informal MCO with Textor, because we have bought a couple of players from his clubs. Ridiculous!
At the start of all of this, I was of the opinion that Palace should be allowed to remain in the Europa League and we take our place in the Conference, as Palace earned their place on sporting merit. However, the fact that Parrish, not Textor or anybody else associated with CPFC, apart from their fans, has constantly tried to blame all of this on Forest, even after the matter went to CAS and it was thrown out, has certainly swayed my opinion of the whole sorry affair.

Not once has Parrish or Textor held their hands up and said, OK, we did screw up, even if its a little bit, but no he has to keep on the charade that it is all down to Evangelis Marinakis and Nottingham Forest FC.

Can you answer me a question? In your opinion, which you are entitled to of course, why is it misguided of Forest fans to attack Parrish and Palace, yet it is perfectly fine for them to attack us? You say Palace and Parrish have done nothing wrong. But Forest and Marinakis havent either, but it seems ok for them to constantly whip up a frenzy amoungst Palace supporters just a week or so before the two sides play each other in the league, thus making it a very unsafe place for our fans to visit?

I look forward to a reasonable response

Parish, their owner/chairman/CEO (whatever he is), took the investment off Textor in the first place. He allowed the guy to buy into his club. Here's a Parish quote at the time:

"We have been looking for the right investment for the right investor for a while, both to progress the club and deal with the significant financial challenges of the past 18 months due to COVID"

So he took Textor's money to get Palace through the Covid period. Did it not occur to him at the time that he might need to impose a restriction on Textor buying another European club while holding Palace shares, or was he just so desperate to get the cash he took whatever deal was on offer? If you introduce people onto your board, do you not have discussions beforehand about matters such as these?

I’ll answer both of the last posts here, if I may. I think it’s misguided to attack Parish and Palace because they were powerless to affect this, even if they believed they were part of an MCO, even by UEFA’s illogical reasoning or that an arbitrary date applied to them, but not to others. Forest fans, along with any others like Simon Jordan, get criticised for failing to understand that. They also get criticised for the hypocrisy involved in defending the fig leaf of a whitewash that UEFA have allowed to disguise those who truly are MCO’s. Proper fans can see that whichever club they support and defending the indefensible does Forest no favours in the wider football community. 

Rules might be rules but they aren’t laws and any rule that fails to achieve its stated purpose runs the risk of being declared unlawful by a Court and compensation awarded for consequential losses. The problem here being that every club has to agree to the rules on joining so it would take a clever lawyer to work out the strategy. 

Aside from that it seems obvious that Palace and their lawyers must have had sight of the correspondence between OL and UEFA and Forest and UEFA. You wouldn’t hame them a co-respondents otherwise. It is known that there are factions within UEFA, one of whom is sympathetic to Palace’s case. That correspondence was requested to be disclosed and for witnessed to be cross examined. This was refused. It wouldn’t be in a Court. 

So Palace fans also criticise Forest fans for thinking this is all down to a schoolboy error by Parish when it’s very much more complicated than that. The integrity of football is in play here, which is something we should all agree about, putting rivalry aside. 

Yes, during Covid, Parish welcomed Textor’s investment but at the time Palace were the only club he had any interest in and it had been agreed he would hold limited voting rights. OL came later and caused them to fall out, for Textor to first try to acquire the whole club, then buy Everton before deciding to sell. Parish is passionately opposed to the whole idea of MCO in football. The fans were always suspicious about Textor and have made several protests about him. Parish is foremost a fan. He is at one with them. Unlike some Chairmen. 

I trust that’s reasonable enough and that the rhetoric can now be tuned out.

Mate, go back to whichever Palace forum you came from. That's the biggest load of rubbish I've heard in ages. Honestly, you and your Palace mates are absolutely delusional. You go on about "illogical reasoning", "arbitrary dates", "whitewashes". Oh my. It's gone, all of that has been tested in a court now and those arguments have failed. As for carping on about a witness not being allowed to be cross examined, oh my word, what utter shite that is. 

Honestly, it's like you've all been taken over by a cult or something.

I regret to tell you that the stance you take above, which seems to be shared by some other Forest fans, is what is delusional. 

It’s not “gone”. Only the illogical decision has reached the point of no return but the underlying issue of the poor quality of governance from EUFA is much more important and that hasn’t gone anywhere. This decision has put it out in the open and under a spotlight. When an appeal arrangement is unable to truly examine the evidence something is clearly wrong.

We are about to have a new football regulator, charged with ensuring the heritage of our clubs is not undermined by overseas money. I anticipate the fit and proper person test to be significantly tightened and probably retrospectively applied. Do we really want our clubs run by oil rich sheiks, Russian pals of Putin, American speculators or Greek billionaires whose wealth origins have question marks hanging over them? 

I expect a file about this case to be top of the new regulators’s inbox.

[wassy04]

The plain and simple fact that Forest fans are attacking Parrish and Palace is because, it is those two that decided to smear our name through the courts and somehow put the blame onto Marinakis and NFFC. The latest slur on our owners character is that he is in an informal MCO with Textor, because we have bought a couple of players from his clubs. Ridiculous!
At the start of all of this, I was of the opinion that Palace should be allowed to remain in the Europa League and we take our place in the Conference, as Palace earned their place on sporting merit. However, the fact that Parrish, not Textor or anybody else associated with CPFC, apart from their fans, has constantly tried to blame all of this on Forest, even after the matter went to CAS and it was thrown out, has certainly swayed my opinion of the whole sorry affair.

Not once has Parrish or Textor held their hands up and said, OK, we did screw up, even if its a little bit, but no he has to keep on the charade that it is all down to Evangelis Marinakis and Nottingham Forest FC.

Can you answer me a question? In your opinion, which you are entitled to of course, why is it misguided of Forest fans to attack Parrish and Palace, yet it is perfectly fine for them to attack us? You say Palace and Parrish have done nothing wrong. But Forest and Marinakis havent either, but it seems ok for them to constantly whip up a frenzy amoungst Palace supporters just a week or so before the two sides play each other in the league, thus making it a very unsafe place for our fans to visit?

I look forward to a reasonable response

Parish, their owner/chairman/CEO (whatever he is), took the investment off Textor in the first place. He allowed the guy to buy into his club. Here's a Parish quote at the time:

"We have been looking for the right investment for the right investor for a while, both to progress the club and deal with the significant financial challenges of the past 18 months due to COVID"

So he took Textor's money to get Palace through the Covid period. Did it not occur to him at the time that he might need to impose a restriction on Textor buying another European club while holding Palace shares, or was he just so desperate to get the cash he took whatever deal was on offer? If you introduce people onto your board, do you not have discussions beforehand about matters such as these?

I’ll answer both of the last posts here, if I may. I think it’s misguided to attack Parish and Palace because they were powerless to affect this, even if they believed they were part of an MCO, even by UEFA’s illogical reasoning or that an arbitrary date applied to them, but not to others. Forest fans, along with any others like Simon Jordan, get criticised for failing to understand that. They also get criticised for the hypocrisy involved in defending the fig leaf of a whitewash that UEFA have allowed to disguise those who truly are MCO’s. Proper fans can see that whichever club they support and defending the indefensible does Forest no favours in the wider football community. 

Rules might be rules but they aren’t laws and any rule that fails to achieve its stated purpose runs the risk of being declared unlawful by a Court and compensation awarded for consequential losses. The problem here being that every club has to agree to the rules on joining so it would take a clever lawyer to work out the strategy. 

Aside from that it seems obvious that Palace and their lawyers must have had sight of the correspondence between OL and UEFA and Forest and UEFA. You wouldn’t hame them a co-respondents otherwise. It is known that there are factions within UEFA, one of whom is sympathetic to Palace’s case. That correspondence was requested to be disclosed and for witnessed to be cross examined. This was refused. It wouldn’t be in a Court. 

So Palace fans also criticise Forest fans for thinking this is all down to a schoolboy error by Parish when it’s very much more complicated than that. The integrity of football is in play here, which is something we should all agree about, putting rivalry aside. 

Yes, during Covid, Parish welcomed Textor’s investment but at the time Palace were the only club he had any interest in and it had been agreed he would hold limited voting rights. OL came later and caused them to fall out, for Textor to first try to acquire the whole club, then buy Everton before deciding to sell. Parish is passionately opposed to the whole idea of MCO in football. The fans were always suspicious about Textor and have made several protests about him. Parish is foremost a fan. He is at one with them. Unlike some Chairmen. 

I trust that’s reasonable enough and that the rhetoric can now be tuned out.

So why was Parish blaming Forest? Or are you just going to ignore that bit again? Do you believe that is acceptable for him to blame Marinakis?

Why do you think Parish was blaming Forest? I haven’t ignored it because he hasn’t. Not yet! The club requested the disclosure of the correspondence between UEFA and Forest but it wasn’t produced. It would be in Court proceedings. Why, if there is nothing to hide, wasn’t it produced? If entirely innocent it would end speculation and remove suspicion, whether it needed to or not. It could be done tomorrow but I bet it won’t. My guess is that Palace have either got a copy or know what it contains. Lawyers don’t request things they don’t already have. 

Marinakis has previous. It’s natural to be distrustful of those with such a reputation.

Quote from Steve Parish:

"We are led to believe that that is the issue; that if there wasn't somebody that wanted to get in [into the Europa League] as a consequence, then there wouldn't be a problem"

There were other similar statements implying the same too but this was the worst one and the source of most of the anger directed at Parish from Forest fans.

We don't care about the court case, we'd have accepted whichever resolution happened. We do care about other teams owners whipping up hate towards us and deflecting from their own mistakes.

[BadDog]

Parish, their owner/chairman/CEO (whatever he is), took the investment off Textor in the first place. He allowed the guy to buy into his club. Here's a Parish quote at the time:

"We have been looking for the right investment for the right investor for a while, both to progress the club and deal with the significant financial challenges of the past 18 months due to COVID"

So he took Textor's money to get Palace through the Covid period. Did it not occur to him at the time that he might need to impose a restriction on Textor buying another European club while holding Palace shares, or was he just so desperate to get the cash he took whatever deal was on offer? If you introduce people onto your board, do you not have discussions beforehand about matters such as these?

I’ll answer both of the last posts here, if I may. I think it’s misguided to attack Parish and Palace because they were powerless to affect this, even if they believed they were part of an MCO, even by UEFA’s illogical reasoning or that an arbitrary date applied to them, but not to others. Forest fans, along with any others like Simon Jordan, get criticised for failing to understand that. They also get criticised for the hypocrisy involved in defending the fig leaf of a whitewash that UEFA have allowed to disguise those who truly are MCO’s. Proper fans can see that whichever club they support and defending the indefensible does Forest no favours in the wider football community. 

Rules might be rules but they aren’t laws and any rule that fails to achieve its stated purpose runs the risk of being declared unlawful by a Court and compensation awarded for consequential losses. The problem here being that every club has to agree to the rules on joining so it would take a clever lawyer to work out the strategy. 

Aside from that it seems obvious that Palace and their lawyers must have had sight of the correspondence between OL and UEFA and Forest and UEFA. You wouldn’t hame them a co-respondents otherwise. It is known that there are factions within UEFA, one of whom is sympathetic to Palace’s case. That correspondence was requested to be disclosed and for witnessed to be cross examined. This was refused. It wouldn’t be in a Court. 

So Palace fans also criticise Forest fans for thinking this is all down to a schoolboy error by Parish when it’s very much more complicated than that. The integrity of football is in play here, which is something we should all agree about, putting rivalry aside. 

Yes, during Covid, Parish welcomed Textor’s investment but at the time Palace were the only club he had any interest in and it had been agreed he would hold limited voting rights. OL came later and caused them to fall out, for Textor to first try to acquire the whole club, then buy Everton before deciding to sell. Parish is passionately opposed to the whole idea of MCO in football. The fans were always suspicious about Textor and have made several protests about him. Parish is foremost a fan. He is at one with them. Unlike some Chairmen. 

I trust that’s reasonable enough and that the rhetoric can now be tuned out.

So why was Parish blaming Forest? Or are you just going to ignore that bit again? Do you believe that is acceptable for him to blame Marinakis?

Why do you think Parish was blaming Forest? I haven’t ignored it because he hasn’t. Not yet! The club requested the disclosure of the correspondence between UEFA and Forest but it wasn’t produced. It would be in Court proceedings. Why, if there is nothing to hide, wasn’t it produced? If entirely innocent it would end speculation and remove suspicion, whether it needed to or not. It could be done tomorrow but I bet it won’t. My guess is that Palace have either got a copy or know what it contains. Lawyers don’t request things they don’t already have. 

Marinakis has previous. It’s natural to be distrustful of those with such a reputation.

Quote from Steve Parish:

"We are led to believe that that is the issue; that if there wasn't somebody that wanted to get in [into the Europa League] as a consequence, then there wouldn't be a problem"

There were other similar statements implying the same too but this was the worst one and the source of most of the anger directed at Parish from Forest fans.

We don't care about the court case, we'd have accepted whichever resolution happened. We do care about other teams owners whipping up hate towards us and deflecting from their own mistakes.

CAS have said themselves in a statement not one objection was made by ANY side to their findings.

If Palace fans weren't so f*****g stupid they could see in that alone their chairman has used us to save face from his f*****g huge error.

Now please can all these Palace fans f**k off.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Oh racist as well? Lovely.

Maybe all english. clubs should be run like good honest english owners like Jason Whittingham. Or Dale and Day who ran Bury. Or maybe our very own Irving Scholar.

[Sausage Roll]

This thread needs to die.