The Premier League 2023/24

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I haven’t checked stats but I would be interested to know share of possession and number of shots etc Nuno vs Cooper.
Points are what matters obviously but I suspect we make games a much more even contest under Nuno.

Shooting wise under Nuno 138 shots 50 on target in 12 games - 11.5 shots, 4 on target per game
18 goals from 17.93 XG
Shooting wise under Cooper 185 shots 54 shots on target in 17 games - 10.8 shots, 3.2 on target per game 
17 goals from 18.83 XG

Possession wise 
Cooper - 39.6%
Nuno - 36.6%

So pretty similar more effective shooting though.

Good stuff thank you, pretty much sums up the points that we so far at least have not really improved.

Do you have the same stats defensively? 

It is also worth noting in Nuno's defence he has yet to play against Burnley or Sheff Utd or Palace or Everton so the stats should improve with the easier matches.

I was just reading am Athletic article that Nuno was booed briefly at the end of the game. The intangible factor of the unity provided by Cooper is a big miss.

I think this is a much underrated point. 

Not just between the group of players but also in the stands. 

I genuinely don’t feel the love for Nuno from those around me and, as such, I don’t feel everyone getting behind the same team with the same level of emotion and intensity. 

I do wonder how much of that seeps through to the pitch. 

To me it feels like we’re only a couple of terrible results from it being toxic. I didn’t feel like it was that close under his predecessor, and I was at Fulham away!!

Surely fans should support the club, not the manager?

The manager gave the club an identity and achieved something that no one had done in the previous 23 years, that resulted in an emotional attachment, hence why people keep referencing him.

I don't know if you go to games SR but if you've been in the away end since Nuno arrived it has, to me, felt different. There is a disconnect between the fans and players / management team.

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I haven’t checked stats but I would be interested to know share of possession and number of shots etc Nuno vs Cooper.
Points are what matters obviously but I suspect we make games a much more even contest under Nuno.

Shooting wise under Nuno 138 shots 50 on target in 12 games - 11.5 shots, 4 on target per game
18 goals from 17.93 XG
Shooting wise under Cooper 185 shots 54 shots on target in 17 games - 10.8 shots, 3.2 on target per game 
17 goals from 18.83 XG

Possession wise 
Cooper - 39.6%
Nuno - 36.6%

So pretty similar more effective shooting though.

Good stuff thank you, pretty much sums up the points that we so far at least have not really improved.

Do you have the same stats defensively? 

It is also worth noting in Nuno's defence he has yet to play against Burnley or Sheff Utd or Palace or Everton so the stats should improve with the easier matches.

I was just reading am Athletic article that Nuno was booed briefly at the end of the game. The intangible factor of the unity provided by Cooper is a big miss.

You are joking right?

Cooper more or less sacked himself.

He was barely  on speaking terms with anyone at the club when he left and he was struggling to put 11 players on the field who were willing to put a shift in for him.

The unity was zero and like I have said a thousand times he made his own position untenable. 

When is the penny going to drop with some of you lot?

I do wish you'd stop turning every thread into a conversation about Cooper  :fishing:

On a serious note, I didn't think that he had lost the players who played away at Wolves or at home against Spurs to be honest. The latter, for me, was purely on Matt Turner, a keeper that Steve had to rely upon and clearly not up to the required standard.

He's gone now mate, time to let it go.

[Shawoddyred]

Flippin Luton!? Ugh!

[DeesideRed]

Never rely on Spurs...

[The reds]

Got to say this league is utter dross, never been so bored with it. Everton fans giving up with another points deduction on the way, Luton fans starting to give up, Our fans are negative. The biggest anti competition in the world.

[The reds]

Wow Everton 89.1m loss recorded for 2022/23. Double Jeopardy defo not happening.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Everton 3 year loss is £255m

Assume they will stop banging on about how we breached more than them now?

[Marco Polo]

Christ alive. Surely that’s 6-8 points

[Salvatore Matrecano]

I am really looking forward to seeing how the Premier League apply their own fxxxed up logic to this. Because from our own ruling Everton were given 3 points mandatory deduction and then another 3 points for every £6.5m breach.
By my maths that is a total deduction of 26 points for them applying the same rules.

Alternatively again from our ruling they multiplied our percentage breach in excess of Everton (77%) to the the extra 3 points to come up with 5 (plus 3). This time the maths gives them a 500% increase so 15 points added to the mandatory 3 is an 18 point deduction.

Either way I want to see what ridiculous made up metric they will come up with. By the way I honestly do not wish either scenario on Everton, just looking forward to the PL making fools of themselves.

[Fumanchew]

Still a lot asking how can it be two deductions in one year.

Not realising the reporting period has been brought forward so deductions can be given in the year the breach happens, Everton should have been down last year.

Which would have f****d Leicester this year, so Everton would probably have been doing what Leicester are now

[wassy04]

I am really looking forward to seeing how the Premier League apply their own fxxxed up logic to this. Because from our own  ruling Everton were given 3 points mandatory deduction and then another 3 points for every £6.5m breach.
By my maths that is a total deduction of 26 points for them applying the same rules.

Alternatively again from our ruling they multiplied our percentage breach in excess of Everton (77%) to the the extra 3 points to come up with 5 (plus 3). This time the maths gives them a 500% increase so 15 points added to the mandatory 3 is an 18 point deduction.

Either way I want to see what ridiculous made up metric they will come up with. By the way I honestly do not wish either scenario on Everton, just looking forward to the PL making fools of themselves.

The 89m loss is before PSR deductions though. Not sure how much they'll actually have failed by. Twitter suggested 20-25m range

[The reds]

I am really looking forward to seeing how the Premier League apply their own fxxxed up logic to this. Because from our own  ruling Everton were given 3 points mandatory deduction and then another 3 points for every £6.5m breach.
By my maths that is a total deduction of 26 points for them applying the same rules.

Alternatively again from our ruling they multiplied our percentage breach in excess of Everton (77%) to the the extra 3 points to come up with 5 (plus 3). This time the maths gives them a 500% increase so 15 points added to the mandatory 3 is an 18 point deduction.

Either way I want to see what ridiculous made up metric they will come up with. By the way I honestly do not wish either scenario on Everton, just looking forward to the PL making fools of themselves.

The 89m loss is before PSR deductions though. Not sure how much they'll actually have failed by. Twitter suggested 20-25m range

I have seen 25-30m suggested doesn't bode well for them saying they were on a long term positive trend in the first hearing.