Stevie Cooper

[Fumanchew]

I am certain that if it was still 1-0 instead of 2-0 then Boly would have stayed on the pitch. I don't think he needed to come off and I am absolutely certain that he didn't ask to come off. We went 2-0 up thought the game was won and made 3 unnecessary changes.

Why do you think Steve went to the (national) media and made Boly complicit in a lie…

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I am certain that if it was still 1-0 instead of 2-0 then Boly would have stayed on the pitch. I don't think he needed to come off and I am absolutely certain that he didn't ask to come off. We went 2-0 up thought the game was won and made 3 unnecessary changes.

Why do you think Steve went to the (national) media and made Boly complicit in a lie…

As far as I am aware the only thing Steve said is that Boly had some jet lag. As far as I am aware he didn't say that Boly asked to come off or that he needed to come off, unless I missed something.

[zicorice]

I think the way we conceded the 2nd goal (and who- a sub- was involved) has taken away from the fact that the 1st goal involved 3 of the starters.

MGWs daft foul - I'd have replaced him at 2-0 as his work was done

Auriers excellent break dancing as he did the worm (suspect a meme in the making?)

Toffolos total lack of a reaction after Auriers worm failed to contact the ball.

If any of these 3 come off at 2-0 we could have won.or maybe lost 3-2 we will.never know. But first goal still happens regardless of whether Cooper made subs he did at 2-0 or not. Worrall (and Boly) do not defend that zone.

2nd goal of course was almost as sh1t as 1st though at least Adebayo had to demonstrate outstanding strength and control before his finish.

[Username]

Feels like you’re deflecting tbh.

[zicorice]

Feels like you’re deflecting tbh.

Not at all. Just pointing out subs weren't responsible for the equally crucial 1st goal that gave a team that had been fairly sh1t hope of getting something.

The 2nd goal is on Worrsll and Aina - both subs so of course he will cop some grief. 

It's another reason to hate international breaks.....

[Reds73]

I am certain that if it was still 1-0 instead of 2-0 then Boly would have stayed on the pitch. I don't think he needed to come off and I am absolutely certain that he didn't ask to come off. We went 2-0 up thought the game was won and made 3 unnecessary changes.

Why do you think Steve went to the (national) media and made Boly complicit in a lie…

As far as I am aware the only thing Steve said is that Boly had some jet lag. As far as I am aware he didn't say that Boly asked to come off or that he needed to come off, unless I missed something.

The analysts have all the in game data re a players levels. They all wear the vests that monitor heart rate, and physical performance.
I’m guessing his stats must have really dropped, in hindsight now though it looks a costly decision

[wassy04]

I guarantee if the exact same thing happens and Cooper doesn't make subs, he is criticised for not making them. You know why I know that because it's literally already happened repeatedly last season.

Let's copy Bournemouth though and get relegated shall we?

We're not a new manager away from top half. Regardless of investment (and remember we gave away our best player) this team is at best marginally better than last year and due to the current injuries, not as good. The idea that were underachieving is ridiculous.

Yes we should've beaten Luton, by the same logic we also should've lost to Chelsea and Palace. Not every game goes to the team that spends the most.

[Trailer Park Tom]

I don't think anyone can say Cooper didn't get that completely wrong. Echo what most have said, those three subs at the same time were ridiculous. Yates for Sangare, I understood that. Dominguez? Boly? Even if Boly was injured, Niakhate is a way better option against big forwards. It honestly felt like just giving the lads some minutes.

That is exactly what it was.

Sorry but I can’t let this one go.

His mates apparently…..

Sangare was on a yellow and visibly tiring. The options were Yates (who everyone said was indispensable last season quoting our win rate with him) or Santos or Aguilera neither of whom have played in the Premier League. Seriously who was the sensible option?

Boly we know has a poor injury record. If he felt a tweak he asked to come off. If he had stayed on and pulled a muscle he would be out for a month and we are well screwed. Felipe is the obvious alternative but injured. Niakhate is left footed as is Murillo so not ideal. Worrall is right footed and was excellent in his last game so again the obvious choice.

I assume you don’t mean Kouyate is one of his mates?  The sub for Dominguez is clearly the questionable one and which lost us all momentum but again he was the sensible option. If MGW hadn’t given away a stupid free kick (if the defender had made more of a meal he could have seen red for it) and Aurier hadnt given an impression of Tom Daly then we would all be praising Cooper for game management.

Totally agree switching all 3 at once cost us and suspect Cooper knows that himself but this minutes for mates stuff is simply ridiculous.

Last seasons win rate? we haven't won this season since he last started. All we needed to do was keep the same system for the Burnley game.

[ozzyten10]

After calming down Steve’s subs have generally been good. Saturday in hindsight terrible. It happens - we all make mistakes and Steve will learn from it- I’m sure. MGW last home match was dropped then come on and helped rescue a point making an incredible challenge for a breakaway. He messed up giving away a free kick that for some inexplicable reason Aurier decided to have a brain fart.

I blame this result on a very poor international break where they players we still had got injured and those on duty arriving late back from all over the world. How many of Luton’s players were away?

Also their subs worked and ours didn’t. Luton are the poorest side I have seen since being in the premiership though.

[Marinakis Red]

I guarantee if the exact same thing happens and Cooper doesn't make subs, he is criticised for not making them. You know why I know that because it's literally already happened repeatedly last season.

Let's copy Bournemouth though and get relegated shall we?

We're not a new manager away from top half. Regardless of investment (and remember we gave away our best player) this team is at best marginally better than last year and due to the current injuries, not as good. The idea that were underachieving is ridiculous.

Yes we should've beaten Luton, by the same logic we also should've lost to Chelsea and Palace. Not every game goes to the team that spends the most.

Just to play devil's advocate for a minute, we could copy Villa rather than Bournemouth.....

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Just to play devil's advocate for a minute, we could copy Villa rather than Bournemouth.....

That argument falls down because Villa replaced a crap manger in Gerrard with a decent one who turned out to be better than everyone expected. It wasn’t really much of a gamble though.

We have a decent manager in Cooper and one who is still learning in only his 4th season in senior football. In every one of those 4 seasons he has achieved a step better than the one before.
It seems to me to be a very very big and unnecessary gamble to ditch him because he hasnt wone for a few games (hasn’t lost either btw) and he made some substitutions we didn’t agree with.

You may have forgotten that it took us 22 years to finally find a good manager that fits us.

[Marinakis Red]

Just to play devil's advocate for a minute, we could copy Villa rather than Bournemouth.....

That argument falls down because Villa replaced a crap manger in Gerrard with a decent one who turned out to be better than everyone expected. It wasn’t really much of a gamble though.

We have a decent manager in Cooper and one who is still learning in only his 4th season in senior football. In every one of those 4 seasons he has achieved a step better than the one before.
It seems to me to be a very very big and unnecessary gamble to ditch him because he hasnt wone for a few games (hasn’t lost either btw) and he made some substitutions we didn’t agree with.

You may have forgotten that it took us 22 years to finally find a good manager that fits us.

For what it's worth I have no interest in seeing Cooper leave I was just giving a different narrative and playing devil's advocate. In his first season Gerrard was really rated at villa, his second didn't go so well.

Marinakis will however get rid of cooper if he feels he has an upgrade lined up.