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(08-04-2023, 07:59 PM)JollyLolly Wrote: We all seem to finally agree that we are destine to return to the Championship in a few months time, it's seemed that some on here to not really believed that it could actually happen until recently but its been pretty obvious to most not wearing rose tinted glasses. Let SC have the dignity to see the season out and then at that point he and the club can part company on good terms, just a failed project and no finger pointing or blame game. The club needs to undertake a complete review, identify all the collective mistakes and set a new plan to regain PL status and most of all retain said status.
You're allowed to want to keep the manager and also expect relegation you know. Those of us that have supported SC have been fully open about the likely relegation and that is be it is accepted we have the worst team in the league and that was before the injuries.
Which I have stated repeatedly and started repeated threads on the topic.
Rather than ignore the situation. Do you think another manager would've kept us up with the injuries we've had?
Which teams do you think have worse teams than us?
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Pap, hear what you say but has Sniffer as mentioned on a few occasions SC himself might want out at the seasons end? I think and have thought hard and long on this it may be the best time to part ways on good terms and both SC and Forest start afresh.
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Wassy, wanted nothing more but for Forest and SC to succeed this season but its been plain as the nose on your face for some time now that we are simply not good enough! SC and the club need to learn from this, coupled with the fact that we were NOT supposed to be promoted last season, I don't think that was the plan, it happened and as a wee Scotsman once said "it is what it is" we just went with the flow and have been found wanting with many deficiencies surrounding the club. If relegation does become a reality which seem very likely let come back stronger with or without SC.
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(08-04-2023, 08:15 PM)JollyLolly Wrote: Pap, hear what you say but has Sniffer as mentioned on a few occasions SC himself might want out at the seasons end? I think and have thought hard and long on this it may be the best time to part ways on good terms and both SC and Forest start afresh.
Maybe Lolz but I can only see him moving away if he gets a prem job offer, and thats looking pretty unlikey now imo as he's not a 'name'.
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(08-04-2023, 08:23 PM)JollyLolly Wrote: Wassy, wanted nothing more but for Forest and SC to succeed this season but its been plain as the nose on your face for some time now that we are simply not good enough! SC and the club need to learn from this, coupled with the fact that we were NOT supposed to be promoted last season, I don't think that was the plan, it happened and as a wee Scotsman once said "it is what it is" we just went with the flow and have been found wanting with many deficiencies surrounding the club. If relegation does become a reality which seem very likely let come back stronger with or without SC.
Which teams are worse than us?
Do you think another manager would've kept us up with these injuries?
Don't ignore the question please.
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(08-04-2023, 08:14 PM)wassy04 Wrote: (08-04-2023, 07:59 PM)JollyLolly Wrote: We all seem to finally agree that we are destine to return to the Championship in a few months time, it's seemed that some on here to not really believed that it could actually happen until recently but its been pretty obvious to most not wearing rose tinted glasses. Let SC have the dignity to see the season out and then at that point he and the club can part company on good terms, just a failed project and no finger pointing or blame game. The club needs to undertake a complete review, identify all the collective mistakes and set a new plan to regain PL status and most of all retain said status.
You're allowed to want to keep the manager and also expect relegation you know. Those of us that have supported SC have been fully open about the likely relegation and that is be it is accepted we have the worst team in the league and that was before the injuries.
Which I have stated repeatedly and started repeated threads on the topic.
Rather than ignore the situation. Do you think another manager would've kept us up with the injuries we've had?
Which teams do you think have worse teams than us?
All of the bottom 8 are no more than equal to us as a collective . If we'd have been coached and been instructed to play progressively trying to at least share possession and to be a presence in the opposition's box. The reliance on breakaways to score has failed dismally, the evidence being clear in the stats and our league position. SC and his staff have failed to improve any of the players imported and that is a key indicator for coaching success. We should finish around 14th with this group I believe. Sorry if that's super critical but I fear that being out of his depth sums it up.
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(08-04-2023, 08:25 PM)wassy04 Wrote: (08-04-2023, 08:23 PM)JollyLolly Wrote: Wassy, wanted nothing more but for Forest and SC to succeed this season but its been plain as the nose on your face for some time now that we are simply not good enough! SC and the club need to learn from this, coupled with the fact that we were NOT supposed to be promoted last season, I don't think that was the plan, it happened and as a wee Scotsman once said "it is what it is" we just went with the flow and have been found wanting with many deficiencies surrounding the club. If relegation does become a reality which seem very likely let come back stronger with or without SC.
Which teams are worse than us?
Do you think another manager would've kept us up with these injuries?
Don't ignore the question please.
Wassy, Everton were a basket case. Change manager for someone who knows what their doing and bang, they look competitive. Same for Villa, ManUtd. It can, sometimes, make a difference.
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Wassy to answer your question, any team that finishes below Forest!
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(08-04-2023, 08:26 PM)Ciscokid Wrote: (08-04-2023, 08:14 PM)wassy04 Wrote: (08-04-2023, 07:59 PM)JollyLolly Wrote: We all seem to finally agree that we are destine to return to the Championship in a few months time, it's seemed that some on here to not really believed that it could actually happen until recently but its been pretty obvious to most not wearing rose tinted glasses. Let SC have the dignity to see the season out and then at that point he and the club can part company on good terms, just a failed project and no finger pointing or blame game. The club needs to undertake a complete review, identify all the collective mistakes and set a new plan to regain PL status and most of all retain said status.
You're allowed to want to keep the manager and also expect relegation you know. Those of us that have supported SC have been fully open about the likely relegation and that is be it is accepted we have the worst team in the league and that was before the injuries.
Which I have stated repeatedly and started repeated threads on the topic.
Rather than ignore the situation. Do you think another manager would've kept us up with the injuries we've had?
Which teams do you think have worse teams than us?
All of the bottom 8 are no more than equal to us as a collective . If we'd have been coached and been instructed to play progressively trying to at least share possession and to be a presence in the opposition's box. The reliance on breakaways to score has failed dismally, the evidence being clear in the stats and our league position. SC and his staff have failed to improve any of the players imported and that is a key indicator for coaching success. We should finish around 14th with this group I believe. Sorry if that's super critical but I fear that being out of his depth sums it up.
You really think there are 6 teams worse than us? Who?
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(08-04-2023, 08:29 PM)JollyLolly Wrote: Wassy to answer your question, any team that finishes below Forest!
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(08-04-2023, 08:29 PM)Paplane Wrote: (08-04-2023, 08:25 PM)wassy04 Wrote: (08-04-2023, 08:23 PM)JollyLolly Wrote: Wassy, wanted nothing more but for Forest and SC to succeed this season but its been plain as the nose on your face for some time now that we are simply not good enough! SC and the club need to learn from this, coupled with the fact that we were NOT supposed to be promoted last season, I don't think that was the plan, it happened and as a wee Scotsman once said "it is what it is" we just went with the flow and have been found wanting with many deficiencies surrounding the club. If relegation does become a reality which seem very likely let come back stronger with or without SC.
Which teams are worse than us?
Do you think another manager would've kept us up with these injuries?
Don't ignore the question please.
Wassy, Everton were a basket case. Change manager for someone who knows what their doing and bang, they look competitive. Same for Villa, ManUtd. It can, sometimes, make a difference.
Yes I agree they look better. However, they were 18th when he took over and now they're joint 18th. So even Dyche has made almost no impact.
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