Stevie Cooper
(08-04-2023, 06:35 PM)northeastred Wrote: Should of went a few months ago, club listened to fans on social  and it's cost them, some fans who wanted cooper to stay, now want him to go, left it too late, evangelos should of treat us like a football club he wanted to stay up, and not a club to keep the socials happy, were going down, it's too little too late.. good championship manager . Future English manager they say, needs to learn how to change things up in the prem first. So many little things he gets wrong, against the one thing in promotion he got right.. see you all in the championship lads...

He couldn't win really because when we had the purple patch after the Leicester game things were looking brighter.

Had he gone after that game the story might have been different but he played a blinder at the time.

I feel this last ditch attempt at rallying the troops with the Statement has had no effect.

He now needs to decide whether to stick till end of season or start planning ahead which is going to be hard as our ability to attract the suitable man might not be available until the summer.
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I suppose Ange Postecoglou is out of reach for us?
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(08-04-2023, 06:35 PM)northeastred Wrote: Should of went a few months ago, club listened to fans on social  and it's cost them, some fans who wanted cooper to stay, now want him to go, left it too late, evangelos should of treat us like a football club he wanted to stay up, and not a club to keep the socials happy, were going down, it's too little too late.. good championship manager . Future English manager they say, needs to learn how to change things up in the prem first. So many little things he gets wrong, against the one thing in promotion he got right.. see you all in the championship lads...

"I don't want him to go though". How many times have you said that whilst also complaining about him.

Yes we are going down, also yes we've had a rubbish run of injuries and yes we have the worst team in the league because we only had two starters to come up with one of which has been injured since Jan.

A new manager would almost certainly have had little impact as he would've had the same players to pick from. I hate this assumption that changing manager would somehow improve the team despite all the statistical evidence showing it doesn't and the team not changing.
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Theres no point sacking the incumbent manger unless they're either out of their depth (Gerrard, Lampard) or creating a toxic atmosphere (Conte, Rogers). And the manger should only be sacked if there's a proven, quality replacement available (ie not Marsch). None of those apply to us. I did think there was an opportunity for us to take Dyche earlier in the season but that ship's long sailed now. Its a pragmatic viewpoint from me when I say we should stick with Cooper.
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(08-04-2023, 06:43 PM)wassy04 Wrote:
(08-04-2023, 06:35 PM)northeastred Wrote: Should of went a few months ago, club listened to fans on social  and it's cost them, some fans who wanted cooper to stay, now want him to go, left it too late, evangelos should of treat us like a football club he wanted to stay up, and not a club to keep the socials happy, were going down, it's too little too late.. good championship manager . Future English manager they say, needs to learn how to change things up in the prem first. So many little things he gets wrong, against the one thing in promotion he got right.. see you all in the championship lads...

"I don't want him to go though". How many times have you said that whilst also complaining about him.

Yes we are going down, also yes we've had a rubbish run of injuries and yes we have the worst team in the league because we only had two starters to come up with one of which has been injured since Jan.

A new manager would almost certainly have had little impact as he would've had the same players to pick from. I hate this assumption that changing manager would somehow improve the team despite all the statistical evidence showing it doesn't and the team not changing.

Wassy, you can critise the manager without wanting his head on a stick!
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(08-04-2023, 06:43 PM)wassy04 Wrote:
(08-04-2023, 06:35 PM)northeastred Wrote: Should of went a few months ago, club listened to fans on social  and it's cost them, some fans who wanted cooper to stay, now want him to go, left it too late, evangelos should of treat us like a football club he wanted to stay up, and not a club to keep the socials happy, were going down, it's too little too late.. good championship manager . Future English manager they say, needs to learn how to change things up in the prem first. So many little things he gets wrong, against the one thing in promotion he got right.. see you all in the championship lads...

"I don't want him to go though". How many times have you said that whilst also complaining about him.

Yes we are going down, also yes we've had a rubbish run of injuries and yes we have the worst team in the league because we only had two starters to come up with one of which has been injured since Jan.

A new manager would almost certainly have had little impact as he would've had the same players to pick from. I hate this assumption that changing manager would somehow improve the team despite all the statistical evidence showing it doesn't and the team not changing.

Because I thought he could turn it around wassy, really could, thought the statement would be a rebirth and we would come out flying. But yet it's the same rubbish. Taking off our best performers for the likes of ayew. Howay pal, that's bad management, always admire your sensible posts, but come on, why are you so pro cooper for.. do you not get pissed off in the slightest with how he's been, with tactics, games, substitutions even been apart of recruitment what lead to woods and ayew?


(08-04-2023, 06:43 PM)wassy04 Wrote:
(08-04-2023, 06:35 PM)northeastred Wrote: Should of went a few months ago, club listened to fans on social  and it's cost them, some fans who wanted cooper to stay, now want him to go, left it too late, evangelos should of treat us like a football club he wanted to stay up, and not a club to keep the socials happy, were going down, it's too little too late.. good championship manager . Future English manager they say, needs to learn how to change things up in the prem first. So many little things he gets wrong, against the one thing in promotion he got right.. see you all in the championship lads...

"I don't want him to go though". How many times have you said that whilst also complaining about him.

Yes we are going down, also yes we've had a rubbish run of injuries and yes we have the worst team in the league because we only had two starters to come up with one of which has been injured since Jan.

A new manager would almost certainly have had little impact as he would've had the same players to pick from. I hate this assumption that changing manager would somehow improve the team despite all the statistical evidence showing it doesn't and the team not changing.

Because I thought he could turn it around wassy, really could, thought the statement would be a rebirth and we would come out flying. But yet it's the same rubbish. Taking off our best performers for the likes of ayew. Howay pal, that's bad management, always admire your sensible posts, but come on, why are you so pro cooper for.. do you not get pissed off in the slightest with how he's been, with tactics, games, substitutions even been apart of recruitment what lead to woods and ayew?


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(08-04-2023, 06:53 PM)Paplane Wrote:
(08-04-2023, 06:43 PM)wassy04 Wrote:
(08-04-2023, 06:35 PM)northeastred Wrote: Should of went a few months ago, club listened to fans on social  and it's cost them, some fans who wanted cooper to stay, now want him to go, left it too late, evangelos should of treat us like a football club he wanted to stay up, and not a club to keep the socials happy, were going down, it's too little too late.. good championship manager . Future English manager they say, needs to learn how to change things up in the prem first. So many little things he gets wrong, against the one thing in promotion he got right.. see you all in the championship lads...

"I don't want him to go though". How many times have you said that whilst also complaining about him.

Yes we are going down, also yes we've had a rubbish run of injuries and yes we have the worst team in the league because we only had two starters to come up with one of which has been injured since Jan.

A new manager would almost certainly have had little impact as he would've had the same players to pick from. I hate this assumption that changing manager would somehow improve the team despite all the statistical evidence showing it doesn't and the team not changing.

Wassy, you can critise the manager without wanting his head on a stick!

Cheers paps
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(08-04-2023, 06:53 PM)northeastred Wrote:
(08-04-2023, 06:43 PM)wassy04 Wrote:
(08-04-2023, 06:35 PM)northeastred Wrote: Should of went a few months ago, club listened to fans on social  and it's cost them, some fans who wanted cooper to stay, now want him to go, left it too late, evangelos should of treat us like a football club he wanted to stay up, and not a club to keep the socials happy, were going down, it's too little too late.. good championship manager . Future English manager they say, needs to learn how to change things up in the prem first. So many little things he gets wrong, against the one thing in promotion he got right.. see you all in the championship lads...

"I don't want him to go though". How many times have you said that whilst also complaining about him.

Yes we are going down, also yes we've had a rubbish run of injuries and yes we have the worst team in the league because we only had two starters to come up with one of which has been injured since Jan.

A new manager would almost certainly have had little impact as he would've had the same players to pick from. I hate this assumption that changing manager would somehow improve the team despite all the statistical evidence showing it doesn't and the team not changing.

Because I thought he could turn it around wassy, really could, thought the statement would be a rebirth and we would come out flying. But yet it's the same rubbish. Taking off our best performers for the likes of ayew. Howay pal, that's bad management, always admire your sensible posts, but come on, why are you so pro cooper for.. do you not get pissed off in the slightest with how he's been, with tactics, games, substitutions even been apart of recruitment what lead to woods and ayew?


(08-04-2023, 06:43 PM)wassy04 Wrote:
(08-04-2023, 06:35 PM)northeastred Wrote: Should of went a few months ago, club listened to fans on social  and it's cost them, some fans who wanted cooper to stay, now want him to go, left it too late, evangelos should of treat us like a football club he wanted to stay up, and not a club to keep the socials happy, were going down, it's too little too late.. good championship manager . Future English manager they say, needs to learn how to change things up in the prem first. So many little things he gets wrong, against the one thing in promotion he got right.. see you all in the championship lads...

"I don't want him to go though". How many times have you said that whilst also complaining about him.

Yes we are going down, also yes we've had a rubbish run of injuries and yes we have the worst team in the league because we only had two starters to come up with one of which has been injured since Jan.

A new manager would almost certainly have had little impact as he would've had the same players to pick from. I hate this assumption that changing manager would somehow improve the team despite all the statistical evidence showing it doesn't and the team not changing.

Because I thought he could turn it around wassy, really could, thought the statement would be a rebirth and we would come out flying. But yet it's the same rubbish. Taking off our best performers for the likes of ayew. Howay pal, that's bad management, always admire your sensible posts, but come on, why are you so pro cooper for.. do you not get pissed off in the slightest with how he's been, with tactics, games, substitutions even been apart of recruitment what lead to woods and ayew?


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Yeah I see your point sorry, you're fine to criticise and still want him to stay to be fair. It's difficult though as there just a lot of people saying manager out whenever we lose regardless of circumstances. I find the balanced negative viewpoint difficult to separate from just the standard manager out whenever we lose. 

It might get lost as I'm usually just trying to defend Cooper but I'm happy to criticise. I loved the change of tactics today, I didn't like changing formation during the game, thought it was going OK at that point. Was disappointed to see Shelvey start ahead of Mangala, not sure why he's not getting much gametime. Ayew didn't make much sense today although has done ok (ish) previously. I do wish he'd play less in general though! 

Only so much you can do with the brutal injuries we've had combined with not having a great team in the first place. I feel like that gets lost when people are so negative.
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Is Coops the best manager to get us promoted? That is the question now. I don’t think a combination of the best bits of Alec Ferguson, fat Sam and Cloughie would be enough to keep us up. I know we spent a lot but the squad is bottom three quality. Cooper has to take some responsibility for that.
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Wonder if Chris Cohen along with a senior helper would be good for us.
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(08-04-2023, 07:43 PM)Ciscokid Wrote: Wonder if Chris Cohen along with a senior helper would be good for us.

Really good should. He might be permanently attached to his dickhead mate Jones though.
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The cynic in me wonders whether SC is still in a job as the deadline for renewing season tickets has not yet passed? For what it's worth, i don't know who would take the job now anyway.
Rise of the Garybaldi
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