Thoughts On The Next Nottingham Forest Manager

[Floridared]

Cooper would be another step back... I'm all for giving a new guy a chance but ffs we may as well accept relegation if we appoint cooper.

This appointment has to be right cooper is not the right one.

Wilder would be a good fit. Hell I'd take a foreign unknown over cooper.

If this is a Murphy appointment then we are in trouble.

What? You are all for giving a new guy a chance but in the same sentence write him off and accepting relegation and saying we are in trouble if it’s a Murphy appointment. Sound like you have a downer on him before he’s appointed. 
It may well be that he isn’t…… who would be your first choice Uwant….

[Strawberry Avenger]

Cooper would be another step back... I'm all for giving a new guy a chance but ffs we may as well accept relegation if we appoint cooper.

This appointment has to be right cooper is not the right one.

Wilder would be a good fit. Hell I'd take a foreign unknown over cooper.

If this is a Murphy appointment then we are in trouble.

We'll have to see who is appointed and what the football turns out to be.

Maybe Forest fans would like Wilder.  (Seemed innovative to me.  Robust.  Direct.  'Men's football.'  Proven track record of getting promoted with teams on low budgets and took Sheff U to the cusp of European football?). But he sounds an old school character.  Potentially abrasive.  I can't see our hierarchy coping with him if they could cope with Keane or MoN.)

Maybe the hierarchy want Cooper.  (A political appointment?  Reports of BORING football and grindY defensive displays.  Has he any promotions to his name?)

Murphy won't be the last CEO to hang by his appointment.  It's a pity the CEOs who appoint managers, then fire managers don't themselves get fired.

Forest's recruitment this Summer seems 'soft' and it lacks a striker.  How Cooper or Wilder fix that (or any sucker, I mean 'drinker of the chalice') we'll have to wait and see.

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Cooper would be another step back... I'm all for giving a new guy a chance but ffs we may as well accept relegation if we appoint cooper.

This appointment has to be right cooper is not the right one.

Wilder would be a good fit. Hell I'd take a foreign unknown over cooper.

If this is a Murphy appointment then we are in trouble.

What? You are all for giving a new guy a chance but in the same sentence write him off and accepting relegation and saying we are in trouble if it’s a Murphy appointment. Sound like you have a downer on him before he’s appointed. 
It may well be that he isn’t…… who would be your first choice Uwant….

It's quite easy to get a feel on appointments.  Just look at what fans of their former clubs have to say.

It's human nature.

I'm less fussed about Cooper. New School. It seems like more of what Forest fans say that don't like.

If I had to pick? Wilder. A bit of a 'wilder' adventure footballing wise. Old School. Man's game football.

But I aint picking. Dane is.

SA.

[Floridared]

Cooper would be another step back... I'm all for giving a new guy a chance but ffs we may as well accept relegation if we appoint cooper.

This appointment has to be right cooper is not the right one.

Wilder would be a good fit. Hell I'd take a foreign unknown over cooper.

If this is a Murphy appointment then we are in trouble.

What? You are all for giving a new guy a chance but in the same sentence write him off and accepting relegation and saying we are in trouble if it’s a Murphy appointment. Sound like you have a downer on him before he’s appointed. 
It may well be that he isn’t…… who would be your first choice Uwant….

It's quite easy to get a feel on appointments.  Just look at what fans of their former clubs have to say.

It's human nature. 

I'm less fussed about Cooper.  New School.  It seems like more of what Forest fans say that don't like.

If I had to pick?  Wilder.  A bit of a 'wilder' adventure footballing wise.  Old School.  Man's game football.

But I aint picking.  Dane is.

SA.

Totally agree with you , if he is appointed then hopefully he will hit the ground running. If previous posts are anything to go by then he has been present at several games and will have a good idea of who can or can’t do what. It seems a done deal and apparently compensation sorted with Swansea. If it goes through then fingers crossed we can turn the corner and start getting some points…..

[JWJW]

I dont see any ex-players moaning and complaining about Cooper.

There are a lot of ex-players of clubs moaning about Hughton and his methods and tactics.


Brian Clough was a failure as a manager at Brighton and then Leeds. What happened next ?


Chris Hughton had a 29% win ratio at Norwich in 82 games as manager and left (same as sacked)

Chris Hughton had a 26% win ratio at Forest in 56 games as manager and sacked.

CH is not a good manager imo and was always the wrong fit for Forest. He got lucky at Brighton which made people forget his failings at Norwich.


As far as Cooper goes - we are in the Championship and his methods and tactics have proven to be successful - so far no players complaining about him being clueless and useless like there is with Hughton so it seems.

Lets all support him 100% and lets get Forest moving back up that table.

10 wins in a row and we will be up there around the play off places - in this league - anything can happen.

[Alf]

Cooper would be another step back... I'm all for giving a new guy a chance but ffs we may as well accept relegation if we appoint cooper.

This appointment has to be right cooper is not the right one.

Wilder would be a good fit. Hell I'd take a foreign unknown over cooper.

If this is a Murphy appointment then we are in trouble.

What? You are all for giving a new guy a chance but in the same sentence write him off and accepting relegation and saying we are in trouble if it’s a Murphy appointment. Sound like you have a downer on him before he’s appointed. 
It may well be that he isn’t…… who would be your first choice Uwant….

It's quite easy to get a feel on appointments.  Just look at what fans of their former clubs have to say.

It's human nature. 

I'm less fussed about Cooper.  New School.  It seems like more of what Forest fans say that don't like.

If I had to pick?  Wilder.  A bit of a 'wilder' adventure footballing wise.  Old School.  Man's game football.

But I aint picking.  Dane is.

SA.

I agree SA. Wilder would 100% be my appointment of choice too, and I'm not convinced that this is the right time to choose "new" over "tried and tested".

However, what I will say though is that on rare occasions the reality doesn't reflect the opposition fan POV. Billy Davies came to us with a rep for poor footy, and some of our fans will still slag off his away football. In reality he gave us our best football since Hart, and played some cracking stuff at times, with most home games being enjoyable. 

Imagine a team signing Carvalho from us for 1m. If they get on the net and read some of the fans opinions he's the best thing since sliced bread, a fantastic creative magician, and just been incredibly unlucky under 4 managers and in 2 leagues, and hasn't been given a chance. In reality he's a complete flop and who needs a LOT of factors - both in his & the opposition team - to fall his way to be effective.

etc.

So hopefully Coopers rep is a little skewed. That's what I'm hoping for anyway.

I have also heard from those a bit more clued up than the average Boyo that Cooper has a more palatable side to his football, and if you look at the ins & outs at Swansea that's encouraging too.

So whilst I think we do right to remain weary, I also wouldn't be too down if he gets the job. There are things suggesting he many surprise us.

Plus his face is pure entertainment in itself.

[Tricky]

Cooper would be another step back... I'm all for giving a new guy a chance but ffs we may as well accept relegation if we appoint cooper.

This appointment has to be right cooper is not the right one.

Wilder would be a good fit. Hell I'd take a foreign unknown over cooper.

If this is a Murphy appointment then we are in trouble.

What? You are all for giving a new guy a chance but in the same sentence write him off and accepting relegation and saying we are in trouble if it’s a Murphy appointment. Sound like you have a downer on him before he’s appointed. 
It may well be that he isn’t…… who would be your first choice Uwant….

It's quite easy to get a feel on appointments.  Just look at what fans of their former clubs have to say.

It's human nature. 

I'm less fussed about Cooper.  New School.  It seems like more of what Forest fans say that don't like.

If I had to pick?  Wilder.  A bit of a 'wilder' adventure footballing wise.  Old School.  Man's game football.

But I aint picking.  Dane is.

SA.

I agree SA. Wilder would 100% be my appointment of choice too, and I'm not convinced that this is the right time to choose "new" over "tried and tested".

However, what I will say though is that on rare occasions the reality doesn't reflect the opposition fan POV. Billy Davies came to us with a rep for poor footy, and some of our fans will still slag off his away football. In reality he gave us our best football since Hart, and played some cracking stuff at times, with most home games being enjoyable. 

Imagine a team signing Carvalho from us for 1m. If they get on the net and read some of the fans opinions he's the best thing since sliced bread, a fantastic creative magician, and just been incredibly unlucky under 4 managers and in 2 leagues, and hasn't been given a chance. In reality he's a complete flop and who needs a LOT of factors - both in his & the opposition team - to fall his way to be effective.

etc.

So hopefully Coopers rep is a little skewed. That's what I'm hoping for anyway.

I have also heard from those a bit more clued up than the average Boyo that Cooper has a more palatable side to his football, and if you look at the ins & outs at Swansea that's encouraging too.

So whilst I think we do right to remain weary, I also wouldn't be too down if he gets the job. There are things suggesting he many surprise us.

Plus his face is pure entertainment in itself.

:D :D :D

[zicorice]

Cooper would be another step back... I'm all for giving a new guy a chance but ffs we may as well accept relegation if we appoint cooper.

This appointment has to be right cooper is not the right one.

Wilder would be a good fit. Hell I'd take a foreign unknown over cooper.

If this is a Murphy appointment then we are in trouble.

In all honesty I can't claim I felt excited by the appointment  of the Taff but like you, I'm all for giving the new guy a chance. 

In my case this means 100% vocal support at games and giving him time before making tw@tty assumptions.

In your case it appears to be accepting relegation and announcing to us all that this is not the right appointment etc.. as its not the one you personally wanted.

Why not sign up to something new lad: Instead of constantly bleating about things, saying I told you so (by inference) and coming across as more negative than Hughtons tactics ever did, try focusing on some positive aspects hard as they have been to find.

Think about this: of the 20 odd managers who have tried and failed to get us up, they couldn't all be bad when you look at their track records. I suspect if we had given one or two more support and time we may have been better off. In particular Mark Warburton has come out the other side of a tough time and built a really dynamic looking QPR team. The game the other night vs Bournemouth was fantastic and despite QPR losing 2-1, it was obvious they have improved alot.

I read an article the other day that said the atmosphere at WFCG has become toxic and is similar to that of Sunderland and Ipswich in recent years-how are they doing?

Whilst I'm not suggesting happy clappers is the way forward, constructive criticism and debate are to be encouraged especially on here, but your post is neither.

I think the aim this season has to be to stay up, give the new guys a couple more transfer windows and see where we are. Unless results are disastrous then I am 100% behind Cooper (he looks better from behind anyway..). I hope as much of our fan base as possible do the same as it can help turn the tide.

How about you give him 10 games and see where we are at least? No? What about 5 then?

[Uwantlee]

Cooper would be another step back... I'm all for giving a new guy a chance but ffs we may as well accept relegation if we appoint cooper.

This appointment has to be right cooper is not the right one.

Wilder would be a good fit. Hell I'd take a foreign unknown over cooper.

If this is a Murphy appointment then we are in trouble.

What? You are all for giving a new guy a chance but in the same sentence write him off and accepting relegation and saying we are in trouble if it’s a Murphy appointment. Sound like you have a downer on him before he’s appointed. 
It may well be that he isn’t…… who would be your first choice Uwant….

I will give him a chance. Whoever gets the job will have my support. He hasn’t got the job yet so before they announce anyone I will air my concerns. I just don’t think he is going to differ much from what we had. I said the same regarding CH before he was officially appointed. So yeah I suppose you’re right I do have a downer on him.
I would honestly love to be proven wrong. I would love it if he came in and was the right fit for us and wa where for the next 4 or 5 years. At the moment I just don’t see it.

My first choice would have been wilder. Someone with an bit of attitude and personality who isn’t afraid to say what they think and ruffle a few feathers.

TBH I was looking forward to Dane bringing in a Barnsley type manager, an unknown but then that has big risk too.

Time will only tell but whoever gets the job will have my full support like CH did until it was clear it wasn’t going to work.

[Uwantlee]

Cooper would be another step back... I'm all for giving a new guy a chance but ffs we may as well accept relegation if we appoint cooper.

This appointment has to be right cooper is not the right one.

Wilder would be a good fit. Hell I'd take a foreign unknown over cooper.

If this is a Murphy appointment then we are in trouble.

In all honesty I can't claim I felt excited by the appointment  of the Taff but like you, I'm all for giving the new guy a chance. 

In my case this means 100% vocal support at games and giving him time before making tw@tty assumptions.

In your case it appears to be accepting relegation and announcing to us all that this is not the right appointment etc.. as its not the one you personally wanted.

Why not sign up to something new lad: Instead of constantly bleating about things, saying I told you so (by inference) and coming across as more negative than Hughtons tactics ever did, try focusing on some positive aspects hard as they have been to find.

Think about this: of the 20 odd managers who have tried and failed to get us up, they couldn't all be bad when you look at their track records. I suspect if we had given one or two more support and time we may have been better off. In particular Mark Warburton has come out the other side of a tough time and built a really dynamic looking QPR team. The game the other night vs Bournemouth was fantastic and despite QPR losing 2-1, it was obvious they have improved alot.

I read an article the other day that said the atmosphere at WFCG has become toxic and is similar to that of Sunderland and Ipswich in recent years-how are they doing?

Whilst I'm not suggesting happy clappers is the way forward, constructive criticism and debate are to be encouraged especially on here, but your post is neither.

I think the aim this season has to be to stay up, give the new guys a couple more transfer windows and see where we are. Unless results are disastrous then I am 100% behind Cooper (he looks better from behind anyway..). I hope as much of our fan base as possible do the same as it can help turn the tide.

How about you give him 10 games and see where we are at least? No? What about 5 then?

I will be vocal and I will support once the appointment is made. Now is the time though to be asking the questions.

You say give him 10 games. If/when he gets the job 10 games will not be enough he will just be getting to know the squad. He will need the season. The wrong appointment now will mean relegation. My opinion is that Cooper would be the wrong appointment that’s all. Very happy to be proven wrong...in fact I would like nothing more.

The only aim this season is staying up. Playing defence first football hasn’t worked so far this season and Cooper, traditionally, plays a defence first brand. Let’s hope we get the new manager bounce and it lasts 6 months

I’ll reiterate though... once he is in the hot seat he will have my full support

[Uwantlee]

Cooper would be another step back... I'm all for giving a new guy a chance but ffs we may as well accept relegation if we appoint cooper.

This appointment has to be right cooper is not the right one.

Wilder would be a good fit. Hell I'd take a foreign unknown over cooper.

If this is a Murphy appointment then we are in trouble.

What? You are all for giving a new guy a chance but in the same sentence write him off and accepting relegation and saying we are in trouble if it’s a Murphy appointment. Sound like you have a downer on him before he’s appointed. 
It may well be that he isn’t…… who would be your first choice Uwant….

It's quite easy to get a feel on appointments.  Just look at what fans of their former clubs have to say.

It's human nature. 

I'm less fussed about Cooper.  New School.  It seems like more of what Forest fans say that don't like.

If I had to pick?  Wilder.  A bit of a 'wilder' adventure footballing wise.  Old School.  Man's game football.

But I aint picking.  Dane is.

SA.

I agree SA. Wilder would 100% be my appointment of choice too, and I'm not convinced that this is the right time to choose "new" over "tried and tested".

However, what I will say though is that on rare occasions the reality doesn't reflect the opposition fan POV. Billy Davies came to us with a rep for poor footy, and some of our fans will still slag off his away football. In reality he gave us our best football since Hart, and played some cracking stuff at times, with most home games being enjoyable. 

Imagine a team signing Carvalho from us for 1m. If they get on the net and read some of the fans opinions he's the best thing since sliced bread, a fantastic creative magician, and just been incredibly unlucky under 4 managers and in 2 leagues, and hasn't been given a chance. In reality he's a complete flop and who needs a LOT of factors - both in his & the opposition team - to fall his way to be effective.

etc.

So hopefully Coopers rep is a little skewed. That's what I'm hoping for anyway.

I have also heard from those a bit more clued up than the average Boyo that Cooper has a more palatable side to his football, and if you look at the ins & outs at Swansea that's encouraging too.

So whilst I think we do right to remain weary, I also wouldn't be too down if he gets the job. There are things suggesting he many surprise us.

Plus his face is pure entertainment in itself.

:D :D :D

The Iain Dowie of managers

[Strawberry Avenger]

Well, it won't be manager of the month. It will be the paper bag of the month award.

SA.