Thoughts On The Next Nottingham Forest Manager

[Jean_claude_killy]

Sniffer, I still don't see Cooper as a credible DM appointee, in your opinion will the big man have the final say or is this his side kicks preference?

John Percy and Danny Taylor seem to think it will be a Murphy appointment

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Sniffer, I still don't see Cooper as a credible DM appointee, in your opinion will the big man have the final say or is this his side kicks preference?

Why not where is the problem :huh:

[PsychoStanleyStone]

1 basic benefit of sacking the manager is the chance of a bounce, players express there frustration, others come back into the fold, others find inspiration and motivation, in a way it doesn't matter too much in the short term, the points haul is almost guaranteed to improve

unless you sack the manager and keep his assistant, it might be his assistant who was actually the weak link, the idea of sacking a manager is a clearout of all negative implications of the manager

having his assistant in temporary charge is the best way to nullify the bounce, he is obviously part of the problem or he wasn't listened to

either way all that has happened is the heirarchy have bottled it, half removed the gangrene and left some in really says they don't believe hughton was really the problem, so far this is a backwards step, the shackles are still on, the problems have not been diagnosed

I agree. I think we should have booted the lot and and gone with Andy Reid on Saturday.

appointing a new manager in the next few days is really throwing away the best of opportunities after a sacking, i feel it would be rushed and a good long term manager will need time which at present we don't have

Andy Reid and Worrall as playing assistant captain, this would galvanise every possible passion and a bit of the unknown and excitement and noone loses if it doesn't work but a huge amount to gain, at least the fans will love it especially if it gets a few wins

[Marinakis Red]

Maybe MR but I would prefer that vision not to start in League 1

Good post JCK by the way

Unfortunately that is the position we find ourselves in. We only have ourselves to blame for it.

[Widdow]

1 basic benefit of sacking the manager is the chance of a bounce, players express there frustration, others come back into the fold, others find inspiration and motivation, in a way it doesn't matter too much in the short term, the points haul is almost guaranteed to improve

unless you sack the manager and keep his assistant, it might be his assistant who was actually the weak link, the idea of sacking a manager is a clearout of all negative implications of the manager

having his assistant in temporary charge is the best way to nullify the bounce, he is obviously part of the problem or he wasn't listened to

either way all that has happened is the heirarchy have bottled it, half removed the gangrene and left some in really says they don't believe hughton was really the problem, so far this is a backwards step, the shackles are still on, the problems have not been diagnosed

I agree. I think we should have booted the lot and and gone with Andy Reid on Saturday.

He is learning his trade with the U23, let him concentrate on getting results for them.

[Jean_claude_killy]

The appointment of Steve Cooper is going to be a disaster in more ways than one.

A club that seemingly never listens or learns for that matter. Embarrassing really.

So its embarrassing that the Club do not listen and learn from you?

Its no more embarrassing than having to read that hubristic gibberish.

I'm not implying me at all. But Mao, Sniff asked for my thoughts what we should do and I posted them not so long ago end of Sabri/pre hughton. 

In terms on never listening or learning, that just goes for the 4 years they have been here, where they have received advice and offer of help but have never taken it as they know best. Seemingly they dont and seemingly will not learn.

Well I am not sure that is the case.

There was an acknowledgement that EM and Vrentzos had got things wrong over their first four years, hence the big review and the appointment of Murphy.

At the time, everyone bought in and thought it was a good idea; that coincidentally, was at the same time that Hughton was in his job.

So what has changed?

Hughton has been fired, very much as everyone expected, and Murphy gets to chose his own man.

Surely that should be a good thing, but its not.

Why is it not?

Because Murphy is now being deemed as not capable of selecting the right person, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever?

He either choses who the supporters want or he does not know what he is doing or he is just replicating the same mistakes.

I just do not buy into that.

I may not be Murphy's biggest fan, but he is the CEO and he is the one responsible for getting the right manager in; he should be allowed to get on with it.

This new philosophy we are supposedly building will never take place if we adopt an a la carte approach when it comes to following principles and processes, particularly when times are tough.

If Cooper is deemed to be the man, I can fully understand why; he plays pragmatic football as opposed to the expansive style we all want; he grinds out wins at a rate of 45%, which is not too bad.

We need someone who will play to our strengths, the very few that we have.

Expecting expansive football or all out attack with the players we have is bordering on the delusional; we just do not have the forwards to play that way.

I can fully understand people moaning about dour football; I am not entirely happy with it myself; but I will put up with it if it means staying up.

The last paragraph for this season is something I agree with you on totally but a vision has to start somewhere.

The vision is supposedly in place, and most of the people to realise it are also in place.

The problem is that with all new philosophies, people expect a revolutionary approach and are none too pleased when they get an evolutionary one.

I read the other day that it will take around 18 months to see the benefits of the changes which have taken place; personally, I think that is a conservative estimate.

Transfer windows are getting harder and harder to deal in and, despite whatever fast track initiatives we put in place, there is no rushing the kids coming through; they will be ready when they are ready.

But its the first team which needs all of the attention at the moment as we are in a dire situation.

Assuming we get a manager with a 45% win rate; if he could replicate that it would get us to around 51 points which would not necessarily guarantee safety.

[wassy04]

So Forza and Marinakis Red etc what is the solution?

I haven't seen anyone come up with a solution to  these so called crumbling walls around the City Ground and Hurricanes and storms.

Forzas version of events reminded me of Michael Fish.

Come on what are the solutions?

Just like I thought. Nobody has one.

Appoint a good manager
Sign better players

Easy really  :D

In all seriousness though, appointing better people and more people lower down the chain that focus on things like the matchday experience. Imagine situations like the seat stuff likely 
occur because the current staff are overrun.

You can have an expanded board, with more defined roles, including only have one registered CEO. 

You can have more fan involvement although I'm aware that's slightly optimistic. Certainly more fan led initiatives would help clean up some of the issues that crop up. 

More regular/better communication, hopefully based on Dane's record at Barnsley we'll get that but we wouldn't need to rely on journalists as much if the club actually gave more information out. Again possibly due to a lack of staff, possibly due to unwillingness to open up aspects of the business. I wouldn't expect day to day updates on transfer dealings but 1 interview with the owner (or the CEO pre Dane) in 4 years is clearly not enough. Relying on the manager to take all the flak and basically act as a mouth piece is not fair and adds unnecessary pressure on an already pressurised role.

I don't think the above is unreasonable, I just tried to think of what the more successful clubs/owner have done recently.

[Strawberry Avenger]

1 basic benefit of sacking the manager is the chance of a bounce, players express there frustration, others come back into the fold, others find inspiration and motivation, in a way it doesn't matter too much in the short term, the points haul is almost guaranteed to improve

unless you sack the manager and keep his assistant, it might be his assistant who was actually the weak link, the idea of sacking a manager is a clearout of all negative implications of the manager

having his assistant in temporary charge is the best way to nullify the bounce, he is obviously part of the problem or he wasn't listened to

either way all that has happened is the heirarchy have bottled it, half removed the gangrene and left some in really says they don't believe hughton was really the problem, so far this is a backwards step, the shackles are still on, the problems have not been diagnosed

What?  Like a dead cat?

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

So Forza and Marinakis Red etc what is the solution?

I haven't seen anyone come up with a solution to  these so called crumbling walls around the City Ground and Hurricanes and storms.

Forzas version of events reminded me of Michael Fish.

Come on what are the solutions?

Just like I thought. Nobody has one.

Appoint a good manager
Sign better players

Easy really  :D

In all seriousness though, appointing better people and more people lower down the chain that focus on things like the matchday experience. Imagine situations like the seat stuff likely 
occur because the current staff are overrun.

You can have an expanded board, with more defined roles, including only have one registered CEO. 

You can have more fan involvement although I'm aware that's slightly optimistic. Certainly more fan led initiatives would help clean up some of the issues that crop up. 

More regular/better communication, hopefully based on Dane's record at Barnsley we'll get that but we wouldn't need to rely on journalists as much if the club actually gave more information out. Again possibly due to a lack of staff, possibly due to unwillingness to open up aspects of the business. I wouldn't expect day to day updates on transfer dealings but 1 interview with the owner (or the CEO pre Dane) in 4 years is clearly not enough. Relying on the manager to take all the flak and basically act as a mouth piece is not fair and adds unnecessary pressure on an already pressurised role.

I don't think the above is unreasonable, I just tried to think of what the more successful clubs/owner have done recently.

SA.  :cool:

[wassy04]

Cooper massive fav again, I think I'll just ignore the betting lol

Yeah its been admitted in the past they just inflate the odds to get people to bet when they start to drop. These markets are completely worthless.

[Strawberry Avenger]

The appointment of Steve Cooper is going to be a disaster in more ways than one.

A club that seemingly never listens or learns for that matter. Embarrassing really.

So its embarrassing that the Club do not listen and learn from you?

Its no more embarrassing than having to read that hubristic gibberish.

I'm not implying me at all. But Mao, Sniff asked for my thoughts what we should do and I posted them not so long ago end of Sabri/pre hughton. 

In terms on never listening or learning, that just goes for the 4 years they have been here, where they have received advice and offer of help but have never taken it as they know best. Seemingly they dont and seemingly will not learn.

Well I am not sure that is the case.

There was an acknowledgement that EM and Vrentzos had got things wrong over their first four years, hence the big review and the appointment of Murphy.

At the time, everyone bought in and thought it was a good idea; that coincidentally, was at the same time that Hughton was in his job.

So what has changed?

Hughton has been fired, very much as everyone expected, and Murphy gets to chose his own man.

Surely that should be a good thing, but its not.

Why is it not?

Because Murphy is now being deemed as not capable of selecting the right person, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever?

He either choses who the supporters want or he does not know what he is doing or he is just replicating the same mistakes.

I just do not buy into that.

I may not be Murphy's biggest fan, but he is the CEO and he is the one responsible for getting the right manager in; he should be allowed to get on with it.

This new philosophy we are supposedly building will never take place if we adopt an a la carte approach when it comes to following principles and processes, particularly when times are tough.

If Cooper is deemed to be the man, I can fully understand why; he plays pragmatic football as opposed to the expansive style we all want; he grinds out wins at a rate of 45%, which is not too bad.

We need someone who will play to our strengths, the very few that we have.

Expecting expansive football or all out attack with the players we have is bordering on the delusional; we just do not have the forwards to play that way.

I can fully understand people moaning about dour football; I am not entirely happy with it myself; but I will put up with it if it means staying up.

Yep.

SA.

[Fumanchew]

Would rather have Gary Brazil in for Saturday tbh