Thoughts On The Next Nottingham Forest Manager

[Paplane]

Pap, hear what you say, but we are not remotely at the stage of replacing CH with a fire fighter type coach/manger, just a good positive football type of one

The point i was struggling to make is that to get back on terms with the division if we leave it much longer without picking up points, the new guy cant be a slow and steady build a club type in the way CH is. He'll need to be an in your face type who squeezes that bit extra out of the players, like Bowyer did with Brum last season for example.

[Marinakis Red]

A few stats to consider.

A am waiting for somebody to tell me how we can let this fester any longer.

Hughton has played 25 homes games and won 6 - PATHETIC
Only 2 clubs in the entire 72 football league clubs scored less goals than us last season
Only 1 out of the 72 have made a worse start this season.
Zero improvement in team performances in his tenure.
Zero improvement in individual players in his tenure.
We don’t have an identity, we aren’t a possession based side, not a counter-attacking side, we don’t press high. We just rely on individual ability to score goals.

Other than he has won promotion before, can anybody please explain why the board have not removed him at the start of the last international  break.

Totally agree mate.

[Strawberry Avenger]

I'll be brutal on this but if we lose tomorrow playing the same dire football we have these past 12 months then i really think it is time to move on and see if a new manager can get a tune out of this squad.

Its not just the result that matters, but the manner of result.

As much as it pains me to say it, I agree Plymouth. CH has to demonstrate tomorrow that he can set a team up to go out and win a home game in a confident manner (and then do the same on Wednesday). Its a tough opponent in Cardiff so bad luck for CH but i think we're at a crossroads now. We either have to win games NOW regularly or we coast to a situation where we're cast adrift at the bottom and leave the next man a really really difficult task.

I remember getting this feeling about Sabri. My default position is that you back your manager 100% until his position becomes untenable. And im getting a feeling in my bones that its time.

As SA says above, Chris has mitigating circumstances (many of them) but we are where we are now unfortunately. Lose tomorrow and we need a firefighter as a manager and Chris is just not that.

Billy Davies.    :cool:

Though, I suspect Hughton won't be going down without a fight.  Say what we will about the glacial sabotage of the recruitment 'afforded' to Chris for the 1st four games.  The team still competed for him.  Only narrowly losing to to soft goals donated to the opposition by Samba.  Against teams that had spent more, recruited better and been together longer.  No less.

This is his 1st team.  I think he should get his 'ten games' and see where we are.  We're not going to be top 6.  We'll do well to hit mid-table (if the players perform.)

A couple of wins would change the complexion somewhat.  

It doesn't look good because if Forest win they stay in the bottom 3?  But another win could take them beyond that to mid-table. 

But he does need those wins despite the tide of mitigation.  If I were Dane, I'd back Hughton for ten.

However, I is not he.

SA.

We'll find out tomorrow SA if he's able to get any fight out of the players  I reckon our 2nd half improvement at the dip could well have been as much to do with Forest fan Worrall not wanting to go out with a whimper against our fierce rivals as much as any influence CH had.

Id love us to go on a mini run and look back at this game as our Fergie game.

:)

Funny you should say that, Pap'.  I was watching the rise fo the 'Premier League' (1st Division, as I call it...) and it did indeed feature Ferguson and just how much pressure he was under and how Cantana 'lit the blue touch paper' of the Fergie revolution with, ironically, them picking up Keane after we 'fell out of' the Premier as we all know.

They gave him six years and he hadn't won anything.  Could you imagine our current owners giving anyone six years?

We need Worrall in the side.  Good players count.  Pity we don't have somebody like him 'up front.'  The last year would have been very different.


SA.

[Alf]

Alf, Our present squad is OK except for a goal poacher and creator, it's the way CH sets up the team. Anybody with an ounce of footballing knowledge should be aware that to get promoted from the Championship you score loads of goals, defence is secondary. However CH priority is always based on a strong defence, it matters not a jot in todays game, score goals and we rise the table, S**t or bust for CH tomorrow, everything to gain and nothing to lose we cant go any lower then at present. If he picks a defensive side and plays negative football against Cardiff then Dane has every right to send him packing immediately down the M1.

Well jury's out until some of the new players play granted, but I still disagree about it being the manager's fault more than the squad. 

If it was mostly the manager's fault, why didn't Lamouchi get a tune out of a very similar one start of last year? 

I'm not absolving CH of his approach, I actually thought that staying with a defensive approach was the wrong choice when Lamouchi went. To me we should have taken that opportunity to evolve. But even so, I think it'd take a particular type of manager to get much out of this squad if the new players are of a similar level. Namely a Billy Davies type who's setup negates player weaknesses, and who's man-management squeezes every last drop from them.

I want to see what Hughton does now he's a few extra bodies and Worrall back. I'm not against him going, Lord knows it's a dire watch/listen (I'm not at games this year due to poor health) but I don't want us to just sack him for the sake of it and have a Paul Williams situation either.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Alf, Our present squad is OK except for a goal poacher and creator, it's the way CH sets up the team. Anybody with an ounce of footballing knowledge should be aware that to get promoted from the Championship you score loads of goals, defence is secondary. However CH priority is always based on a strong defence, it matters not a jot in todays game, score goals and we rise the table, S**t or bust for CH tomorrow, everything to gain and nothing to lose we cant go any lower then at present. If he picks a defensive side and plays negative football against Cardiff then Dane has every right to send him packing immediately down the M1.

Well jury's out until some of the new players play granted, but I still disagree about it being the manager's fault more than the squad. 

If it was mostly the manager's fault, why didn't Lamouchi get a tune out of a very similar one start of last year? 

I'm not absolving CH of his approach, I actually thought that staying with a defensive approach was the wrong choice when Lamouchi went. To me we should have taken that opportunity to evolve. But even so, I think it'd take a particular type of manager to get much out of this squad if the new players are of a similar level. Namely a Billy Davies type who's setup negates player weaknesses, and who's man-management squeezes every last drop from them.

I want to see what Hughton does now he's a few extra bodies and Worrall back. I'm not against him going, Lord knows it's a dire watch/listen (I'm not at games this year due to poor health) but I don't want us to just sack him for the sake of it and have a Paul Williams situation either.

:cool:

SA.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

John Terry spouting off that he's interested in the Forest job should CH be fired.

Thanks John but we are not interested in you.

[Turkish]

CH isn't getting performances out of the players I do not subscribe to the, we haven't got strikers, yes we have proven ones and 2 of them, the problem is they are out of form as you would naturally be if the whole emphasis of the game plan is based on defence and then defending a lead, strikers need to to be more than bit-part players they need to be the focal point of the team, both Taylor and Grabban have the swagger when they are on form as it is they mope around feeding off scraps

Last years squad was more than good enough the recruitment was poor in hindsight only, you cannot say we did not have talented players we did and the fact we struggle to create and score chances is not down to the talent available it's down to the set-up, born out by the sheer amount of attack-minded players who are underperforming, Taylor Grabban Lolley Ameobi Knocks Freeman Carv's and for that matter Yates who has plenty to offer in the opposition box all of them nowhere near there potential performance levels

Time to start playing with intent and a little bit of freedom as is its bloody tedious and monotonous crap week after week, I've nothing against CH but if he persists in the same old shit different day then it's hard to have much sympathy for him

You'd employ Wilder in a heartbeat surely

[Salvatore Matrecano]

John Terry spouting off that he's interested in the Forest job should CH be fired.

Thanks John but we are not interested in you.

Just out of interest, why not?

OK he doesn’t strike me as a particularly lovely bloke off the pitch but he was an undoubted leader on it. I think he is far more likely to go on to be a successful manager than Lampard for example, Im sure he will be a success somewhere.
The downside is that he would be untried and the circus of John Terry’s NFFC that would go with it but a purely objective head on I dont think its such a bad idea.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

John Terry spouting off that he's interested in the Forest job should CH be fired.

Thanks John but we are not interested in you.

Just out of interest, why not?

OK he doesn’t strike me as a particularly lovely bloke off the pitch but he was an undoubted leader on it. I think he is far more likely to go on to be a successful manager than Lampard for example, Im sure he will be a success somewhere.
The downside is that he would be untried and the circus of John Terry’s NFFC that would go with it but a purely objective head on I dont think its such a bad idea.

Psycho was an undoubted leader too but it meant nothing when it came to managing. Also would he command the respect of the player's? He's had allegations of racism and sexual thrown at him in the past. He's also got no managerial experience of course if I remember well.

Not sure what his case is to be given the job?

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

CH isn't getting performances out of the players I do not subscribe to the, we haven't got strikers, yes we have proven ones and 2 of them, the problem is they are out of form as you would naturally be if the whole emphasis of the game plan is based on defence and then defending a lead, strikers need to to be more than bit-part players they need to be the focal point of the team, both Taylor and Grabban have the swagger when they are on form as it is they mope around feeding off scraps

Last years squad was more than good enough the recruitment was poor in hindsight only, you cannot say we did not have talented players we did and the fact we struggle to create and score chances is not down to the talent available it's down to the set-up, born out by the sheer amount of attack-minded players who are underperforming, Taylor Grabban Lolley Ameobi Knocks Freeman Carv's and for that matter Yates who has plenty to offer in the opposition box all of them nowhere near there potential performance levels 

Time to start playing with intent and a little bit of freedom as is its bloody tedious and monotonous crap week after week, I've nothing against CH but if he persists in the same old S**t different day then it's hard to have much sympathy for him

You'd employ Wilder in a heartbeat surely

Interesting post that and one that I find myself agreeing with.

[Jean_claude_killy]

A few stats to consider.

A am waiting for somebody to tell me how we can let this fester any longer.

Hughton has played 25 homes games and won 6 - PATHETIC
Only 2 clubs in the entire 72 football league clubs scored less goals than us last season
Only 1 out of the 72 have made a worse start this season.
Zero improvement in team performances in his tenure.
Zero improvement in individual players in his tenure.
We don’t have an identity, we aren’t a possession based side, not a counter-attacking side, we don’t press high. We just rely on individual ability to score goals.

Other than he has won promotion before, can anybody please explain why the board have not removed him at the start of the last international  break.

Totally agree mate.

The statistics make for poor reading and form a compelling case to get rid; however, if that was going to happen, he should have been fired in the close season.

Bringing 10 new players in should have been the job of the replacement; the Club now have to sit tight and see if he can turn things round.

It is a strategy fraught with danger.

[ozzyten10]

He has lost the fans. Hard to come back from - but for me it’s time the players dug him out. The second half v Derby brings a little hope but my prediction is he will be gone by Thursday. Both games I think will see improved performances but not results. Needless free kicks with big lump centre halves scoring and tight losses will see him gone. Shame as I like the bloke but the football has been shocking.