Discuss Daniel Taylor's Thoughts

[Strawberry Avenger]

Why would Dane be upset if Vrentzos was ringing around some player's?

To be honest I don't think he did get upset for a minute despite what some might want to portray.

In fact Dane should and he probably did embrace and really appreciate that.

Yes we all know that Vrentzos was far from perfect in his roll of CEO but if Dane thinks that someone with much more experience than himself and with loads more contacts in the game than himself can assist and help him in some deals then where is the problem?
Dane would be a fool to turn down such an offer especially when he's only been in the job for five minutes.

All of that I agree with and hope that is they way they are working and cooperating together.

Thank you SM.

Is it not possible that everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet and working together in harmony?

Or do we always have to have all these conspiracy theories most of which are only in peoples minds.

Agreed.

I don't think it is conspiracy this time.

It's a start.  Plan B.

Nobody said it was a perfect start. 

It will take at least two more windows to transition.  This was never going to be a perfect Summer with millions spent on several signings in (3 million on LB? No.) a slow market where clubs won't let go unless they ream you on a player's value.  We're moving to a new structure on wages and have our valuation of players.

We can't have it both ways.

We're not Man City. Even Man City aren't Man City.

SA.

[Alf]

Why would Dane be upset if Vrentzos was ringing around some player's?

To be honest I don't think he did get upset for a minute despite what some might want to portray.

In fact Dane should and he probably did embrace and really appreciate that.

Yes we all know that Vrentzos was far from perfect in his roll of CEO but if Dane thinks that someone with much more experience than himself and with loads more contacts in the game than himself can assist and help him in some deals then where is the problem?
Dane would be a fool to turn down such an offer especially when he's only been in the job for five minutes.

Because Vrentzos' signings are mostly overpriced and shite. His contact list is a list of contacts to mostly crap players who can't hack it in the Championship.

If I were Dane I wouldn't want him anywhere near my job.

[Paplane]

Alfa Romeo is open to keeping Kimi Raikkonen in the team in an advisory role after the Finn retires from #F1

[Fumanchew]

Can he play left back?

[Strawberry Avenger]

Exactly Pap. Plus every club makes bad signings and has player's sitting around and not playing.

Listening to some you would think that it was only us.

Brereton's not a bad signing though. He's several years younger than Carvalho, and is already establishing himself way more.

He's 3 goals from 5 games this season, and if a club came knocking for him now Blackburn would prob be asking 10m+

Few clubs have made as many bad signings as us over the past few years. The hit rate has been woeful, the money spent on some of those players shocking, and the overall strategy abysmal. It's largely why we are relegation fodder.

Our recruitment nearly got Forest into the play offs under Aitor and Sabri.  It's not like it was 'all' bad.  But the lack of contingency planning and the abrupt transitions from managers in better position than we know sit and poor recruitment rate have finally played out on the pitch with Hughton's hands pretty much tied for the last year. (eg. MoN and Keane probably knew how it was but the club didn't want to listen so their position became untenable. But clearly the hierarchy at Forest knew better and almost got relegated last season and now we sit bottom. It's been coming for a long, long time.)

We still haven't got a successor to Grabban and the attempts at getting on have proved half hearted at best.  It doesn't have to be millions and millions.  But we do need to recruit one.  And it needs to be quality.  Other teams can do it who are far less resources than Forest.

Yeah, he's doing alright now, Brereton?  He's maturing.  Coming along nicely.

We're not at the point where we can keep players when good money comes a calling.

Though, that said, we kept Worrall and Brennan (because valuations weren't met.)

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Why would Dane be upset if Vrentzos was ringing around some player's?

To be honest I don't think he did get upset for a minute despite what some might want to portray.

In fact Dane should and he probably did embrace and really appreciate that.

Yes we all know that Vrentzos was far from perfect in his roll of CEO but if Dane thinks that someone with much more experience than himself and with loads more contacts in the game than himself can assist and help him in some deals then where is the problem?
Dane would be a fool to turn down such an offer especially when he's only been in the job for five minutes.

Because Vrentzos' signings are mostly overpriced and shite. His contact list is a list of contacts to mostly crap players who can't hack it in the Championship.

If I were Dane I wouldn't want him anywhere near my job.

....and under performing.

Why did we pick managers and players who didn't know the Championship? (Gawd. I'm starting to sound like Danny Taylor, 'Why LORD, WHY did you give this CUP of SUFFERING TO ME...' *You can't pick the team you support. It picks you, Danny. Doncha know dat?)

Hopefully, that's all in the past.

*I'm cautiously optimistic (I can't say I'm going to whack myself blind with excitement over the signings as someone will crawl out later saying, 'but you were whacking yourself blind with excitement over these players...' when the gypsy curse strikes and Forest lose 6 in a row to get Hughton sacked.)

The season starts at Cardiff, Hughton has something to work with at last. Actually fullbacks and more attacking 4-3-3 type stuff. Striker? *Shrugs. Who needs one of those.

SA.

*(Cue absolute meltdown on here as Cardiff head in the winning goal past our new LB and Samba at the near post.)

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Why would Dane be upset if Vrentzos was ringing around some player's?

To be honest I don't think he did get upset for a minute despite what some might want to portray.

In fact Dane should and he probably did embrace and really appreciate that.

Yes we all know that Vrentzos was far from perfect in his roll of CEO but if Dane thinks that someone with much more experience than himself and with loads more contacts in the game than himself can assist and help him in some deals then where is the problem?
Dane would be a fool to turn down such an offer especially when he's only been in the job for five minutes.

Because Vrentzos' signings are mostly overpriced and shite. His contact list is a list of contacts to mostly crap players who can't hack it in the Championship.

If I were Dane I wouldn't want him anywhere near my job.

That is not the point being made though Alf.

[Alf]

Good points SA. For me Sabri nearly got us to the playoffs by getting the most out of a team & system (look at the difference in Watson from previous years). The recruitment was largely average-poor. But they did at least snag a few OK players too. But would you want another 70-odd players through the door, and bloated wage bill, for the handful of decent signings they did make? I wouldn't. I'm not sure Dane would either.

I agree that 7m was good money for BB, my point was that few clubs sign as many duds as we have. Paplane was using BB as an example of Blackburn fans signing duds. But he's improved far more and far quicker than Carvalho has, or looks likely too sadly.

As you say, hopefully a lot of that is hopefully in the past now. Vrentzos is clearly an excellent accountant and negotiator. If Dane involves him in that capacity then that's cool. Having him involved in recruitment and sourcing players however feels like playing Steve Stone as a center forward. If he sticks to what he's good at, we'll all be better off for it.

Fingers crossed we see an upturn in results sooner rather than later with these new players. Personally, I think it's a step in the right direction, but there needs to be a lot of eyes on Jan too.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Good points SA. For me Sabri nearly got us to the playoffs by getting the most out of a team & system (look at the difference in Watson from previous years). The recruitment was largely average-poor. But they did at least snag a few OK players too. But would you want another 70-odd players through the door, and bloated wage bill, for the handful of decent signings they did make? I wouldn't. I'm not sure Dane would either.

I agree that 7m was good money for BB, my point was that few clubs sign as many duds as we have. Paplane was using BB as an example of Blackburn fans signing duds. But he's improved far more and far quicker than Carvalho has, or looks likely too sadly.

As you say, hopefully a lot of that is hopefully in the past now. Vrentzos is clearly an excellent accountant and negotiator. If Dane involves him in that capacity then that's cool. Having him involved in recruitment and sourcing players however feels like playing Steve Stone as a center forward. If he sticks to what he's good at, we'll all be better off for it.

Fingers crossed we see an upturn in results sooner rather than later with these new players. Personally, I think it's a step in the right direction, but there needs to be a lot of eyes on Jan too.

:cool:

Good post, that Alf.  

SA.

[Paplane]

Can he play left back?

Probably better than Bong can to be honest. But does new boy Bottas want Kimi Raikkonen hanging around in the background? Maybe not but there's an argument that you just dont chuck experience away when there's a handing over of a role from an individual to another.

[wassy04]

Good points SA. For me Sabri nearly got us to the playoffs by getting the most out of a team & system (look at the difference in Watson from previous years). The recruitment was largely average-poor. But they did at least snag a few OK players too. But would you want another 70-odd players through the door, and bloated wage bill, for the handful of decent signings they did make? I wouldn't. I'm not sure Dane would either.

I agree that 7m was good money for BB, my point was that few clubs sign as many duds as we have. Paplane was using BB as an example of Blackburn fans signing duds. But he's improved far more and far quicker than Carvalho has, or looks likely too sadly.

As you say, hopefully a lot of that is hopefully in the past now. Vrentzos is clearly an excellent accountant and negotiator. If Dane involves him in that capacity then that's cool. Having him involved in recruitment and sourcing players however feels like playing Steve Stone as a center forward. If he sticks to what he's good at, we'll all be better off for it.

Fingers crossed we see an upturn in results sooner rather than later with these new players. Personally, I think it's a step in the right direction, but there needs to be a lot of eyes on Jan too.

Forget loans as aside from last year with Christie and Garner we've had a pretty bad run.

Permanent signings though there have been a couple of hits:

McKenna
Soh (jurys still out at least)
Samba
Sow
Silva
Grabban

How many of that 70 is permanent? I optimistically assume only half and the rest loans?

[Alf]

Good points SA. For me Sabri nearly got us to the playoffs by getting the most out of a team & system (look at the difference in Watson from previous years). The recruitment was largely average-poor. But they did at least snag a few OK players too. But would you want another 70-odd players through the door, and bloated wage bill, for the handful of decent signings they did make? I wouldn't. I'm not sure Dane would either.

I agree that 7m was good money for BB, my point was that few clubs sign as many duds as we have. Paplane was using BB as an example of Blackburn fans signing duds. But he's improved far more and far quicker than Carvalho has, or looks likely too sadly.

As you say, hopefully a lot of that is hopefully in the past now. Vrentzos is clearly an excellent accountant and negotiator. If Dane involves him in that capacity then that's cool. Having him involved in recruitment and sourcing players however feels like playing Steve Stone as a center forward. If he sticks to what he's good at, we'll all be better off for it.

Fingers crossed we see an upturn in results sooner rather than later with these new players. Personally, I think it's a step in the right direction, but there needs to be a lot of eyes on Jan too.

Forget loans as aside from last year with Christie and Garner we've had a pretty bad run.

Permanent signings though there have been a couple of hits:

McKenna
Soh (jurys still out at least)
Samba
Sow
Silva
Grabban

How many of that 70 is permanent? I optimistically assume only half and the rest loans?

How many of those signings have we sold on for a sizeable profit though? Also, it's OK dismissing loans as if we don't pay them wages, but we do. Not to mention loan fees. Taylor himself says Diakhaby's oan fee was "sizeable"

And I think the fact that out of the permeant signings 4 of them cost 20m (Carvalho, Jenks, Da Costa & Soudani) is more damning though. We allegedly got some money back for Soudani, so strike him off the list and that's still 17m in transfer fees alone flushed straight down the toilet.

Overall it has been nothing short of an utter disaster IMO, and is one of the prime reasons why the club's now in such a mess.