You Decide

[Paplane]

Thats my last contribution too on this thread. Lets let it die away now. Potentially exiciting day ahead tomorrow.

[Marinakis Red]

Sniff can speak for himself, but like me he's probably kicking back at Murphy as a way of responding to the binary world that Forest fans operate in. Ie this person/player/manager is good until its decided hes bad. No grey area in between, no extenuating circumstances, just hero or villian.

I'm not included in that I'd like to think my views are balanced when things are done well I say and praise and when they are not I call it how I see it, it's always been fair. Vrentzos had 4 years in the job and were currently bottom of the championship, I wonder if Dane is afforded the same time and given the same tools and resource to see where we will be with the modern approach. That seems fair does it not?

If Dane moves us on actually on the pitch like Vrentzos did off it in that time we may be a lot closer to where we want to be.

[Marinakis Red]

Thats my last contribution too on this thread. Lets let it die away now. Potentially exiciting day ahead tomorrow.

Amen mate. Let's hope it's an exciting one.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Thought I had logged on to Vital.

This is normally the kind of thing that comes up on there when the kids are off school.

I think Sniff's just venting at the double standards that are in place with Forest fans at the moment. Everyone needs to blame someone for the clubs predicament. At the moment its Vrentzos even though very few people actually know what the guy did day to day at the club. And CH gets the flack because he's an obvious villian for fans to attack.

Dane Murphy is currently viewed as the bees kness, the future, the one with all the answers who can do no wrong. But, like a player who plays 5 games before we can see he's S**t, theres a good chance that Murphy might hit the dead end just like Fawaz and Doughty found, that running a big Championship club is damn hard.

Dane Murphy isn't viewed as the bees knees.  But he's someone who's spoken about the importance of a plan, identify and making every decision you take, relevant to that.  That's pre and present day he's spoken about it.  Some of us, myself included relate to that notion.

The idea of a bigger picture and process that is beyond today.

The club absolutely have not followed that idea, Randall (through gritted teeth) admitted as much in his recent interview.

People are putting hope into Murphy, because his ideologies much closer relate to those who are having success in the modern game, as opposed to the approach the club has been taking in the past number of years. Of course you'll get people going overboard and speaking with certainties but you have to see through that anyway.

My frustrations with what's happened these previous years is not the ambition.  It's the whole plan.  Arrogance and ignorance to how football has changed in recent years and how we've been trying to do what worked 5-10 years ago.  Chasing instant success with a lack of regard to how we actually aim to achieve it.  We knew what we wanted, but we didn't really think how to get there.

Aside from that, the reason Vrentzos specifically gets stick, from me, is because of how he has treated people.  I wont go into boring details, but people in non-football admin roles at the club left because of him and how poorly he treated people.  The bomb squad is a perfect example of an overt way of players being treated poorly, let alone admin staff.  Players getting told they're leaving and having removals turning up to boot them out.

Constant falling out with agents which impacted players we had now, who we could sign and if players had to leave.  How pathetic is that? How can pettiness take precedence over football operations?

We've got Gaetan Bong at left-back, a, because Vrentzos is good pals with his agent and b, because one of the ones we recently signed is an agent Vrentzos fell out with and as such he wouldn't let him be played anymore.

Now.  EM, Vrenztos and co are nowhere near as bad as Fawaz.  Absolutely nowhere near.  We're a respectable business again, they are genuinely ambitious and want success.  But I don't think they know how to go about achieving it with Forest at this level.  But they're not used to facing as many challenges either and they don't like to be challenged by fans on the matter.  Many fans have been blocked on social media for voicing their frustration, Vrentzos has previous followed and unfollowed people on twitter to let them know he's reading what they're saying.  Forza Garibaldi weren't allowed to be involved in the Q&A but the Trust were cos of their kid gloves approach and not wanting to be cut off.

It's all very petty and very much against the greater good of the club.

That's why people are frustrated with EM and Vrentzos.  At times it feels like our intelligence is being insulted.  

They're a couple of poor decisions away from mutiny right now.  They'd do well to back the man whose approach is aligned with the modern game (Dane Murphy) and not use him as a scapegoat or handicap him in any kind of self serving - 'he can't do it either, so don't blame us'.

Interesting.

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Thats my last contribution too on this thread. Lets let it die away now. Potentially exiciting day ahead tomorrow.

Hope so. ;)

SA.

[TrickySte]

More challenging Sniffs double standards mate and asking a couple of questions this morning that he just could not answer. Having asked me to have a balanced approach. I just asked for the same when he came on this morning saying he will hammer Dane. 

I just wanted to know why he did not do the same when Vrentzos signed diakhaby, da Costa and bong from a position of strength. Then he set this thread up. They are the only double standards. I have praised marinakis and in fact Vrentzos for the off field state of the club. But cannot challenge recruitment under Vrentzos but Sniff can hammer Dane. I said it would be a different debate had we recruited well in that window, again dont you mate?

I think that is fair enough dont you? I'm not sure how you can compare Dane to fawaz and doughty, he does not own the club. It is not his money.

Absolutely, well said.

[PsychoStanleyStone]

what about the mothership death star?  ah i see

treating legends like vermin, beaming down aliens in macs, sucking out Hughtons brain

Darth Vader or Davros ... who's the most huggable? .... you decide!

They sucked his brain out?  

SA.

Fazza allegedly told Pearce he had to get a tattoo across his forehead ''Visit Kuwait the sunshine state'' or get sacked

Freedman was so low paid he had to work on a sex line at night and seems he had a 'regular' who got off on talking tactics

[Salvatore Matrecano]

If ever a thread deserved these sort of comments from PSS its this one. Sniffer please delete it tomorrow.

[Tricky]

If ever a thread deserved these sort of comments from PSS its this one. Sniffer please delete it tomorrow.

I agree. There is far too much animosity and anger on this site at the moment and these kinds of things really don't help.

It's like listening to young kids in the playground arguing................"My dads bigger than your dad" "Yeah thats cos your dads fatter than my dad" etc etc

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

More challenging Sniffs double standards mate and asking a couple of questions this morning that he just could not answer. Having asked me to have a balanced approach. I just asked for the same when he came on this morning saying he will hammer Dane. 

I just wanted to know why he did not do the same when Vrentzos signed diakhaby, da Costa and bong from a position of strength. Then he set this thread up. They are the only double standards. I have praised marinakis and in fact Vrentzos for the off field state of the club. But cannot challenge recruitment under Vrentzos but Sniff can hammer Dane. I said it would be a different debate had we recruited well in that window, again dont you mate?

I think that is fair enough dont you? I'm not sure how you can compare Dane to fawaz and doughty, he does not own the club. It is not his money.

Absolutely, well said.

What are you on about I couldn't answer?

I don't want to answer because I am fed up to the back teeth of the whole thing and going round and round in circles.

Vrentzos this, Vrentzos that. It's  boring.

And this isn't a poll either what someone asked for on another thread. Can anyone see a poll attached?

And if anybody thinks it's a Vital type thread then you are free to go back there at any time if you want.

I think some don't like it because it proves that they are wrong and it doesn't suit their agendas that EM and IV are just as bad if not worse that Fawaz and Emad.

That's it for me I am not posting on this thread any more.

[Uwantlee]

I have held back posting anything on this thread as I said to Sniff last week that I wouldn't post about EM.... it seems unless it's positive its just not acceptable.

I really think a lot hinges on today regarding the wider fan base and apinion of EM. Everything Sniff says is correct regarding the differences between fawaz and EM. However, as I have said repeatedly, when push comes to shove, no one is really concerned with a the good off field stuff if the first team continue to go backwards because it is the first team nd the results on the pitch that we pay to watch and follow around the country.

Now a couple of points. I have never wanted EM to be replaced I, just like the rest of us, want to see on pitch improvement and that this regime is learning from mistakes. If it is true that we are getting another oly cast off then mistakes are still being made. Despite the off field improvements we are worse on the pitch now than we ever were under fawaz. This is why today is important. We could be a whole lot stronger by 11pm and all will be well. The only question would be why it took until we had amassed 1 point from 15 to get the players in. Don't want to hear difficult market other teams have managed... bloody Derby have managed. We have gone about offering peanuts and being knocked back... however all will be well at 11pm should we strengthen considerably.

If today is as the rest of the window has been then we are in trouble. If the worst should happen and we get relegated then there will not be much support for EM.

Let's hope today goes as we hope

[SSM]

Vrentzos Actually Out this time please.

Had his filthy hands all over this window again.