Budget - Speculate To Accumulate?

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 Then our planning for this summer has been shocking. He has been with us 6 weeks so he is not to blame. Where was the ash for this list Brazil drew up way before Dane arrived. If that plan included selling worrall to fund it then again how is that Danes fault? If it didnt? Where is the money?

Then our planning for this summer has been shocking. 
Agreed. We should've got Dane in and then taken a holding season to enable him to have a decent run into next summer's window.

He has been with us 6 weeks so he is not to blame. 
So what's he been doing for 6 weeks? He's had more than enough time to evaluate the market, the squad, the manager's thoughts. He's been able to make bids in that time too so he's not sitting there and doing nothing.

Where was the cash for this list Brazil drew up way before Dane arrived.
Do you honestly think the club didn't have some serious and lengthy discussions with Dane before he arrived? He wont have just turned up on day one to learn about the (lack of) budget. He will have been able to advise before the plan was put into place that he didn't think the budget would be sufficient for the goals set for recruitment 

If that plan included selling Worrall to fund it then again how is that Danes fault? If it didnt? Where is the money?
Worrall could have broken his leg at the first pre-season game, or just refused to move. It can happen. There must have been scenario's in 'the plan' to cover the eventuality that there would be a lack of a sale.  It seems to me he's gambled he would sell Worrall and that's not happened. He's now had to back track and revert to plan B, while CH lashes up the side and takes the hit for it.

Bids with what money Pap? I've not had an answer to it yet. Without going over point over and over again, I will end up getting tedious too. The worrall decision would of been made prior to his arrival, unfortunately that how we have been run for a while now. We have sold every summer for the last 4 years to be able to spend. That is not Danes fault either. I'd imagine the plan sold to Dane included the worrall sale too. It has not happened. 

But het let Danes boss vrentzos sort this mess out. As I've said previously the big man will have to loosen the purse strings and fast.

There is cash imo. I reckon for the last 4 seasons we've raised about £8m a year in sales. Last season we got £15m for Cash. I reckon that's funding us at a minimal base level this window. We clearly have a small budget for players this season. We put bids into 'crisis' clubs Derby and Reading to try to test their resolve. If those clubs were desperate we would've completed on some transfers from them weeks ago. We've put small bids in for players who are clearly valued at more than we feel they're worth. We have money to spend, just not much of it, and certainly not enough to land all our targets even if they're on the modest list. All that just reinforces my arguments. The issue is not that EM wont provide the money, it's that we have very little leeway in ffp terms. All that will have been apparent with or without a Worral sale.

Why have players been allowed to leave the club? Two left backs have left under Dane's watch. We have a perfectly adequate reserve RB sitting in the stands under Dane's watch. He's never going to walk on his contract. Why aren't we using him?

And you don't know that Vrentzos is Dane's boss do you?  You're just as out of order in saying that as you claim I am for critising Dane. Both arguments are based on our perceptions of what we think the arrangement is. We dont know whats going on internally, what involvement Vrentzos is having. I personally hope he steps in and sorts a few transfers out.

Come on Jenkinson is S**t, I'd definitely rather Back played. :D

Now you're getting silly.  :dodgy:

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

A go between is not Danes boss MR.

A go between is a go between.

Murphy is the CEO, the CEO runs the club on a day to day basis. Vrentzos has left Nottingham and is in Athens, I know becuase I saw him.

'Hello Mr Murphy and welcome to Nottingham Forest, thanks it's a great honour to be here as the clubs new CEO. Oh sorry Dane I forgot to tell you that you are not in charge. Oh ok no problem don't worry about it'.

It very much sounded like a boss to me when I listened to it, maybe have another listen. 

So where is the money then Sniff? You know my thoughts on this summer I kindly sent it in a PM to you. We shall leave it at that for now. 1 week to sell a player that right now nobody wants or Mr Marinakis needs to loosen the purse strings. I'll wait to be stand corrected and openly admit I'm wrong If over the next 7 days we start spending cash without a sale. I'm not talking pittance I'm talking the targets we wanted that right now we cannot afford and that is Danes fault. 

I am going to task him to do my weekly shop on a tenner but I want fillet steak and caviar every night for the next 7, he will not deliver that either.

The world has gone mad  :D

So let me just get this right before I make a psychiatrist appointment.

You are saying that Dane Murphy left his position of CEO at Barnsley to be Vrentzos puppet at Nottingham Forest?

That is what you are saying right?

[Marinakis Red]

A go between is not Danes boss MR.

A go between is a go between.

Murphy is the CEO, the CEO runs the club on a day to day basis. Vrentzos has left Nottingham and is in Athens, I know becuase I saw him.

'Hello Mr Murphy and welcome to Nottingham Forest, thanks it's a great honour to be here as the clubs new CEO. Oh sorry Dane I forgot to tell you that you are not in charge. Oh ok no problem don't worry about it'.

It very much sounded like a boss to me when I listened to it, maybe have another listen. 

So where is the money then Sniff? You know my thoughts on this summer I kindly sent it in a PM to you. We shall leave it at that for now. 1 week to sell a player that right now nobody wants or Mr Marinakis needs to loosen the purse strings. I'll wait to be stand corrected and openly admit I'm wrong If over the next 7 days we start spending cash without a sale. I'm not talking pittance I'm talking the targets we wanted that right now we cannot afford and that is Danes fault. 

I am going to task him to do my weekly shop on a tenner but I want fillet steak and caviar every night for the next 7, he will not deliver that either.

The world has gone mad  :D

So let me just get this right before I make a psychiatrist appointment.

You are saying that Dane Murphy left his position of CEO at Barnsley to be Vrentzos puppet at Nottingham Forest?

That is what you are saying right?

Depends how transparent they were at the time doesn't it sniff, you know that as well as I do. They have certainly not been transparent with the fans that I do know. That we all know. 

I am saying Dane said in his words that he reports in to Vrentzos, he speaks to him 2/3 times a day, make of that what you will and I'll make of it what i will. That is the state of the club as I understand it.

Maybe DT will run an article again soon to clarify  :D

[Ciscokid]

How is it that if we're short of money and there now seems to be strong evidence that we are, how is it that we have such a huge non playing staff. Compared with say, Barnsley who had a Chairman, Murphy, a manager and scouts as the group who ran things, we have so many more and I would suggest more highly paid. If we are to settle for mid table championship then shouldn't the off field structure match that status. It just seems odd to me to pay for a premiership structure and to settle for mediocrity.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Are you sure that wasn't during the 'switchover' period MR?

I did hear the interview by the way. Dane also said that he had turned down offers from the PL.

You don't leave your post as CEO at Barnsley and turn down jobs at PL clubs to be a puppet for Johnny Vrentzos at Forest.

Sorry mate it just doesn't add up I'm afraid.

[Marinakis Red]

Are you sure that wasn't during the 'switchover' period MR?

I did hear the interview by the way. Dane also said that he had turned down offers from the PL.

You don't leave your post as CEO at Barnsley and turn down jobs at PL clubs to be a puppet for Johnny Vrentzos at Forest.

Sorry mate it just doesn't add up I'm afraid.

He certainly did not say it was a transitional period that it would be the case, he was specifically asked that question and that is how he answered. Like I say I'll take my theory that he reports in to Vrentzos, that is what he said. 

PR spin, Randall said we were the envy of premier league teams 2 weeks ago, do you think we are that?   :)

I'll agree with you something is not adding up, you do not manage to sign Daryl Dike one of the MLS up and coming  prized assets for Barnsley if you do not know what you're doing. 

I think it all comes back to the budget mate and like I said I'm open to say I'm wrong if I am but we will know come 11pm in a weeks time. If we sell someone in the mean time for top dollar and then all of a sudden players come rolling in I'll say my theory was right.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Ok mate fair enough but I just want to say one more thing though.

I hope that every time something good happens we are not going to be lauding Dane and every time something bad happens we are not going to pin it on Vrentzos. That woudn't be right.

The above is based on your theory which I don't believe to be right because I can't imagine that Dane would come here to be Vrentzos puppet but I respect your opinion and so I will leave it here now  :sick:

[Marinakis Red]

Ok mate fair enough but I just want to say one more thing though.

I hope that every time something good happens we are not going to be lauding Dane and every time something bad happens we are not going to pin it on Vrentzos. That woudn't be right.

The above is based on your theory which I don't believe to be right because I can't imagine that Dane would come here to be Vrentzos puppet but I respect your opinion and so I will leave it here now  :sick:

Totally agree that is not right nor will I do that, on the ownership thread as a whole you know my thoughts, I think the club as a whole other than the first team pitch has moved on and I give praise and acknowledgement of it. 

I also have no problem selling a player to finance our deals and targets if that is the position we find ourselves in. I'm comfortable with it. No point going on about wasted money, it's the here and now this week and its critical to how we move forward as a club. I hope Dane moves the club forward, I think the approach that has been outlined will move the club forward. He needs the finance to achieve it and those need manipulating a little it seems. I'm not sure he achieves that in one window either maybe 3 or 4 and we will look a lot different. 

I respect you and your opinion and always willing to debate mate. That makes a good forum. I think all of our frustrations currently do not help as we all want success.

[Strawberry Avenger]

A go between is not Danes boss MR.

A go between is a go between.

Murphy is the CEO, the CEO runs the club on a day to day basis. Vrentzos has left Nottingham and is in Athens, I know becuase I saw him.

'Hello Mr Murphy and welcome to Nottingham Forest, thanks it's a great honour to be here as the clubs new CEO. Oh sorry Dane I forgot to tell you that you are not in charge. Oh ok no problem don't worry about it'.

Dane, he's got a bit of a 'to do' list on his desk.  For sure.

So he's actually back in Greece.  I don't blame him.  There was no need for the Mr. V 'out' stuff.  At all.  He must be due a break from the English game.  He's not had alot of thanks for the sound work he's done off the pitch.

SA.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

A go between is not Danes boss MR.

A go between is a go between.

Murphy is the CEO, the CEO runs the club on a day to day basis. Vrentzos has left Nottingham and is in Athens, I know becuase I saw him.

'Hello Mr Murphy and welcome to Nottingham Forest, thanks it's a great honour to be here as the clubs new CEO. Oh sorry Dane I forgot to tell you that you are not in charge. Oh ok no problem don't worry about it'.

It very much sounded like a boss to me when I listened to it, maybe have another listen. 

So where is the money then Sniff? You know my thoughts on this summer I kindly sent it in a PM to you. We shall leave it at that for now. 1 week to sell a player that right now nobody wants or Mr Marinakis needs to loosen the purse strings. I'll wait to be stand corrected and openly admit I'm wrong If over the next 7 days we start spending cash without a sale. I'm not talking pittance I'm talking the targets we wanted that right now we cannot afford and that is Danes fault. 

I am going to task him to do my weekly shop on a tenner but I want fillet steak and caviar every night for the next 7, he will not deliver that either.

The world has gone mad  :D

So let me just get this right before I make a psychiatrist appointment.

You are saying that Dane Murphy left his position of CEO at Barnsley to be Vrentzos puppet at Nottingham Forest?

That is what you are saying right?

Maybe DT will run an article again soon to clarify  :D

Bloody hell I hope not. That's the last thing we need right now :)

[Marinakis Red]

A go between is not Danes boss MR.

A go between is a go between.

Murphy is the CEO, the CEO runs the club on a day to day basis. Vrentzos has left Nottingham and is in Athens, I know becuase I saw him.

'Hello Mr Murphy and welcome to Nottingham Forest, thanks it's a great honour to be here as the clubs new CEO. Oh sorry Dane I forgot to tell you that you are not in charge. Oh ok no problem don't worry about it'.

It very much sounded like a boss to me when I listened to it, maybe have another listen. 

So where is the money then Sniff? You know my thoughts on this summer I kindly sent it in a PM to you. We shall leave it at that for now. 1 week to sell a player that right now nobody wants or Mr Marinakis needs to loosen the purse strings. I'll wait to be stand corrected and openly admit I'm wrong If over the next 7 days we start spending cash without a sale. I'm not talking pittance I'm talking the targets we wanted that right now we cannot afford and that is Danes fault. 

I am going to task him to do my weekly shop on a tenner but I want fillet steak and caviar every night for the next 7, he will not deliver that either.

The world has gone mad  :D

So let me just get this right before I make a psychiatrist appointment.

You are saying that Dane Murphy left his position of CEO at Barnsley to be Vrentzos puppet at Nottingham Forest?

That is what you are saying right?

Maybe DT will run an article again soon to clarify  :D

Bloody hell I hope not. That's the last thing we need right now :)

That comment was a joke Sniff and said in jest, it is the last thing we need right now  :)

[Redreg]

LB.  Winger.  No.10.  RB.  Striker. 

We've still got room for a couple more loans.  But we should be getting in some permanents.  I don't like the idea of a club pulling the rug on ie.  The Nicky Shorey effect.

SA.

Its a 8 we need SA and have done since Silva left