Thoughts On The Next Nottingham Forest Manager

[wassy04]

Steve Cooper will do for me, he had Swansea playing some good football and his team made us look very poor, likes to play fast attacking football.

Ha his Swansea team was very negative, they only played fast attacking football against our reserves in the cup.

[wassy04]

It’s got to be frank lampard and Jody Morris for me as frank needs to proove himself again
If not I would take a punt on gary monk

Gary Monk would get in the player's faces thats for sure. I think hed take the job too.

Monk is definitely a worse manager than CH

[GaribaldiRED]

It's funny how things work out.

I remember Valerien Ismael when he worked here in Greece (probably not many people know that).

Anyway he was bloody useless.

I can just imagine the meltdown on here if EM would have appointed him :)

It's a funny old game.

Interesting Sniff. It's a very demanding way of playing and if you don't have the right players or you are not able to get them onboard then you will fail. 

I like this short interview from The Telegraph. It describes short and crisp his approach.

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Valerien Ismael has lifted the lid on his plan to guide West Bromwich Albion to promotion this term.

The Frenchman enjoyed a wonderful first season in English football after taking charge of Barnsley where he led the club to a surprise spot in the Championship play-offs.

Since then Ismael has left Oakwell and moved to the Hawthorns where expectations will be significantly higher as they target an immediate return to the Premier League after suffering relegation last term.

Ismael’s tactical approach is a notable aspect of his early success in the EFL and, speaking to The Telegraph, the new West Brom boss has given an insight into how his team will function.

Speaking to The Telegraph, Ismael said: “We play 3-4-3 and all the players – the three centre-halves, wing-backs, the No. 6 and front-three – need to hit numbers to make sure we have that intensity.

“The numbers will be total distance, high-speed and sprinting. After that you have another measure which is the player load.
“When I choose a player he must not drop below the average line. If they do, the question is are they injured or unfit, or do we need another one.
“This is my way to success and the good thing with the data is that you don’t need finance, or an agent telling you things, it’s about finding the right player for the position.”

[SSM]

Gary Monk... Please god no.

I think we need someone with new ideas, who is comfortable with lads without a lot of experience, but who have quality, mobility and a desire to press and attack the opposition.

Someone with real intensity.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

My choice is someone who is already employed in the Championship. I won't name him yet though.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

It's funny how things work out.

I remember Valerien Ismael when he worked here in Greece (probably not many people know that).

Anyway he was bloody useless.

I can just imagine the meltdown on here if EM would have appointed him :)

It's a funny old game.

Agree with that. If Vrentzos/EM appointed him you would never hear the end of it, similarly lack of signings so far would have been blamed on the owner losing interest and not being willing to back the club.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Steve Cooper will do for me, he had Swansea playing some good football and his team made us look very poor, likes to play fast attacking football.

Dull.

He'd sink like a stone here.

Couldn't beat Brentford in the play offs.

Hit every branch on that tree on the way down though.

SA.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Think we would go foreign and unknown no us regardless. American? Seems to be the one country Murphy seems able to pick players up from.

[SSM]

My choice is someone who is already employed in the Championship. I won't name him yet though.

Interesting.

I look across the league, and consider managers who are realistic(ish) or may be out of a job soon

Nathan Jones - I like him, failed at Stoke but wrong club.  Also brings Paul Hart and Chris Cohen with him... 

Mark Robins - Done wonders with a little budget at Coventry, he has adapted to the modern game, however had a lot of time to do so.

Corberan - Not doing well at Hudders, but stylistically, likes Bielsa-ball.

Jokanovic - Will probably be sacked soon, don't want him, but strikes me as the sort EM would want.  Had previous success in short period of time

[GaribaldiRED]

My choice is someone who is already employed in the Championship. I won't name him yet though.

Valerien Ismael  :D

[wassy04]

My choice is someone who is already employed in the Championship. I won't name him yet though.

Would Rooney even take the job though?   :D

[Strawberry Avenger]

It's funny how things work out.

I remember Valerien Ismael when he worked here in Greece (probably not many people know that).

Anyway he was bloody useless.

I can just imagine the meltdown on here if EM would have appointed him :)

It's a funny old game.

Interesting Sniff. It's a very demanding way of playing and if you don't have the right players or you are not able to get them onboard then you will fail. 

I like this short interview from The Telegraph. It describes short and crisp his approach.

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Valerien Ismael has lifted the lid on his plan to guide West Bromwich Albion to promotion this term.

The Frenchman enjoyed a wonderful first season in English football after taking charge of Barnsley where he led the club to a surprise spot in the Championship play-offs.

Since then Ismael has left Oakwell and moved to the Hawthorns where expectations will be significantly higher as they target an immediate return to the Premier League after suffering relegation last term.

Ismael’s tactical approach is a notable aspect of his early success in the EFL and, speaking to The Telegraph, the new West Brom boss has given an insight into how his team will function.

Speaking to The Telegraph, Ismael said: “We play 3-4-3 and all the players – the three centre-halves, wing-backs, the No. 6 and front-three – need to hit numbers to make sure we have that intensity.

“The numbers will be total distance, high-speed and sprinting. After that you have another measure which is the player load.
“When I choose a player he must not drop below the average line. If they do, the question is are they injured or unfit, or do we need another one.
“This is my way to success and the good thing with the data is that you don’t need finance, or an agent telling you things, it’s about finding the right player for the position.”

Laudable abc from Ishmael.  But as Sniff' notes, there would have been a melt down had he been appointed here.  It's easy to be coveting after the fact.  He talks of intensity.  'The Holy Grail.'  It won't be along before other teams catch up with that as they eventually caught up with Clough's methods. Also note: very easy to apply that to a club that does have resources for have been doing things 'that way' for a while because it was pragmatic. Forest are neither WBA or Barnsley. They're stuck in between. Not a shoe string club nor have they Premiership riches. So having a 'smart' CEO makes sense. But it's going to be a painful transition, regardless. We can forget about top 6 this season.

3-4-3.  Forest care barely field a formation they've been playing since Aitor left.

You still need quality recruitment.  And he noted that you're talking about high octane and volume fitness and asks the question: are they injured or unfit or do we need another player.  (All three questions apply to the current developmental & recruitment 'transition' - some may use the word 'crisis' after the latest defeat.)

We may be moving to a younger player developmental model.  And longer term (if we stick with the current plan) we'll need appointments to reflect that.

If we were doing things on a budget, the club should have been honest about that.  Sounds like we're going back to Mark Warburton, time to build etc.  Luton have got the progressive shoe string approach going with Nathan, Cohen and Hart?  We had Hart.  We couldn't back him when he needed it.  Not all the managers have been great.  But we have had good managers, some excellent ones and Forest have a history of pulling the rug.

SA.