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(15-06-2021, 07:45 AM)Tricky Wrote: (14-06-2021, 09:12 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Some people making stuff up to suit their own agenda again.
Where do you get turning up once in 6, 7 or 10 games from?
In 18/19 he scored 4 goals and 8 assists in 28 starts and 10 sub appearances. That is a much better ratio than you are suggesting.
Just to remind you by comparison those stats would have him 2nd top scorer last season and our leading assist player was Cyrus Christie with a whopping 3.
Yes I know he needs to show more and he didnt deliver on loan last season but treated correctly he has the potential and stop going on about him needing to grow a backbown it’s getting boring and its wrong.
Talk about suiting their own agenda SM. I notice you used the 18/19 stats which look nice and pretty. How about the 19/20 season where in 26 games he played in (all competitions) he managed 2 goals and 1 assist.
He has been with the club for three seasons now and was loaned out last season. At £3M per season (as stated elsewhere) he has managed a whopping 6 goals and 9 assists. Its hardly the type of returns I would expect from a player that has cost the club so much.
Why is it wrong to state what is needed? He doesn't have the right attitude to play in the Championship. Simple as. Yet some of you still see him as some kind of messiah who will inject pace, majesticity and moments of magic week in week out. I just can't see it happening. Sorry, but thats what I see. I find it hard to see him through rose tinted glasses when he has cost the club so much for so very little return.
What I do accept is he is probably mentally scarred after his injury at Alfreton, which I feel is affecting his performances.
By the way, i never stated 6,7 or 10 games, i said every 6 or 7. Who's making up stuff to suit their own agenda now?
First season under AK Carvalho was central to the way the team plays. Carv was Ak's man. Then when other managers come in and set the team up differently Carv has to fight for his shirt, or even just make an impact when he's given a chance. He can't do it.
He's a talented lad. He maybe just doesn't have the all round temperament to be a top footballer. IMO he needs a really decent manager who can sort him out, get him confident, pull his strings. Cloughy would've done it I'm sure. I'm hoping CH can see something in Carv and get a tune out of him, if the club are willing to take him back. Probably wont happen though.
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CH can only do so much though to try and get a tune out of him. Carvalho needs to want it too.
Doe's he want it? We will see.
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I agree with that Sniff, I question whether he wants it enough too. I dont like it when people say he shirks tackles and doenst have a backbone, dont think thats fair which is why I was grumpy to Tricky yesterday. I don’t necessarily think he needs to spend time in the gym but yes I take your point is he on the beach or is he practicing to be a better footballer?
There are 3 basic problems with him
The financial burden he places on the club
The fact he is only really effective in one position
His attitude/determination to succeed- no proof of this just sense it.
On the plus side though you have a player when utilised properly is a match winner which is why I cherry picked the stats from the one season he was played effectively. The other thing which is important is the entertainment value. Our younger fans idolised him that first year, we need more of that, players that get them excited and make them want to come to the games, Mighten and Johnson hopefully can do the same.
Carvalho is still only 24, there is still time for him, but if the club are to continue spending £3M a year for him he needs to show us he wants to be here too.
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Yes good post that SM and I think you have pretty much nailed it.
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(15-06-2021, 01:04 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: I agree with that Sniff, I question whether he wants it enough too. I dont like it when people say he shirks tackles and doenst have a backbone, dont think thats fair which is why I was grumpy to Tricky yesterday. I don’t necessarily think he needs to spend time in the gym but yes I take your point is he on the beach or is he practicing to be a better footballer?
There are 3 basic problems with him
The financial burden he places on the club
The fact he is only really effective in one position
His attitude/determination to succeed- no proof of this just sense it.
On the plus side though you have a player when utilised properly is a match winner which is why I cherry picked the stats from the one season he was played effectively. The other thing which is important is the entertainment value. Our younger fans idolised him that first year, we need more of that, players that get them excited and make them want to come to the games, Mighten and Johnson hopefully can do the same.
Carvalho is still only 24, there is still time for him, but if the club are to continue spending £3M a year for him he needs to show us he wants to be here too.
Financial burden will be by far the biggest factor in whether he comes back into the fold or gets shipped out somewhere else on loan. He going to cost us something even if he goes out again as no club will pay his annual £3m transfer and his wages on top. The club will need to determine if it cuts its losses and sends him out again, or bites the bullet and gives him another go and takes on his full cost.
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I love the idea of Carv coming back and doing well again but is someone like Lee Tomlin a cheaper and less risky alternative? Yes Tomlin is in his 30's but he does stuff Carvalho does plus he's robust and can cope with the rigors of the Championship. I'm not saying Tomlin's not got his own issues (fitness the biggest question), but my point is there might be less expensive alternatives.
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(15-06-2021, 01:04 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: I agree with that Sniff, I question whether he wants it enough too. I dont like it when people say he shirks tackles and doenst have a backbone, dont think thats fair which is why I was grumpy to Tricky yesterday. I don’t necessarily think he needs to spend time in the gym but yes I take your point is he on the beach or is he practicing to be a better footballer?
There are 3 basic problems with him
The financial burden he places on the club
The fact he is only really effective in one position
His attitude/determination to succeed- no proof of this just sense it.
On the plus side though you have a player when utilised properly is a match winner which is why I cherry picked the stats from the one season he was played effectively. The other thing which is important is the entertainment value. Our younger fans idolised him that first year, we need more of that, players that get them excited and make them want to come to the games, Mighten and Johnson hopefully can do the same.
Carvalho is still only 24, there is still time for him, but if the club are to continue spending £3M a year for him he needs to show us he wants to be here too.
Fair points SM. I am not going to go back over what has been said previously, as my opinion does differ from yours and that is fine. Opinions are what makes football as popular as it is.
Can I ask you a question though. Do you honestly see there being a place in the squad for Carvalho IF Mighten and Johnson continue where they have left off from last season? Both of them are skillful and add a burst of pace, like Carvalho, but also are lightweight and lack the experience to fully support their defence (In Mightens case in particular as I am not sure about Johnson yet as I haven't seen enough of his play to comment), which is one side of Carvalho I am highly critical of. So, in brief would there be room for three lightweight players in our midfield?
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Fair question Tricky. An ACM trio of Mighten Carvalho and Johnson would get battered IMO but doubt we would or should ever set up like that. Johnson’s best position a bit forward of that in a 433 anyway so would have a bigger striker next to him and Carvalho would ideally have 2 strongish midfielders Cafu/Yates/other to do the dirty work. By the same token I think Krovinovic wouldnt be effective in that combination either, I have a feeling he wont be back regardless.
The matter now of course is does Carvalho fit with the vision our incoming CEO has? (Caveat I know he isnt here yet). One thing I am pretty certain of is Carvalho doesnt fit with a gegenpress strategy.
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Why Carvalho didn't succeed in Spanish Second Division? Playing there should have been a piece of cake as that league is less physical and slower than the Championship.
We need to admit it my friends, we were sold a dud and we keep hoping to get something back from the money paid....slowly he becoming another Clough...
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(16-06-2021, 08:33 PM)Maltared Wrote: Why Carvalho didn't succeed in Spanish Second Division? Playing there should have been a piece of cake as that league is less physical and slower than the Championship.
We need to admit it my friends, we were sold a dud and we keep hoping to get something back from the money paid....slowly he becoming another Clough...
^ I agree with this ^
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Carvalho has been done to death - I’m sure Hughton will want to have a look and make a decision. We will find out soon enough. I hope he gets a chance and it clicks for him…
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(17-06-2021, 08:49 AM)ozzyten10 Wrote: Carvalho has been done to death - I’m sure Hughton will want to have a look and make a decision. We will find out soon enough. I hope he gets a chance and it clicks for him…
That's the thing though it won't just click. He's got to want it and work much harder on the training ground and bang the managers door down if he's not in the team etc. Will he do that? I doubt it.
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