Nottingham Forest - Huddersfield Town

[Strawberry Avenger]

We were poor today and we lost the battle but the war goes on.

It's been a while since we have seen a performance like that so I am not going to grumble too much.

My short term memory is not too bad and we have seen some good performances lately and some convincing displays against Swansea away, Brentford away and Millwall and QPR at home. Those performances were far better than anything we had previously seen under Lamouchi earlier in the season.

So yes we were crap today but looking at the bigger picture I am rather pleased and optimistic for next season.

Spot on. Seems that there appear to be a number of 'supporters' including a small number of posters here who have no view of bigger picture whatsoever. 

Not for one minute suggesting everything is rosey in the Forest garden, but it could have been a whole lot worse if we hadn't been fortunate enough to secure such a steady pair of hands as Chris Hughton. Assuming he decides the players we go after (and we get some of them), then more improvements will follow.

No fair. I don’t like Hughton because of his style of football and I also think he’s weak tactically.

You can agree or disagree, but that’s nowt to do with not seeing the big picture. There seems to be an attempt to equate criticising Hughton with being impatient. May be true for some, but it doesn’t follow.

I have always been happy to be patient, and have called for more development of our younger players, something Highton seems disinclined to do, which is another criticism I have of him. 

I also don’t think we were in any danger this season. It has been greatly exaggerated to excuse the performance of the current manager. I think that’s part of the bigger picture, and so I think you’re wrong. 

So it’s not impatience. It’s not missing the bigger picture. It’s just a difference of opinion, no?

People should be able to express their opinion without being referred to as ‘supporters’.

Hiding behind the free speech banner, the classic trope.of someone that knows they're saying something controversial. 

We're not even safe now ffs! If Rotherham get 4 points from their games in hand we'll be 6 from safety with 4 to play. Ridiculous notion to suggest we weren't in danger. It's this attitude that's the reason managers repeatedly get sacked and we get stuck in this painful cycle of repetitive failure. 

And for the record both Mighten and Yates have been brought into the side recently as well as Garner (admittedly not our player) I'm not really sure who you want in right now?! 

I'm not saying CH couldn't have done better but at least criticise him for the right things.

Pretty much the same reply I would have given, other than to add against Millwall, Brentford and QPR recently the "style of football" has looked pretty decent to me, mostly with players he inherited. That's more of a blueprint than in the first 4 or 5 months after he arrived, at which point we were leaking goals and firing blanks-a combination that only points one way.

Tactics have rarely if ever cost us games this season, not being able to pass, defend or score goals on the other hand most certainly have. The 1st two of these have improved as the season has progressed under CH the third one not so much-yet.

Brighton were pretty entertaining on their escape from the Championship, but then far more tight at the back to survive in the Prem.

As for not playing youngsters? Who? He's done a great job of integrating Mighten. Yates gets regular games. Who else was ready for a relegation battle-because thats what we have been in for most of the season.

I get that opinions differ. I pay for 3 season tickets in A block and want decent entertainment. But I also want to win. To do that we have been saying (for 20 plus years) we need stability. We also have a steady hand at the tiller so actually have the chance of that long awaited stability-unless elements of our "supporterbase" would prefer something different,....again.

Common sense.  Well reasoned.  Big Picture.

Boiler Plate reading for those that want to continue the unstable madness we've endured for about 20 years.

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

We were poor today and we lost the battle but the war goes on.

It's been a while since we have seen a performance like that so I am not going to grumble too much.

My short term memory is not too bad and we have seen some good performances lately and some convincing displays against Swansea away, Brentford away and Millwall and QPR at home. Those performances were far better than anything we had previously seen under Lamouchi earlier in the season.

So yes we were crap today but looking at the bigger picture I am rather pleased and optimistic for next season.

Spot on. Seems that there appear to be a number of 'supporters' including a small number of posters here who have no view of bigger picture whatsoever. 

Not for one minute suggesting everything is rosey in the Forest garden, but it could have been a whole lot worse if we hadn't been fortunate enough to secure such a steady pair of hands as Chris Hughton. Assuming he decides the players we go after (and we get some of them), then more improvements will follow.

No fair. I don’t like Hughton because of his style of football and I also think he’s weak tactically.

You can agree or disagree, but that’s nowt to do with not seeing the big picture. There seems to be an attempt to equate criticising Hughton with being impatient. May be true for some, but it doesn’t follow.

I have always been happy to be patient, and have called for more development of our younger players, something Highton seems disinclined to do, which is another criticism I have of him. 

I also don’t think we were in any danger this season. It has been greatly exaggerated to excuse the performance of the current manager. I think that’s part of the bigger picture, and so I think you’re wrong. 

So it’s not impatience. It’s not missing the bigger picture. It’s just a difference of opinion, no?

People should be able to express their opinion without being referred to as ‘supporters’.

His tactics have been spot on.  Most of the games have been pretty close.

It's everything to do with the big picture.  Pure impatience.  'Some' Forest fans haven't even given him 1 season.  A pre-season or a Summer transfer window.  Pretty irrational.  Knee jerk.  And impatient.

We were clearly in danger with Sabri successfully routing Forest to the bottom of the Championship losing 6 games in a row following a bottling collapse to last season.  And a stupefying pre-season which set Forest up for a self inflicted campaign. Given all the things against him (see sentence above) Hughton has trod water to get Forest this far.

'It's not impatience.'  (Yes, folks.  It's impatience.)

But some 'supporters' can't give a manager (ANY MANAGER) a whole season without calling for a manager's head.  It's part of the 20 year malaise that has turned the Forest job into a poisoned chalice.

We finally get an outstanding candidate.  Hughton.  (Randall's own words.). And some 'fans' can't cope with a stable candidate bringing stability.  They want to be Man City out the gate.  Running before we can walk after a catastrophic start to the season.  But no.  Let's hang the new manager for the faults of the last manager and the recruitment and the lack of pre-season. That must be great. You start a new job. It takes time to turn things around. But 'some fans' blame the new guy for the mistakes of the old guy or the company in charge of 'recruitment.' Sounds like 'no fair' to me.

Brighten played some great stuff on their escape from the Championship.  I'm expecting Hughton to re-vitalise Forest after given Forest a Summer scruff of the neck shake.

'Some fans' (I'll use them term until it gets defined as 'hate speech' which does perceptional harm to those 'some fans...') don't say anything positive following the win vs tippy tappy Warburton's? I wonder, didn't they the outstanding goals? Or the incisive play?

Norwich's manager only finished 1 place higher than Forest are now in his 1st season in charge. I wonder if he had a pre-season or a Summer recruitment that year? But then, their hierarchy stuck with him even after getting relegated from the Premiership. My, what a patience lot they are at Norwich.

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Looking at that table. Many of those teams/managers in mid-table had pre-seasons and the chance to bring in their players or have had more than once season to work their 'magic.'

They're only a couple of games ahead of Hughton's Forest. eg. Boro' (and even Stoke) have been outside the play offs for a good portion of the season and Forest aren't that far behind them. We have a better goal difference than Preston who started off far better than Forest.

It's a tight league. Tight results.

There's no doubt that Forest need to bring in the qualities in the Summer to turn those tight games in our favour. Given Hughton his own squad and I think we'll see that happen.

SA.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Up top. All 3 can and should go. Grabban (I have made my feelings clear about him) thanks for the goals but for a season and a half now he has been a passenger and even wors he has been captain this season (terrible decision). I’m not suggesting he doesn’t care but he just isn’t very good any more.
Taylor should have stayed at Charlton in league 1 as that is his level I believe. Runs around a lot but very ineffective. Murray.... 5 years too late. Enjoy your retirement.

Totally agree with this bit. Its going to be the hardest and most expensive part of the puzzle to solve though.

[wassy04]

Up top. All 3 can and should go. Grabban (I have made my feelings clear about him) thanks for the goals but for a season and a half now he has been a passenger and even wors he has been captain this season (terrible decision). I’m not suggesting he doesn’t care but he just isn’t very good any more.
Taylor should have stayed at Charlton in league 1 as that is his level I believe. Runs around a lot but very ineffective. Murray.... 5 years too late. Enjoy your retirement.

Totally agree with this bit. Its going to be the hardest and most expensive part of the puzzle to solve though.

Both signing them and also getting rid of Grabban and Taylor

[Madforit]

We were poor today and we lost the battle but the war goes on.

It's been a while since we have seen a performance like that so I am not going to grumble too much.

My short term memory is not too bad and we have seen some good performances lately and some convincing displays against Swansea away, Brentford away and Millwall and QPR at home. Those performances were far better than anything we had previously seen under Lamouchi earlier in the season.

So yes we were crap today but looking at the bigger picture I am rather pleased and optimistic for next season.

Spot on. Seems that there appear to be a number of 'supporters' including a small number of posters here who have no view of bigger picture whatsoever. 

Not for one minute suggesting everything is rosey in the Forest garden, but it could have been a whole lot worse if we hadn't been fortunate enough to secure such a steady pair of hands as Chris Hughton. Assuming he decides the players we go after (and we get some of them), then more improvements will follow.

No fair. I don’t like Hughton because of his style of football and I also think he’s weak tactically.

You can agree or disagree, but that’s nowt to do with not seeing the big picture. There seems to be an attempt to equate criticising Hughton with being impatient. May be true for some, but it doesn’t follow.

I have always been happy to be patient, and have called for more development of our younger players, something Highton seems disinclined to do, which is another criticism I have of him. 

I also don’t think we were in any danger this season. It has been greatly exaggerated to excuse the performance of the current manager. I think that’s part of the bigger picture, and so I think you’re wrong. 

So it’s not impatience.  It’s not missing the bigger picture. It’s just a difference of opinion, no?

People should be able to express their opinion without being referred to as ‘supporters’.

His tactics have been spot on.  Most of the games have been pretty close.

It's everything to do with the big picture.  Pure impatience.  'Some' Forest fans haven't even given him 1 season.  A pre-season or a Summer transfer window.  Pretty irrational.  Knee jerk.  And impatient.

We were clearly in danger with Sabri successfully routing Forest to the bottom of the Championship losing 6 games in a row following a bottling collapse to last season.  And a stupefying pre-season which set Forest up for a self inflicted campaign.  Given all the things against him (see sentence above) Hughton has trod water to get Forest this far.

'It's not impatience.'  (Yes, folks.  It's impatience.)

But some 'supporters' can't give a manager (ANY MANAGER) a whole season without calling for a manager's head.  It's part of the 20 year malaise that has turned the Forest job into a poisoned chalice.

We finally get an outstanding candidate.  Hughton.  (Randall's own words.). And some 'fans' can't cope with a stable candidate bringing stability.  They want to be Man City out the gate.  Running before we can walk after a catastrophic start to the season.  But no.  Let's hang the new manager for the faults of the last manager and the recruitment and the lack of pre-season.  That must be great.  You start a new job.  It takes time to turn things around.  But 'some fans' blame the new guy for the mistakes of the old guy or the company in charge of 'recruitment.'  Sounds like 'no fair' to me.

Brighten played some great stuff on their escape from the Championship.  I'm expecting Hughton to re-vitalise Forest after given Forest a Summer scruff of the neck shake.

'Some fans' (I'll use them term until it gets defined as 'hate speech' which does perceptional harm to those 'some fans...') don't say anything positive following the win vs tippy tappy Warburton's?  I wonder, didn't they the outstanding goals?  Or the incisive play?

Norwich's manager only finished 1 place higher than Forest are now in his 1st season in charge  I wonder if he had a pre-season or a Summer recruitment that year?  But then, their hierarchy stuck with him even after getting relegated from the Premiership.  My, what a patience lot they are at Norwich.

SA.

:D  :D

[Madforit]

Up top. All 3 can and should go. Grabban (I have made my feelings clear about him) thanks for the goals but for a season and a half now he has been a passenger and even wors he has been captain this season (terrible decision). I’m not suggesting he doesn’t care but he just isn’t very good any more.
Taylor should have stayed at Charlton in league 1 as that is his level I believe. Runs around a lot but very ineffective. Murray.... 5 years too late. Enjoy your retirement.

Totally agree with this bit. Its going to be the hardest and most expensive part of the puzzle to solve though.

Both signing them and also getting rid of Grabban and Taylor

Very harsh on Taylor seeing that Hughton hasn't given him a good run out in the team, where as Grabban has, I know which one at the moment I would sooner see start, Grabban looks as if he couldn't care less and is just running down the time until the summer.

[Uwantlee]

Up top. All 3 can and should go. Grabban (I have made my feelings clear about him) thanks for the goals but for a season and a half now he has been a passenger and even wors he has been captain this season (terrible decision). I’m not suggesting he doesn’t care but he just isn’t very good any more.
Taylor should have stayed at Charlton in league 1 as that is his level I believe. Runs around a lot but very ineffective. Murray.... 5 years too late. Enjoy your retirement.

Totally agree with this bit. Its going to be the hardest and most expensive part of the puzzle to solve though.

Both signing them and also getting rid of Grabban and Taylor

Very harsh on Taylor seeing that Hughton hasn't given him a good run out in the team, where as Grabban has, I know which one at the moment I would sooner see start, Grabban looks as if he couldn't care less and is just running down the time until the summer.

Yeah fair enough I just haven't seen anything in Taylor that suggests he should be here next season. Even when grabban was out injured earlier in the season and we didn't have Murray Taylor offered very little. CH clear doesn't rate him if he doesn't play him. 

Honestly, I wouldn't keep any of them even as back up. I know some people still believe in grabban I just can't anymore. 

We need 3 strikers this summer. A hard working bust striker, a target man and a useful backup with experience. As SM stated this is going to be the hardest and most expensive piece of the summer.mer jigsaw but it is one that has to be done right.

No room for sentiment here. Thanks grabban but your time is up. Taylor nice try but don't let the door hit you on the way out. And Murray enjoy your retirement it is a real shame you weren't here 5 years ago would have loved to have seen that.

[stirred]

Spot on. Seems that there appear to be a number of 'supporters' including a small number of posters here who have no view of bigger picture whatsoever. 

Not for one minute suggesting everything is rosey in the Forest garden, but it could have been a whole lot worse if we hadn't been fortunate enough to secure such a steady pair of hands as Chris Hughton. Assuming he decides the players we go after (and we get some of them), then more improvements will follow.

No fair. I don’t like Hughton because of his style of football and I also think he’s weak tactically.

You can agree or disagree, but that’s nowt to do with not seeing the big picture. There seems to be an attempt to equate criticising Hughton with being impatient. May be true for some, but it doesn’t follow.

I have always been happy to be patient, and have called for more development of our younger players, something Highton seems disinclined to do, which is another criticism I have of him. 

I also don’t think we were in any danger this season. It has been greatly exaggerated to excuse the performance of the current manager. I think that’s part of the bigger picture, and so I think you’re wrong. 

So it’s not impatience. It’s not missing the bigger picture. It’s just a difference of opinion, no?

People should be able to express their opinion without being referred to as ‘supporters’.

Hiding behind the free speech banner, the classic trope.of someone that knows they're saying something controversial. 

We're not even safe now ffs! If Rotherham get 4 points from their games in hand we'll be 6 from safety with 4 to play. Ridiculous notion to suggest we weren't in danger. It's this attitude that's the reason managers repeatedly get sacked and we get stuck in this painful cycle of repetitive failure. 

And for the record both Mighten and Yates have been brought into the side recently as well as Garner (admittedly not our player) I'm not really sure who you want in right now?! 

I'm not saying CH couldn't have done better but at least criticise him for the right things.

What on earth is that supposed to mean?!

It means that when you say people should be able to express their opinion that you're about to say something that most won't agree with. I think you can definitely criticise someone's opinion if they're saying something unhelpful. 

It came across to me that you were saying its my opinion, I'll say what I want regardless of the effects and I don't care what the rest of you think. 

My point is that this attitude is what's got us here to this point, if fans or groups of fans repeatedly turn on every manager we'll never get anywhere and this has been proven repeatedly with fact not opinion. Teams that get promoted tend to have had the same manager for a few years, that's fact. Not to say you can't go up in your first year it's just less likely, it's pretty difficult to go up already without parachute payments.

I'm certain you have made your mind up on CH and regardless of what anyone says or what happens next season you won't back down. However there are others reading that will not have and hopefully the more people that can be persuaded to have patience the more likely we'll be successful next season.

When crowds return we want positivity in the stands, not booing and moaning, I've never worked out how that will help the team.

No problem with criticizing an opinion, that's what I'm saying - it's ok to have different opinions, and you don't need to try to attack the person because they have a different opinion. That's what I don't like about referring to people who express that opinion as 'supporters'.

The other thing is distorting the opinion into something else that is easier to criticize. I haven't repeatedly turned on every manager, in fact quite the opposite. My criticism of Hughton is just that, and should be taken as that. Why have you mentioned booing or moaning in the stands? I have never been one to boo or moan from the stands. Ever. But you try to link my criticism of Hughton to that to diminish what I say, to link me as some sort of fickle fan. I'm not, I just have a different opinion!

[stirred]

No fair. I don’t like Hughton because of his style of football and I also think he’s weak tactically.

You can agree or disagree, but that’s nowt to do with not seeing the big picture. There seems to be an attempt to equate criticising Hughton with being impatient. May be true for some, but it doesn’t follow.

I have always been happy to be patient, and have called for more development of our younger players, something Highton seems disinclined to do, which is another criticism I have of him. 

I also don’t think we were in any danger this season. It has been greatly exaggerated to excuse the performance of the current manager. I think that’s part of the bigger picture, and so I think you’re wrong. 

So it’s not impatience. It’s not missing the bigger picture. It’s just a difference of opinion, no?

People should be able to express their opinion without being referred to as ‘supporters’.

Hiding behind the free speech banner, the classic trope.of someone that knows they're saying something controversial. 

We're not even safe now ffs! If Rotherham get 4 points from their games in hand we'll be 6 from safety with 4 to play. Ridiculous notion to suggest we weren't in danger. It's this attitude that's the reason managers repeatedly get sacked and we get stuck in this painful cycle of repetitive failure. 

And for the record both Mighten and Yates have been brought into the side recently as well as Garner (admittedly not our player) I'm not really sure who you want in right now?! 

I'm not saying CH couldn't have done better but at least criticise him for the right things.

Pretty much the same reply I would have given, other than to add against Millwall, Brentford and QPR recently the "style of football" has looked pretty decent to me, mostly with players he inherited. That's more of a blueprint than in the first 4 or 5 months after he arrived, at which point we were leaking goals and firing blanks-a combination that only points one way.

Tactics have rarely if ever cost us games this season, not being able to pass, defend or score goals on the other hand most certainly have. The 1st two of these have improved as the season has progressed under CH the third one not so much-yet.

Brighton were pretty entertaining on their escape from the Championship, but then far more tight at the back to survive in the Prem.

As for not playing youngsters? Who? He's done a great job of integrating Mighten. Yates gets regular games. Who else was ready for a relegation battle-because thats what we have been in for most of the season.

I get that opinions differ. I pay for 3 season tickets in A block and want decent entertainment. But I also want to win. To do that we have been saying (for 20 plus years) we need stability. We also have a steady hand at the tiller so actually have the chance of that long awaited stability-unless elements of our "supporterbase" would prefer something different,....again.

Well I think tactics have clearly cost us. From the beginning, seemingly content to sit on draws at home to Rotherham and Derby.

I don’t think Highton has done a great job of integrating Mighten. Sabri did that. Hughton set him back, and only fairly recently has given him a greater go when it had been obvious to many of us all along that he should be playing.

Yates was an established first team player before Hughton, and is 23.

Mbe Soh I believe should have been played in, instead of Figueiredo who was giving a goal away most games and is not part of the future. Or we could have loaned Mbe Soh out in January.

I am going to have to agree to disagree on your negative view of Chris Hughton (not sure about Highton). Sitting on a lead suggests that the opposition had nothing to do with their efforts to gain a point? 

Its been a rubbish 12 months-no doubt- but for most of us, we are seeing the first serious possibility in a long while of a manager who can take us where we want to be in his calm, measured and yes, at times methodical way. If that's not your bag and you want to sack off yet another manager, but bring in someone "better" or more "exciting" then good luck to you. Unless Hughton takes us backwards he has my full support. 

It doesn't mean I will blindly support his decisions, I too felt Figs had become a liability, but he did improve and although Soh looked a bit all over the place early on, I was hoping to see more of him. His time will no doubt come, much as Johnson will and Mightens has. 

Its easy to support after a win and slate after a loss  I try to be more balanced - positives and negatives -  as every dog has its day and we all can have a bad day at the office. As Sniff highlighted, there's been plenty to be positive about over the last month, especially when looking back to everything post lockdown 1.

Fair enough. We'll agree to disagree :)

Fwiw I thought Lamouchi might be able to take us up. I still harboured hopes he would till the end, and would have rather kept him than change to Hughton, but I guess that's for another thread...

p.s. my autocorrect changes Hughton every time and its really annoying!

[wassy04]

No fair. I don’t like Hughton because of his style of football and I also think he’s weak tactically.

You can agree or disagree, but that’s nowt to do with not seeing the big picture. There seems to be an attempt to equate criticising Hughton with being impatient. May be true for some, but it doesn’t follow.

I have always been happy to be patient, and have called for more development of our younger players, something Highton seems disinclined to do, which is another criticism I have of him. 

I also don’t think we were in any danger this season. It has been greatly exaggerated to excuse the performance of the current manager. I think that’s part of the bigger picture, and so I think you’re wrong. 

So it’s not impatience. It’s not missing the bigger picture. It’s just a difference of opinion, no?

People should be able to express their opinion without being referred to as ‘supporters’.

Hiding behind the free speech banner, the classic trope.of someone that knows they're saying something controversial. 

We're not even safe now ffs! If Rotherham get 4 points from their games in hand we'll be 6 from safety with 4 to play. Ridiculous notion to suggest we weren't in danger. It's this attitude that's the reason managers repeatedly get sacked and we get stuck in this painful cycle of repetitive failure. 

And for the record both Mighten and Yates have been brought into the side recently as well as Garner (admittedly not our player) I'm not really sure who you want in right now?! 

I'm not saying CH couldn't have done better but at least criticise him for the right things.

What on earth is that supposed to mean?!

It means that when you say people should be able to express their opinion that you're about to say something that most won't agree with. I think you can definitely criticise someone's opinion if they're saying something unhelpful. 

It came across to me that you were saying its my opinion, I'll say what I want regardless of the effects and I don't care what the rest of you think. 

My point is that this attitude is what's got us here to this point, if fans or groups of fans repeatedly turn on every manager we'll never get anywhere and this has been proven repeatedly with fact not opinion. Teams that get promoted tend to have had the same manager for a few years, that's fact. Not to say you can't go up in your first year it's just less likely, it's pretty difficult to go up already without parachute payments.

I'm certain you have made your mind up on CH and regardless of what anyone says or what happens next season you won't back down. However there are others reading that will not have and hopefully the more people that can be persuaded to have patience the more likely we'll be successful next season.

When crowds return we want positivity in the stands, not booing and moaning, I've never worked out how that will help the team.

No problem with criticizing an opinion, that's what I'm saying - it's ok to have different opinions, and you don't need to try to attack the person because they have a different opinion. That's what I don't like about referring to people who express that opinion as 'supporters'.

The other thing is distorting the opinion into something else that is easier to criticize. I haven't repeatedly turned on every manager, in fact quite the opposite. My criticism of Hughton is just that, and should be taken as that. Why have you mentioned booing or moaning in the stands? I have never been one to boo or moan from the stands. Ever. But you try to link my criticism of Hughton to that to diminish what I say, to link me as some sort of fickle fan. I'm not, I just have a different opinion!

Well to be fair the too are often intrinsically linked, you would be very much the exception to the rule if you are keeping your criticism purely to these pages, however you're right I apologise if that is actually the case.

I disagree though about different opinions, yes obviously it's ok to have different opinion. My point was people often hide behind this as an excuse to offer a controversial and often unpopular opinion. In this case, consistent negative abuse towards the manager can be persuasive. So you say you might not boo or moan in the stands, fine. However if you convince 3 others on here that you're right then they may not have the same control as yourself.

What is the benefit to voicing negative opinions on the manager? He's not going anywhere right now, we all know that. So what you can say in 6 months when we're struggling that you were right? Congrats. Would it not be better to be positive and try and convince others that may be more easily swayed that positivity and consistency are our best chance of success? Regardless of who the manager is, although in this case someone with a proven track record has a better chance than most.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Hiding behind the free speech banner, the classic trope.of someone that knows they're saying something controversial. 

We're not even safe now ffs! If Rotherham get 4 points from their games in hand we'll be 6 from safety with 4 to play. Ridiculous notion to suggest we weren't in danger. It's this attitude that's the reason managers repeatedly get sacked and we get stuck in this painful cycle of repetitive failure. 

And for the record both Mighten and Yates have been brought into the side recently as well as Garner (admittedly not our player) I'm not really sure who you want in right now?! 

I'm not saying CH couldn't have done better but at least criticise him for the right things.

Pretty much the same reply I would have given, other than to add against Millwall, Brentford and QPR recently the "style of football" has looked pretty decent to me, mostly with players he inherited. That's more of a blueprint than in the first 4 or 5 months after he arrived, at which point we were leaking goals and firing blanks-a combination that only points one way.

Tactics have rarely if ever cost us games this season, not being able to pass, defend or score goals on the other hand most certainly have. The 1st two of these have improved as the season has progressed under CH the third one not so much-yet.

Brighton were pretty entertaining on their escape from the Championship, but then far more tight at the back to survive in the Prem.

As for not playing youngsters? Who? He's done a great job of integrating Mighten. Yates gets regular games. Who else was ready for a relegation battle-because thats what we have been in for most of the season.

I get that opinions differ. I pay for 3 season tickets in A block and want decent entertainment. But I also want to win. To do that we have been saying (for 20 plus years) we need stability. We also have a steady hand at the tiller so actually have the chance of that long awaited stability-unless elements of our "supporterbase" would prefer something different,....again.

Well I think tactics have clearly cost us. From the beginning, seemingly content to sit on draws at home to Rotherham and Derby.

I don’t think Highton has done a great job of integrating Mighten. Sabri did that. Hughton set him back, and only fairly recently has given him a greater go when it had been obvious to many of us all along that he should be playing.

Yates was an established first team player before Hughton, and is 23.

Mbe Soh I believe should have been played in, instead of Figueiredo who was giving a goal away most games and is not part of the future. Or we could have loaned Mbe Soh out in January.

I am going to have to agree to disagree on your negative view of Chris Hughton (not sure about Highton). Sitting on a lead suggests that the opposition had nothing to do with their efforts to gain a point? 

Its been a rubbish 12 months-no doubt- but for most of us, we are seeing the first serious possibility in a long while of a manager who can take us where we want to be in his calm, measured and yes, at times methodical way. If that's not your bag and you want to sack off yet another manager, but bring in someone "better" or more "exciting" then good luck to you. Unless Hughton takes us backwards he has my full support. 

It doesn't mean I will blindly support his decisions, I too felt Figs had become a liability, but he did improve and although Soh looked a bit all over the place early on, I was hoping to see more of him. His time will no doubt come, much as Johnson will and Mightens has. 

Its easy to support after a win and slate after a loss  I try to be more balanced - positives and negatives -  as every dog has its day and we all can have a bad day at the office. As Sniff highlighted, there's been plenty to be positive about over the last month, especially when looking back to everything post lockdown 1.

Fwiw I thought Lamouchi might be able to take us up. I still harboured hopes he would till the end, and would have rather kept him than change to Hughton, but I guess that's for another thread...

Mere hopes.   :angel:

Lamouchi didn't take Forest up.  Has little pedigree of doing so from a league like this. His over performance rested on the pivotal inclusion of our Talismanic Biscuit, Sow, who twice helped Forest back into the top 6.  When Sow got injured (again) Forest (as I predicted) slipped out of the play off picture with an agonising capitulation. Why so? His 2D tactics had been rumbled.

Sabri's performance in the 2nd half of last season was shocking.  And infamously bottled the end to the season.  He was utterly lost and broken. His team devoid of confidence and mentally shattered. Took part in the confetti approach to recruitment in the Summer.  Had a 'great' pre-season. We're 'digesting' poor preparation to Sabri's season under Hughton. Hughton hasn't had the chance to completely overhaul his inherited Sabri's squad but it will come this Summer.

Rather have kept Sabri 'lost the dressing room' Lamouchi who surrendered 6 games in a row than change to Hughton?  Sabri, who had Forest routed at the bottom of the Championship when he left?  With no 'hope' of recovery on the horizon?  

Well, there's no reasoning with that.

Hughton isn't bottom of the Championship with the players Sabri (?) brought in. Using Sabri's players. Sabri's pre-season.

SA.