Should Sabri Be Sacked Or Not?

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I’m pretty sure those who voted go (I didn’t ) haven’t done it based on one game and to suggest that is disingenuous.

The form is worrying, the results aren’t there and haven’t been for a while. Therefore for some they feel an inevitability about his departure.

With that in mind should we wait ten games before he goes? That’ll be 30 points up for grabs and a big say in where we finish come the end of the season.

It could be argued that had they brought Sabri in for the first day of training in the 19/20 season it might have made the difference to finishing 7th or 6th, the margins were so fine.

Benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing but history tells us that to wait when something isn’t right tends to be counterproductive in the scheme of things.

A coherent argument can be made either way but to dismiss one third of people’s views as irrelevant suggests that you are out of touch with some valid concerns.

Oh, and let’s not cite LTLF as some beacon of sanity or balance, it’s largely just an echo chamber of the views of a few.

Well that depends on what History it is you are alluding to.

I am sure that if you were to dig around, you would find plenty of examples of managers being supported after a bad time, and then going on to build some form of success, particularly at the small Clubs who cannot buy their way out of problems.

After last seasons collapse, EM had two choices; back this manager or change the manager; he chose the former.

This has resulted in a significant change of personnel; so it is clear that no one is waiting, as you put it, and there is a recognition that all was not right.

Whether the changes implemented, are sufficient to progress on the incremental improvements we have witnessed prior to last season, is anyone's guess; I would think that attempting to build on those improvements stands a better chance of success than ripping everything up and starting again; you do run the risk of throwing the baby out with the bath water when you go down that route.

As things stand, we have dropped three points so far this season; we need a point on Saturday to match last seasons start to the season; that is the reality of the situation.

I am not averse to change, but I cannot see the point in allowing this manager the freedom to make all of the signings he has, and then get rid of him before he has had a chance to show what he can do with them.

I would not take poll results to heart either; they are nothing more than a bit of fun.

Do they reflect the true feelings of the support base; I seriously doubt it.

Before the lock down, the support for Sabri amongst people who go to games was virtually absolute; far less so from the people on Forums; it remains to be seen if that scenario has changed.

I don’t dispute most of what you say, you make some fair and reasonable points. 

I do disagree with your final point though, the support for Sabri at the City Ground for the final two games prior to lockdown was not wholly evident, in fact there was a lot of frustration being thrown out, particularly his way. 

From Sabri’s perspective it was probably a good thing fans could not witness what occurred toward the end of the season in person. I dread to think the reaction to that Stoke game. However it might have all been different had fans been in the ground. 

Unfortunately/ fortunately they aren’t. I would generally say forums are the next best way to take the temperature of the fan base, some more than others. It’s social media that I would say has no representation of the fan base.

[Uwantlee]

I’m pretty sure those who voted go (I didn’t ) haven’t done it based on one game and to suggest that is disingenuous.

The form is worrying, the results aren’t there and haven’t been for a while. Therefore for some they feel an inevitability about his departure.

With that in mind should we wait ten games before he goes? That’ll be 30 points up for grabs and a big say in where we finish come the end of the season.

It could be argued that had they brought Sabri in for the first day of training in the 19/20 season it might have made the difference to finishing 7th or 6th, the margins were so fine.

Benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing but history tells us that to wait when something isn’t right tends to be counterproductive in the scheme of things.

A coherent argument can be made either way but to dismiss one third of people’s views as irrelevant suggests that you are out of touch with some valid concerns.

Oh, and let’s not cite LTLF as some beacon of sanity or balance, it’s largely just an echo chamber of the views of a few.

Top post that, totally agree, all of my posts that are in favour of him going have been backed up with factual statistics over the course of time after the Leeds game. 

They can be rubbished by some all they like but the facts are the facts when put in front of your eyes. You can look at them with alarm or choose to turn the other way, sit tight hold on and hope things dramatically turn. 

We shall see in time with any of it.

A season is 46 games. Not 10 or 20. Form can and does fluctuate. Injuries, run of difficult games, fatigue and even bad luck can all have impact on form. Over a season Sabri got a significant improvement from an unbalanced squad he took over at the last minute. Now to kick on a bit further and make us serious promotion contenders.

Form can and does fluctuate.... well ours hasn’t since January.

Yes we had an improved season but that was down to the run from September to January. Since that Point sabri has overseen a dramatic downfall. We have not improved since January and we have gone backwards.

Yes January’s transfer window was poor and the summers has been significantly better. However, the performances haven’t changed even with new players. I get that it takes time to gel but the fact that the performances and set up have been the exact same suggests that this is it. Unless, and I hope he does, he applies a different approach to games he will lose his job and soon. The vote of confidence has, over time, been the last act of a club before making a change. EM will not, and should not, stand for the form and performances much longer. I have said before, if the performances showed promise we could all get behind that and hope the results change.

[wassy04]

I’m pretty sure those who voted go (I didn’t ) haven’t done it based on one game and to suggest that is disingenuous.

The form is worrying, the results aren’t there and haven’t been for a while. Therefore for some they feel an inevitability about his departure.

With that in mind should we wait ten games before he goes? That’ll be 30 points up for grabs and a big say in where we finish come the end of the season.

It could be argued that had they brought Sabri in for the first day of training in the 19/20 season it might have made the difference to finishing 7th or 6th, the margins were so fine.

Benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing but history tells us that to wait when something isn’t right tends to be counterproductive in the scheme of things.

A coherent argument can be made either way but to dismiss one third of people’s views as irrelevant suggests that you are out of touch with some valid concerns.

Oh, and let’s not cite LTLF as some beacon of sanity or balance, it’s largely just an echo chamber of the views of a few.

Well that depends on what History it is you are alluding to.

I am sure that if you were to dig around, you would find plenty of examples of managers being supported after a bad time, and then going on to build some form of success, particularly at the small Clubs who cannot buy their way out of problems.

After last seasons collapse, EM had two choices; back this manager or change the manager; he chose the former.

This has resulted in a significant change of personnel; so it is clear that no one is waiting, as you put it, and there is a recognition that all was not right.

Whether the changes implemented, are sufficient to progress on the incremental improvements we have witnessed prior to last season, is anyone's guess; I would think that attempting to build on those improvements stands a better chance of success than ripping everything up and starting again; you do run the risk of throwing the baby out with the bath water when you go down that route.

As things stand, we have dropped three points so far this season; we need a point on Saturday to match last seasons start to the season; that is the reality of the situation.

I am not averse to change, but I cannot see the point in allowing this manager the freedom to make all of the signings he has, and then get rid of him before he has had a chance to show what he can do with them.

I would not take poll results to heart either; they are nothing more than a bit of fun.

Do they reflect the true feelings of the support base; I seriously doubt it.

Before the lock down, the support for Sabri amongst people who go to games was virtually absolute; far less so from the people on Forums; it remains to be seen if that scenario has changed.

Agree with the main point of this, if we were going to sack him made sense to do it straight away to allow a new manager time to help build the squad how they would want. Feel like now we've signed up to this route we should stick with it for the long run. 

I'd suggest its more likely at this point that we succeed this season with sabri than with a random new manager

[Jean_claude_killy]

I’m pretty sure those who voted go (I didn’t ) haven’t done it based on one game and to suggest that is disingenuous.

The form is worrying, the results aren’t there and haven’t been for a while. Therefore for some they feel an inevitability about his departure.

With that in mind should we wait ten games before he goes? That’ll be 30 points up for grabs and a big say in where we finish come the end of the season.

It could be argued that had they brought Sabri in for the first day of training in the 19/20 season it might have made the difference to finishing 7th or 6th, the margins were so fine.

Benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing but history tells us that to wait when something isn’t right tends to be counterproductive in the scheme of things.

A coherent argument can be made either way but to dismiss one third of people’s views as irrelevant suggests that you are out of touch with some valid concerns.

Oh, and let’s not cite LTLF as some beacon of sanity or balance, it’s largely just an echo chamber of the views of a few.

Well that depends on what History it is you are alluding to.

I am sure that if you were to dig around, you would find plenty of examples of managers being supported after a bad time, and then going on to build some form of success, particularly at the small Clubs who cannot buy their way out of problems.

After last seasons collapse, EM had two choices; back this manager or change the manager; he chose the former.

This has resulted in a significant change of personnel; so it is clear that no one is waiting, as you put it, and there is a recognition that all was not right.

Whether the changes implemented, are sufficient to progress on the incremental improvements we have witnessed prior to last season, is anyone's guess; I would think that attempting to build on those improvements stands a better chance of success than ripping everything up and starting again; you do run the risk of throwing the baby out with the bath water when you go down that route.

As things stand, we have dropped three points so far this season; we need a point on Saturday to match last seasons start to the season; that is the reality of the situation.

I am not averse to change, but I cannot see the point in allowing this manager the freedom to make all of the signings he has, and then get rid of him before he has had a chance to show what he can do with them.

I would not take poll results to heart either; they are nothing more than a bit of fun.

Do they reflect the true feelings of the support base; I seriously doubt it.

Before the lock down, the support for Sabri amongst people who go to games was virtually absolute; far less so from the people on Forums; it remains to be seen if that scenario has changed.

I don’t dispute most of what you say, you make some fair and reasonable points. 

I do disagree with your final point though, the support for Sabri at the City Ground for the final two games prior to lockdown was not wholly evident, in fact there was a lot of frustration being thrown out, particularly his way. 

From Sabri’s perspective it was probably a good thing fans could not witness what occurred toward the end of the season in person. I dread to think the reaction to that Stoke game. However it might have all been different had fans been in the ground. 

Unfortunately/ fortunately they aren’t. I would generally say forums are the next best way to take the temperature of the fan base, some more than others. It’s social media that I would say has no representation of the fan base.

There were certainly rumblings of discontent at the Millwall game, but I put that more down to frustration with the result.

There was definitely a lot of love for Sabri at the two games prior at Middlesbrough and Cardiff away

[Username]

I don’t dispute that but I wouldn’t say it was virtually absolute, however we’re quibbling over minutiae that’s probably irrelevant.

[Username]

Good job fans weren’t watching that in the flesh, they would have been booed off at half time.

[BadDog]

Time to go now I'm afraid.

[Madforit]

Maranakis needs to act, it simply cannot continue

[Reds73]

I think we desperately need a different dynamic, and not sure Sabri can change to an attacking philosophy.

Wonder what odds on Marco Silva

[zicorice]

Have to hold our nerve. I hope we saw a taste of things to come 2nd half in terms of application and performance. Hopefully with goals added in...

[Paplane]

Time to go now I'm afraid.

He had that I think im gone look about him at the end.  He must know he's right on the edge.

[ozzyten10]

I can see that but his sacking looking at the last 8 games would be justified. Friday is massive for Sabri