Thoughts On The Next Nottingham Forest Manager

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

My choice is someone who is already employed in the Championship. I won't name him yet though.

Valerien Ismael  :D

My choice is someone who is already employed in the Championship. I won't name him yet though.

Would Rooney even take the job though?   :D

Neither of those two!

[Liars Bar]

After going yesterday, spending my hard earned cash watching that......I couldn’t care less.
Whoever replaces Hughton after the loss at Derby, probably won’t last the season anyway.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

My choice is someone who is already employed in the Championship. I won't name him yet though.

Would that be a manager who is already under pressure at his new club because they are only 1 point better off than us?

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

No he's already turned us down once. Not him.

[GaribaldiRED]

It's funny how things work out.

I remember Valerien Ismael when he worked here in Greece (probably not many people know that).

Anyway he was bloody useless.

I can just imagine the meltdown on here if EM would have appointed him :)

It's a funny old game.

He only managed Apollon for 1 game.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

It's funny how things work out.

I remember Valerien Ismael when he worked here in Greece (probably not many people know that).

Anyway he was bloody useless.

I can just imagine the meltdown on here if EM would have appointed him :)

It's a funny old game.

He only managed Apollon for 1 game.

Yes I was waiting for someone to say that.

He had a 2 year contract. He was in charge for the whole of preseason preparation and for all the preseason friendlies. Then after the first league game which they lost they sacked him. He was there about 4 months.

Not good is it? Lets be honest.

Imagine EM giving him the job on the back of that what happened in Greece at Apollon (that is the team I follow in Greece by the way).

[JollyLolly]

If we are looking at a combination of a German with a USA link how about Jürgen Klinsmann?

[Salvatore Matrecano]

My choice is someone who is already employed in the Championship. I won't name him yet though.

Nathan Jones - I like him, failed at Stoke but wrong club.  Also brings Paul Hart and Chris Cohen with him... 

Would be my choice by a country mile.

Our biggest mistake was not changing manager in the summer when we could have tempted him with talk of big ambitions and a pocket load of cash.
Zero chance now, having made the (wrong) decision to keep Hughton we will again look ridiculous by changing manager a few weeks in. The caveat is any new manager would have been under horrendous pressure already assuming the recruitment would have been the same.

[GaribaldiRED]

It's funny how things work out.

I remember Valerien Ismael when he worked here in Greece (probably not many people know that).

Anyway he was bloody useless.

I can just imagine the meltdown on here if EM would have appointed him :)

It's a funny old game.

Interesting Sniff. It's a very demanding way of playing and if you don't have the right players or you are not able to get them onboard then you will fail. 

I like this short interview from The Telegraph. It describes short and crisp his approach.

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Valerien Ismael has lifted the lid on his plan to guide West Bromwich Albion to promotion this term.

The Frenchman enjoyed a wonderful first season in English football after taking charge of Barnsley where he led the club to a surprise spot in the Championship play-offs.

Since then Ismael has left Oakwell and moved to the Hawthorns where expectations will be significantly higher as they target an immediate return to the Premier League after suffering relegation last term.

Ismael’s tactical approach is a notable aspect of his early success in the EFL and, speaking to The Telegraph, the new West Brom boss has given an insight into how his team will function.

Speaking to The Telegraph, Ismael said: “We play 3-4-3 and all the players – the three centre-halves, wing-backs, the No. 6 and front-three – need to hit numbers to make sure we have that intensity.

“The numbers will be total distance, high-speed and sprinting. After that you have another measure which is the player load.
“When I choose a player he must not drop below the average line. If they do, the question is are they injured or unfit, or do we need another one.
“This is my way to success and the good thing with the data is that you don’t need finance, or an agent telling you things, it’s about finding the right player for the position.”

Laudable abc from Ishmael.  But as Sniff' notes, there would have been a melt down had he been appointed here.  It's easy to be coveting after the fact.  He talks of intensity.  'The Holy Grail.'  It won't be along before other teams catch up with that as they eventually caught up with Clough's methods.  Also note: very easy to apply that to a club that does have resources for have been doing things 'that way' for a while because it was pragmatic.  Forest are neither WBA or Barnsley.  They're stuck in between.  Not a shoe string club nor have they Premiership riches.  So having a 'smart' CEO makes sense.  But it's going to be a painful transition, regardless.  We can forget about top 6 this season.

3-4-3.  Forest care barely field a formation they've been playing since Aitor left.

You still need quality recruitment.  And he noted that you're talking about high octane and volume fitness and asks the question: are they injured or unfit or do we need another player.  (All three questions apply to the current developmental & recruitment 'transition' - some may use the word 'crisis' after the latest defeat.)

We may be moving to a younger player developmental model.  And longer term (if we stick with the current plan) we'll need appointments to reflect that.

If we were doing things on a budget, the club should have been honest about that.  Sounds like we're going back to Mark Warburton, time to build etc.  Luton have got the progressive shoe string approach going with Nathan, Cohen and Hart?  We had Hart.  We couldn't back him when he needed it.  Not all the managers have been great.  But we have had good managers, some excellent ones and Forest have a history of pulling the rug.

SA.

Totally agree SA. If we are to change the manager again we have to use this season as a building/development phase and then hopefully be ready to make an assault next season. It will be a difficult transition but I believe it will be a lot easier to achieve with young hungry players (high intensity and high press). We have the scouting and recruitment teams in place to identify and sign the right players but as we all know the market is proving to very difficult this year. The willingness to invest to succeed are definitely there. Let's hope that we are able to do it right this time around and hire an up and coming progressive manager that can implement the brand new Forest high intensity approach  :D

[wassy04]

My choice is someone who is already employed in the Championship. I won't name him yet though.

Nathan Jones - I like him, failed at Stoke but wrong club.  Also brings Paul Hart and Chris Cohen with him... 

Would be my choice by a country mile.

Our biggest mistake was not changing manager in the summer when we could have tempted him with talk of big ambitions and a pocket load of cash.
Zero chance now, having made the (wrong) decision to keep Hughton we will again look ridiculous by changing manager a few weeks in. The caveat is any new manager would have been under horrendous pressure already assuming the recruitment  would have been the same.

Maybe in the long term it's better that Hughton got shafted, rather than the new manager? Not a particularly nice tactic but it is now easier to sack Hughton and there will be an immediate improvement whoever takes over due to the likely late signings. At least it protects the reputation of the new manager (and Dane's managerial appointments record) and also stops fans telling us how the new manager has a 0 points per game record.

[GaribaldiRED]

What about Steven Gerrard? Could he be tempted?

[Username]

My choice is someone who is already employed in the Championship. I won't name him yet though.

Marco Silva