Hughton's Got A Job On His Hands

[Camms]

If I was in Hughton's shoes I'd offer a new deal to Ameobi and let the rest of the out of contract player's go. Try to get Garner back and possibly Krovinovic who I think would look much better with a more mobile Striker ahead of him. Raise as much money as we can by trying to offload Jenkinson, Bong, Arter, Colback, Carvalho, Grabban and possibly even Taylor.

[Jean_claude_killy]

If I was in Hughton's shoes I'd offer a new deal to Ameobi and let the rest of the out of contract player's go. Try to get Garner back and possibly Krovinovic who I think would look much better with a more mobile Striker ahead of him. Raise as much money as we can by trying to offload Jenkinson, Bong, Arter, Colback, Carvalho, Grabban and possibly even Taylor.

I was under the impression that the three players out on loan, Da Costa, Ioannou and Carvalho are as good as gone; if so, that should cover the P & S shortfall and mean Worrall does not have to go.

I get the impression that Hughton is no big fan of Jenkinson or Arter so he will probably try and move those two on.

He may well do the same with Grabban.

He will keep Bong; Hughton likes to have players around him he can trust and Bong falls into that category; I think Colback will be the same.

I agree about Ameobi, and it would not cost the Earth to give him one more year; likewise getting Krovinovic and Garner back in, in fact I would also give Murray another year.

Once the loan players go back and the out of contract players leave we could be left with a squad of around 19 players; that is on the low side - we need to hang on to a few of them.

We have Johnson, Swann and Fornah coming back from loan but it is expecting a lot for them to be featuring week in week out.

[wassy04]

If I was in Hughton's shoes I'd offer a new deal to Ameobi and let the rest of the out of contract player's go. Try to get Garner back and possibly Krovinovic who I think would look much better with a more mobile Striker ahead of him. Raise as much money as we can by trying to offload Jenkinson, Bong, Arter, Colback, Carvalho, Grabban and possibly even Taylor.

I was under the impression that the three players out on loan, Da Costa, Ioannou and Carvalho are as good as gone; if so, that should cover the P & S shortfall and mean Worrall does not have to go.

I get the impression that Hughton is no big fan of Jenkinson or Arter so he will probably try and move those two on.

He may well do the same with Grabban.

He will keep Bong; Hughton likes to have players around him he can trust and Bong falls into that category; I think Colback will be the same.

I agree about Ameobi, and it would not cost the Earth to give him one more year; likewise getting Krovinovic and Garner back in, in fact I would also give Murray another year.

Once the loan players go back and the out of contract players leave we could be left with a squad of around 19 players; that is on the low side - we need to hang on to a few of them.

We have Johnson, Swann and Fornah coming back from loan but it is expecting a lot for them to be featuring week in week out.

I don't think those sales will cover FFP at all, I doubt we'd get more than the amortisation amounts left so it won't make a difference. Will need to sell an academy player just to survive.

One of Worrall, Mighten or Johnson needs to be sold for around 10m.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Not convinced that one of Worrall, Mighten or Johnson needs to be sold for around 10m.

Missing from the list above of Da Costa, Carvalho and Ioannou is Grabban. Then we have Figs who is rumoured to be homesick and would command a fee.

[ThePromisedLand]

Not convinced that one of  Worrall, Mighten or Johnson needs to be sold for around 10m.

Missing from the list above of Da Costa, Carvalho and Ioannou is Grabban. Then we have Figs who is rumoured to be homesick and would command a fee.

Hope you’re right Sniff.

If we were forced to sell one of the Crown Jewels - it would have to be Mighten for me.

[wassy04]

Not convinced that one of  Worrall, Mighten or Johnson needs to be sold for around 10m.

Missing from the list above of Da Costa, Carvalho and Ioannou is Grabban. Then we have Figs who is rumoured to be homesick and would command a fee.

Grabban won't command much surely? A generous combined 4-5m maybe with him and Figs? And that's assuming there is no amortisation left for those guys to pay.

Eg We signed Grabban for 6m, say he is 3 years into a 4 year deal. That would mean we'd still have 1.5m amortisation left to account for. So if we sold him for 2m it would only be a 0.5m profit in FFP terms. 

Same logic applies for all of the above, whereas you sell one of the academy players we can take the whole amount as FFP profit.

[wassy04]

Not convinced that one of  Worrall, Mighten or Johnson needs to be sold for around 10m.

Missing from the list above of Da Costa, Carvalho and Ioannou is Grabban. Then we have Figs who is rumoured to be homesick and would command a fee.

Hope you’re right Sniff.

If we were forced to sell one of the Crown Jewels - it would have to be Mighten for me.

Same, I think that is the best solution, similar type sale to Appiah would work for me. Requires someone actually having 8m+ to spend though

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Plus like I have said before I think that EM and Mendes between them will get a better fee for Carvalho then many of us think.

[wassy04]

Plus like I have said before I think that EM and Mendes between them will get a better fee for Carvalho then many of us think.

Maybe but would have to be double figures to really have an impact given we still owe the remainder of his initial fee in amortisation.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Plus like I have said before I think that EM and Mendes between them will get a better fee for Carvalho then many of us think.

Maybe but would have to be double figures to really have an impact given we still owe the remainder of his initial fee in amortisation.

I am shutting up now but I'm not worried about that either.

[Paplane]

Plus like I have said before I think that EM and Mendes between them will get a better fee for Carvalho then many of us think.

Maybe but would have to be double figures to really have an impact given we still owe the remainder of his initial fee in amortisation.

I was under the impression that we purchased Carvalho on hp arrangement at something like £3m per year for 5 years. If that's the case then might it be that he's amortised at that, £3m a year maybe, rather than what's left of the £13m, on the basis that he isnt actually a full 5 year asset, just a series of 5 one year assets which get written off each year. So if we sell him, we'd just get part of the fee, the balance of the £13m would go directly to Benfica and not through our books. If you get what I mean. Or is that a load of tosh? Probably is, I cant even explain it properly.

[wassy04]

Plus like I have said before I think that EM and Mendes between them will get a better fee for Carvalho then many of us think.

Maybe but would have to be double figures to really have an impact given we still owe the remainder of his initial fee in amortisation.

I was under the impression that we purchased Carvalho on hp arrangement at something like £3m per year for 5 years. If that's the case then might it be that he's amortised at that, £3m a year maybe, rather than what's left of the £13m, on the basis that he isnt actually a full 5 year asset, just a series of 5 one year assets which get written off each year. So if we sell him, we'd just get part of the fee, the balance of the £13m would go directly to Benfica and not through our books. If you get what I mean. Or is that a load of tosh? Probably is, I cant even explain it properly.

Yeah I think it's a load of tosh haha. Or what you're suggesting essentially amount to the same thing.

Basically say we paid 13m, and sold him for 6m, we have to take a loss of 7m at some point. We will have probably so far taken 5m cost in the account, so say we sold him for 6m we'd still owe another 1m in accounting terms. We have to pay for it at some point! So if you sell him you actually bring forward the cost, so not worth it unless it at least breaks even for FFP purposes.

Obviously cash flow and actual income is different and I'm sure the owners will want some money to support operating costs.