The Fullbacks
#25
(22-01-2021, 10:20 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Ive just come across an excellent analysis on Twitter which made me think this is worth its own topic.

Both of our fullbacks are getting a lot of criticism this season so helpful to see some facts behind it. Myself I take some of these analyses with a pinch of salt but they are useful in gaining some perspective when a lot of fans have a habit of naming player x as either brilliant or S**t.

There are a number of points here. Firstly Christie’s stats look pretty decent. In terms of sheer number of crosses he is outstanding and accuracy isnt that bad, maybe we need to focus more on why our forwards arent getting on the end of them. Defensively Christie does OK too. 

Ribeiro on the other hand I had thought had gone backwards this season and the stats bear that out, it is most alarming to look at his defence contribution vs average. Possibly the rumours of his departure this summer affected his form or maybe Hughtons style of play doesnt suit him as well as Lamouchi’s. Whichever if Bong does well in the next 3 games he is going to struggle to get back in.

The final thought is how do the fullbacks for this season compare to last when both were excellent. This is slightly unfair because Lamouchi relied very heavily on his fullbacks breaking and getting forward quickly, it helped that in Cash he unexpectedly discovered a player born for that role. Hughton doesn’t rely on fullbacks attacking as much but you could argue that is because they are less effective than last season and is also a reason why our overall performance is worse.

Thoughts?

At face value the stats support how it feels watching this season. Not great defensively (both) ok going forward (Christie).  But if you were to discount Christie's first few games I imagine he would be quite good obviously you can't discount them, but lately he's been fairly good.

Ribs is having a tough time no doubt. Last season he was targeted and mostly came out on top defensively. One on one he was good, going forward he was dangerous. This year not so much. Form is temporary  so hopefully he will come back stronger.

Scouse scums full backs are misfiring too, TAA is posting some spectacular stats. One game he gave away possession more than 30 times (even Knockeart hasn't managed that). Last night sky said he had a record number of crosses non completed. 

Like the Scouse scum, its obviously not all on the full backs, but it isnt helping us much either.
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#26
Riberio always struggles against physical sides who target left back with lofted balls to the left flank. I e seen it time and time again.
I blame CH as after 5 minutes it was clear he needed help and Ameobi could have help negate this or quite simply play bong.
Riberio plays very well against footballing teams so a rest for Swansea.

Christie gets so much stick because he isn’t cash. Just like anyone else who would have gone on there. Jenkinson should have had a run really by now and must go down as one of the worst signings we’ve made...
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#27
(22-01-2021, 03:36 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:
(22-01-2021, 12:31 PM)ThePromisedLand Wrote:
(22-01-2021, 11:43 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: Vrent-zos.

Vrentzos.

Or perhaps we can just call him IV if it makes it easier (Ioannis Vrentzos).

Vrentzos.
Vrentos.

Freeman.
Freedman.

What’s another letter matter  :P

Now now TPL. Behave yourself young man.

To be fair I am the only one who writes Freedman instead of Freeman  :)

However the vast majority of posters don't write Vrentzos correctly.

Glass houses.

Chucking bricks...
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#28
Vrentzos..?

I've been impressed with his negotiating skills. He's made Forest a lot of money.

Though this has had a somewhat myopic effect on Forest's ambitions...coupled with picking the wrong managers at times when we needed to give the right manager his signings...

...and time.

SA.
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#29
Back on track.

If Jenkinson and Bong both have good games tomorrow I'd be tempted to leave them in against Barnsley (I know Ribeiro is suspended). To be fair to Jenkinson he's never had a run in the team.
Panic on the streets of Croydon, Derby, Sheffield, Leicestershire.
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#30
(22-01-2021, 04:28 PM)ozzyten10 Wrote: Riberio always struggles against physical sides who target left back with lofted balls to the left flank. I e seen it time and time again.
I blame CH as after 5 minutes it was clear he needed help and Ameobi could have help negate this or quite simply play bong.
Riberio plays very well against footballing teams so a rest for Swansea.

Christie gets so much stick because he isn’t cash. Just like anyone else who would have gone on there. Jenkinson should have had a run really by now and must go down as one of the worst signings we’ve made...

Christie gets a lot of stick because he is positionally weak, costing Forest goals and points.  You can't have weak fullbacks in the Championship.  He dropped Worrall in it and Worrall opted for some lazy defending.

Can't do that if you want to win in the Championship.

Christie undoes the average to good work he does going forward.

He's not the only one.  Rib was thoroughly exposed v Boro.  Perhaps his winger didn't help..?  But Rib didn't have to lean his head in.

SA.
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#31
(22-01-2021, 05:05 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote:
(22-01-2021, 04:28 PM)ozzyten10 Wrote: Riberio always struggles against physical sides who target left back with lofted balls to the left flank. I e seen it time and time again.
I blame CH as after 5 minutes it was clear he needed help and Ameobi could have help negate this or quite simply play bong.
Riberio plays very well against footballing teams so a rest for Swansea.

Christie gets so much stick because he isn’t cash. Just like anyone else who would have gone on there. Jenkinson should have had a run really by now and must go down as one of the worst signings we’ve made...

Christie gets a lot of stick because he is positionally weak, costing Forest goals and points.  You can't have weak fullbacks in the Championship.  He dropped Worrall in it and Worrall opted for some lazy defending.

Can't do that if you want to win in the Championship.

Christie undoes the average to good work he does going forward.

He's not the only one.  Rib was thoroughly exposed v Boro.  Perhaps his winger didn't help..?  But Rib didn't have to lean his head in.

SA.

I agree with you SA on the point Ribs was far too often exposed. 

The problem there was young Alex was back helping out on that side because Ameobi prefered to play on the right. For me, this is an area of Alex's game that does need to improve as he is too lightweight in the tackle against some of the bigger midfielders he faces. Maybe that is what opposition managers see also when they see our starting line up and target our left defence?
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#32
(22-01-2021, 05:04 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: Back on track.

If Jenkinson and Bong both have good games tomorrow I'd be tempted to leave them in against Barnsley (I know Ribeiro is suspended). To be fair to Jenkinson he's never had a run in the team.

Partly because Jenkinson is made of glass (to our benefit last season as our make shift RB did ok and made us £12 million plus). Would love to see him step up and make it his own......but my eyes tell me unlikely.
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#33
I’ll just leave this here
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#34
(23-01-2021, 06:42 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: I’ll just leave this here

The Bong pass is even worse
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#35
Well. Today put any debate about Jenkinson firmly to bed, other than whether one of the young lads should be back up.....

Ironic that we had 4 left backs at one point, yet it's one of the positions we have struggled  in. Need Ribs back on form-after his stupid ban of course.
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#36
Ribs is the only fullback at the club that is worth keeping on last season’s performance and shown it at times this year . The rest I wouldn’t pay in buttons som much shote needs clearing out in the summer
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