Would You Trust Recruitment With Summer 2020?

[Sausage Roll]

The only mention of Scott Hogan on this forum in January was a post about him signing for Birmingham. It's very easy to be wise after the event and say we should've signed him now he's doing well, but there clearly wasn't any clamour for us to do so beforehand.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Hogan scored just 7 goals in 56 appearances for Villa. Far worse than Da Costas strike rate in the French top league.

Also one or two have mentioned Jenkinson and Sow being prone to injuries. Well have you seen Hogans recent injury record?

I am scratching my head at some of the comments in this thread I really am.

Oh and Naki Wells, what an impact he has had at Bristol City (not).

A lot of transfer discussion is being wise after the fact.  I'd never heard of Hogan.  Who is he?  What position does he play?  Is he a striker?  What are his achievements to make him 'fit' for a 2nd tier league like the Championship?  7 goals.  Over Villa's time in the Championship and Premier?  Doesn't sound great to me.

Da Costa.  I found his signing a promising sign of intent.  It took Collymore (and Forest) quite a while to get going.  (Think he had a throat infection for a while before he could get playing with Forest.)  When Da Costa has had his 'pre-season' with Forest then we'll get to see more of him.  There's no guarantee with any player that it will work out with another club.  But if Da Costa has scored for the French Top League he must have something.  And a reason why Forest (and The Coach) chased this striker twice.

Sow and Jenkinson.  All players probably carry some knocks or niggles.  That goes with the territory of being a top athlete.  It the degree of managing it so as to not make it worse.  In Sow's case, he's been overplayed (at times) and that seemed to lead to his 1st injury.  Forest thought they had back up in 'Rostock' but that hasn't worked out.  And Yates (a player I rate) is still in transition.  

Jenkinson.  He's done ok when he's played.  Nobody could have predicated that Cash would play out of his skin as a makeshift RB.

Naki.  Further proof that £6 million in a January window looks like FFP suicide.  Naki's momentum at (and Chemistry) at QPR has been broken up.  He was their 'Nicky Shorey.'  And typifies some of the underlying problem with Jan'  windows.  Ergo.  Naki hasn't done any better than Da Costa currently.  But Forest payed far less in fee and prob' in wages.

Some players 'click' at clubs.  Well, the 'chemistry' perfect storm of Warburton, QPR, players and Naki was ripped up. And they he gets 'air dropped' into a completely different set up...that will disrupt his momentum and QPRs. And will it benefit Bristol City? It might. IN time. Did he hit the ground running for £6 million?

And no end of scouting can guarantee that Naki will hit the ground running or that Man Utd will have a 100% strike rate.  And they've spent more in the transfer window than the old enemy who are top. Man City have spent a fortune and sit 2nd in their league.

All you can do is minimise risk by investing in progressive scouting before you have to pay £6 million.  The latter of which some might say is a failure of recruitment.  ie.  That's a hindsight signing when really the 'Danish Model' (see that article posted elsewhere on these forums...) is where Forest are heading and they have already made progress into that model as the current league position shows. Between the Academy and recruitment picking up shrewd signings like Sow, Samba and Da Costa (we can only assess in hindsight of a season of time...) it looks like Forest are moving forwards with a prudent fiscal model of quality for reasonable prices.

Even loans. We may lament their hit rate.

However? A necessary evil to reduce Forest's exposure to spending outlay and wages in a time they are trying to get wages turnover 'down.' If one or two do well. It's a bonus. But it's the nature of the beast. No one is going to lend you their ready to hit the ground running prime time players.

And if they have one or two nearly players eg. Tammy Abraham? He may choose Villa in stead of us. Recruitment can't cover the fact that players have free will. We can persuade or sell the club but can't force a player to sign for less wages or force the club to want Hogan when they wanted Da Costa instead. The clubs reputation is on the mend, it may or may not be a deciding factor. Recruitment have their own ideas. They may not be ours. I suspect it ultimately comes down to wages. We're not there with WBA, Fulham etc quite yet. They've been doing it longer. They made their success.

Forest are trying to do the same.

SA.

[Alf]

The only mention of Scott Hogan on this forum in January was a post about him signing for Birmingham. It's very easy to be wise after the event and say we should've signed him now he's doing well, but there clearly wasn't any clamour for us to do so beforehand.

But we're not a recruitment team. None of us picked out Antonio as a supreme signing & Prem player either. Stuart Pearce did.

IMO we should have people at the club capable of signing the likes of Antonio. 

Out of all the Anigo & Modesto signings, how many are gonna be targets of Prem clubs at 3-4 times what we paid for them? 

None as far as I can see.

[Username]

The only mention of Scott Hogan on this forum in January was a post about him signing for Birmingham. It's very easy to be wise after the event and say we should've signed him now he's doing well, but there clearly wasn't any clamour for us to do so beforehand.

Is anyone advocating Hogan?

It’s about the positive impact signings that improve the team and squad can make.

[Alf]

Direkhaby *facepalm*

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Just posted in the financial thread details of last years accounts. My first take on it is that it wont matter who is in charge of recruitment next summer if we don't go up cos we aint got a pot to piss in.

[Alf]

Just posted in the financial thread details of last years accounts. My first take on it is that it wont matter who is in charge of recruitment next summer if we don't go up cos we aint got a pot to piss in.

Which is why Jan was so important IMO. 

Crazy that we signed who we did with the top 2 so close.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Just posted in the financial thread details of last years accounts. My first take on it is that it wont matter who is in charge of recruitment next summer if we don't go up cos we aint got a pot to piss in.

I don't think that will be the case SM. Relax  :cool:

[wassy04]

These accounts did show how little room for signings we really have. I would expect similar business to last summer around 5m out and 10m in...

[Salvatore Matrecano]

According to the FFP figures our rolling 3 years was a £30M loss out of £39M allowed. Biggest hit is the 18/19 figure of £21M. Depends what this seasons figures are, would expect to be around £5-10M loss, a suggestion of another £5M loan figures to be taken into account too.
Pure guess but I would expect Wassy’s figure above is pretty close, we will have to sell to buy if we dont go up but wont mean a fire sale. Think we would cash in (literally Cash in) on one player, hope we invest it wisely if that happens.

[Tricky]

According to the FFP figures our rolling 3 years was a £30M loss out of £39M allowed. Biggest hit is the 18/19 figure of £21M. Depends what this seasons figures are, would expect to be around £5-10M loss, a suggestion of another £5M loan figures to be taken into account too.
Pure guess but I would expect Wassy’s figure above is pretty close, we will have to sell to buy if we dont go up but wont mean a fire sale. Think we would cash in (literally Cash in) on one player, hope we invest it wisely if that happens.

If we did have to cash in on cash, then I would be hoping Darikwa makes a full recovery and gets up to speed close season, as I fear we would not do anything with Jenkinson at RB

[Paplane]

According to the FFP figures our rolling 3 years was a £30M loss out of £39M allowed. Biggest hit is the 18/19 figure of £21M. Depends what this seasons figures are, would expect to be around £5-10M loss, a suggestion of another £5M loan figures to be taken into account too.
Pure guess but I would expect Wassy’s figure above is pretty close, we will have to sell to buy if we dont go up but wont mean a fire sale. Think we would cash in (literally Cash in) on one player, hope we invest it wisely if that happens.

If we did have to cash in on cash, then I would be hoping Darikwa makes a full recovery and gets up to speed close season, as I fear we would not do anything with Jenkinson at RB

Who's to say both Darikwa wont improve under some intense Sabri coaching? He gets up and down the pitch, which is a must for a modern full back.