Why Have The Players Downed Tools & Committed A Mutiny?

[pennhillred]

We smashed Villa a month ago and the following week we were 1-2 up at West Ham and heading for the top 10.

So what has happened? What has gone wrong and why have the players downed tools and committed a mutiny? Because from where I am sitting and from what I am hearing that is what they have done.

Excellent question.

Watched the match at home and just felt great sadness watching it. It was clear they'd given up. (Even though for the 1st 20 mins, I thought we were doing well and better than against Everton. Once the 1st goal went in, they stopped playing!)

Thought we had figured it out vs Villa. But for the players to down tools and give up is an insult to the fans, the club, the owners and Steve Cooper (who's not without fault), but the players should be ashamed of as you well put it, mutiny.

[Marinakis Red]

It's a great question Sniff and one that leaves me very puzzled after that villa game. The performance at West Ham was alright other than the set pieces that we gifted them goals from.

Last night was a tough watch, very hard to digest as I'm still angry about it. It pains me to say the time is definitely right for Cooper to go though. He's been let down badly by those players.

[Squarered]

The performance against Everton and the proximity of the fixtures meant there would be changes last night. We know fitness is an issue for some - MGW after playing through the close season, Origi and Wood have had fitness issues, Hudson Odoi also but despite all this I expected some reaction from the squad. Sangare was awful and Dominguez has fallen off a cliff somewhere from earlier performances. Mangala ands Murillo seems to be playing and I'd argue Toffolo as well. Other than that we were way way short

[Marco Polo]

the wheels have come off in 3 weeks - we were playing well right up to and including west ham on the 12th November

[Marco Polo]

his 'I didn't deserve that and the fans didn't deserve that" comment was very telling

this could get ugly, as quite frankly, there's noone players to like other than Felipe, Murillo, Elanga, Toffolo and MGW we need 11 players

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I am flagging him up, I won't let him get away with it...

Sangare was an absolute disgrace last night.

Get him listed and get him gone in January.

Harsh? Maybe but that is how I feel right now.

Not the first time either, he had the same attitude at Liverpool earlier in the season, disgusting to watch.

[Marco Polo]

agree - so slow and laboured how he receives the ball and turns back to goal, the round again before passing/giving it away

Mangala is a much better player

[Deeler16]

It's been a constant gripe of Cooper's that we're not brave on the ball, don't take responsibility. We lack movement and patterns of play - appreciate the teams like Fulham, Brighton, Brentford have more stable squads than us but these are professional players who earn a pretty penny for supposedly being elite players and with footballing brains. So is it now a case that Cooper is unable to build those patterns into training ground exercises or quite simply we need to take stock that in this league, spending tens of millions on players doesn't get the kind of player we think we get. But for a few matches where Mangala/Sangare/Dominguez looked solid, we've retreated into our shells. Something clearly is going awry between the training pitch and match day. Stupid individual mistakes have cost us dear and confidence looks shot. very little pass and move, very little in the way of making angles to receive the ball. Annoys the hell out of me seeing other teams just simply through their movement are easily able to get around us. As it stands we have a lame duck manager - only reason he's here is no one else has said yes... and the players know this.

[Redgirl]

I think with MGW probably playing him out of position, really struggled on the wing.

[DeesideRed]

I am flagging him up, I won't let him get away with it...

Sangare was an absolute disgrace last night.

Get him listed and get him gone in January.

Harsh? Maybe but that is how I feel right now.

Not the first time either, he had the same attitude at Liverpool earlier in the season, disgusting to watch.

I was always cautious about signing someone who thinks they are bigger than the club. He's not arsed, he's going on to bigger and better things in his head.

[Tricky]

Ok, Here's something to mull over.............

Why do players never get the sack for under-performing? Why is it always the manager?

I know some will say players have got contracts etc, which the club are obliged to honour etc, but so do Managers! What is the difference? Why? when players are clearly not pulling their weight for the massive wages they get, are they always exempt from dismissal? It never happens anywhere else within employment, why football?

If I constantly under-performed at work, I would be down the road, plain and simple. If my Manager was to under-perform, he would be down the road too! Why is football different?

At the end of the day, football has to be governed by the same employment laws the rest of the country have to adhere to, so I am at a loss as to why footballers are constantly un-touchable, yet managers are expendable.

I appreciate players are bought, often with large sums of money involved and clubs can't afford to just throw x number of millions down the drain by getting rid of a player. But it isnt right that the said player(s) is/are allowed to underperform to such an extent the club suffers (as Forest did last night), yet it is almost likely it will be the Manager that has to bite the bullet. It's wrong!!

[Shawoddyred]

Ok, Here's something to mull over.............

Why do players never get the sack for under-performing? Why is it always the manager?

I know some will say players have got contracts etc, which the club are obliged to honour etc, but so do Managers! What is the difference? Why? when players are clearly not pulling their weight for the massive wages they get, are they always exempt from dismissal? It never happens anywhere else within employment, why football?

If I constantly under-performed at work, I would be down the road, plain and simple. If my Manager was to under-perform, he would be down the road too! Why is football different?

At the end of the day, football has to be governed by the same employment laws the rest of the country have to adhere to, so I am at a loss as to why footballers are constantly un-touchable, yet managers are expendable.

I appreciate players are bought, often with large sums of money involved and clubs can't afford to just throw x number of millions down the drain by getting rid of a player. But it isnt right that the said player(s) is/are allowed to underperform to such an extent the club suffers (as Forest did last night), yet it is almost likely it will be the Manager that has to bite the bullet. It's wrong!!

Because they are more tradable and more considered as assets. There a multiple players, whereas a single manager has a job that is to get the best out of all the other club assets, so the collective value of the club can go up if a manager gets sacked (even at great expense) and the new guy improves the performances of the players and therefore their perceived value....