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I get the frustration with carvalho, not saying he played well today in fact he was pretty poor in the second half although who wasn’t.

First half though he was our most dangerous attacking player, I get he’s not playing up to what we hoped but there were plenty of worse performances in that first half. Silva and Ameobi were awful
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Carvalho wants to play everything 1 touch. Sometimes you need to control-turn-drive , and take some responsibility.
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(14-12-2019, 06:50 PM)optimistic_red Wrote: Carvalho wants to play everything 1 touch. Sometimes you need to control-turn-drive , and take some responsibility.

Aye.

Plenty of 'responsibility' to go all round today's 'bad day' at the office.

SA.
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Carvalho gave the ball away 5 times on the trot today. You can't carry that in the Championship.

Others to blame just as much if not more for today's defeat, but you knew when we went behind this kid wasn't pulling us back from that position. And that's the problem.

No coincidence we lose when he & Silva start. Yes the defence screwed up, but defending stronger from the front would help that.
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(14-12-2019, 07:19 PM)Alf Wrote: Carvalho gave the ball away 5 times on the trot today. You can't carry that in the Championship.

Others to blame just as much if not more for today's defeat, but you knew when we went behind this kid wasn't pulling us back from that position. And that's the problem.

No coincidence we lose when he & Silva start. Yes the defence screwed up, but defending stronger from the front would help that.

You can't keep giving the ball away like that. It sucks the air out of a team real quick. It soon starts to feel like you're playing with less than 11 players on the pitch.

Forest seemed 'off it' from the start.

Car'.  As an understudy to an 'Andy Reid' would be fine.  If we'd got Car for the price of Majewski.  

Yes.  You have to defend from the front.  Having Silva and Car' in this midfield?  Forest seemed light weight.  Where's the assists?  The goals?  Winning free kicks and scoring them?  

It seemed like a tidal Tsumai that Forest were ill equipped to deal with in the 1st half.

You can't carry the performances all around today.  Your CHs can't play like they did today and get away with it.  The formerly imperious Worrall and Dawson had an absolute mare today.  Half a mis-firing midfield and presumably Grabban was on the pitch.  But if he doesn't get his 'tap in' service, what does he do?

Forest had been leading a charmed life with their performances of late.  Today they came unstuck vs a team who were all round better.  Monk?  A manager who gets his sides battling, at least.

SA.
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Ribeiro and Figs looking like the best of the bunch now.
Panic on the streets of London
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(14-12-2019, 08:35 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote:
(14-12-2019, 07:19 PM)Alf Wrote: Carvalho gave the ball away 5 times on the trot today. You can't carry that in the Championship.

Others to blame just as much if not more for today's defeat, but you knew when we went behind this kid wasn't pulling us back from that position. And that's the problem.

No coincidence we lose when he & Silva start. Yes the defence screwed up, but defending stronger from the front would help that.

You can't keep giving the ball away like that.  It sucks the air out of a team real quick.  It soon starts to feel like you're playing with less than 11 players on the pitch. 

Forest seemed 'off it' from the start. 

Car'.  As an understudy to an 'Andy Reid' would be fine.  If we'd got Car for the price of Majewski.  

Yes.  You have to defend from the front.  Having Silva and Car' in this midfield?  Forest seemed light weight.  Where's the assists?  The goals?  Winning free kicks and scoring them?  

It seemed like a tidal Tsumai that Forest were ill equipped to deal with in the 1st half.

You can't carry the performances all around today.  Your CHs can't play like they did today and get away with it.  The formerly imperious Worrall and Dawson had an absolute mare today.  Half a mis-firing midfield and presumably Grabban was on the pitch.  But if he doesn't get his 'tap in' service, what does he do?

Forest had been leading a charmed life with their performances of late.  Today they came unstuck vs a team who were all round better.  Monk?  A manager who gets his sides battling, at least.

SA.

Carvalho, struggling for minutes, still trying to get match fit, has a pass completion rate of 80% this season. 

Only Watson and Silva (80.8%) have better. 

Carvalho probably created and had two of our best shots at goal yesterday.
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2 shots for 13m - value for money? MON was right about him!
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Ameobi produces more each week than Carvalho does.

MON was indeed right.
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Don t think we need to worry as come January he will be moving on
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Nixon saying 15m to Olympiakos
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(15-12-2019, 11:41 AM)ozzyten10 Wrote: 2 shots for 13m - value for money? MON was right about him!

In what world does the two shots equate to £13m?

..and Martin O’Neill, the failure of a manager who took us from a position of strength to dire football in three months. I’ll stick with stats, facts and my own personal view thanks.
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