Vitor Pereira - Our Manager

[wassy04]

Play the B team in the EL as to lose  next round and leave the entire 1st team to battle relegation. Being in the EL has been so detrimental to our club this season not only on the players, but transfers, managers and bad press in the media start of the season a real poison chalice.

I'm the opposite, screw the league, lets focus on the EL. We might never qualify for Europe again and this is wide open.

[JollyLollyAussie]

And there lies the problem Wassy, half the fan base have not seen Forest in Europe while the older generation (me included) have expereinced this before. I can tell you now that this seasons ventures in comparison have been poor from a football persective. PL is where this club needs to be, Europe can come again in time, EM should instruct VP to drop the competion which I would assume be a releif for VP and possibly the players to, can I add that many will disagree but its my honest opinion.

[wassy04]

And there lies the problem Wassy, half the fan base have not seen Forest in Europe while the older generation (me included) have expereinced this before. I can tell you now that this seasons ventures in comparison have been poor from a football persective. PL is where this club needs to be, Europe can come again in time, EM should instruct VP to drop the competion which I would assume be a releif for VP and possibly the players to, can I add that many will disagree but its my honest opinion.

Well I can't imagine the early rounds of the European cup were that great either, this is where it gets interesting. Big knockout matches in the later stages.

I know getting relegated will suck but we will go down with a bunch of young players perfectly setup to play in the EFL, parachute payments still a thing and a few jewels we can sell to fund the wage budget etc. I'd fancy us to finish above Burnley and Wolves too. Point is this is a bigger chance, we shouldn't just abandon it. What was the whole point of last season if we do that.

If anything rotate for the Fulham game

[Salvatore Matrecano]

And there lies the problem Wassy, half the fan base have not seen Forest in Europe while the older generation (me included) have expereinced this before. I can tell you now that this seasons ventures in comparison have been poor from a football persective. PL is where this club needs to be, Europe can come again in time, EM should instruct VP to drop the competion which I would assume be a releif for VP and possibly the players to, can I add that many will disagree but its my honest opinion.

That of course is the sensible take on things JL.

Except..with my non sensible head on i agree with Wassy. There is a very good chance I will never get to see Forest play in Europe again. I want to make the most of it. After this season the closest I will get to that is a trip to Swansea.

[JollyLollyAussie]

Take your points on board Wassy/Sal but in reply to Waasy particular I would disagree regards earlier rounds of say the EC back in the days. This was a straight knock out, home and away NO seeding, straight out of the hat! All Forest fans know that we drew the previous years champions in the 1st round (Liverpool) as all who went will tell you that the final against Malmo was crap but the event was imense.

[BomberBowyer]

And there lies the problem Wassy, half the fan base have not seen Forest in Europe while the older generation (me included) have expereinced this before. I can tell you now that this seasons ventures in comparison have been poor from a football persective. PL is where this club needs to be, Europe can come again in time, EM should instruct VP to drop the competion which I would assume be a releif for VP and possibly the players to, can I add that many will disagree but its my honest opinion.

Well I can't imagine the early rounds of the European cup were that great either, this is where it gets interesting. Big knockout matches in the later stages.

I know getting relegated will suck but we will go down with a bunch of young players perfectly setup to play in the EFL, parachute payments still a thing and a few jewels we can sell to fund the wage budget etc. I'd fancy us to finish above Burnley and Wolves too. Point is this is a bigger chance, we shouldn't just abandon it. What was the whole point of last season if we do that.

If anything rotate for the Fulham game

I like your optimism Wassy but for me relegation would be a disaster. Maybe it’s just me but who would our manager be and we’d most likely face a massive rebuild because as well as seeing Anderson, Murillo and MGW leave we’d most likely pretty much all of the first team and second string. Taiwo, Yates, Abbott probably only ones to stick around. We’d need to get players in and ready to go quickly and then say we did get promoted again we’d have another massive rebuild on our hands.

[wassy04]

And there lies the problem Wassy, half the fan base have not seen Forest in Europe while the older generation (me included) have expereinced this before. I can tell you now that this seasons ventures in comparison have been poor from a football persective. PL is where this club needs to be, Europe can come again in time, EM should instruct VP to drop the competion which I would assume be a releif for VP and possibly the players to, can I add that many will disagree but its my honest opinion.

Well I can't imagine the early rounds of the European cup were that great either, this is where it gets interesting. Big knockout matches in the later stages.

I know getting relegated will suck but we will go down with a bunch of young players perfectly setup to play in the EFL, parachute payments still a thing and a few jewels we can sell to fund the wage budget etc. I'd fancy us to finish above Burnley and Wolves too. Point is this is a bigger chance, we shouldn't just abandon it. What was the whole point of last season if we do that.

If anything rotate for the Fulham game

I like your optimism Wassy but for me relegation would be a disaster. Maybe it’s just me but who would our manager be and we’d most likely face a massive rebuild because as well as seeing Anderson, Murillo and MGW leave we’d most likely pretty much all of the first team and second string. Taiwo, Yates, Abbott probably only ones to stick around. We’d need to get players in and ready to go quickly and then say we did get promoted again we’d have another massive rebuild on our hands.

I always wonder why there is this assumption that everyone would leave. Firstly, because the players are part of a team that has just gone down, how many are actually going to have genuine interest at market value. So then the 2nd assumption is everyone would want to leave, this may well be true but they are mostly under contract, on contracts they are unlikely to get elsewhere and so then it comes down to how many we need to sell to meet financial rules and foster a winning environment. 

Hypothetically I would imagine selling Murillo, MGW & Anderson for a combined 200m odd would cover the financial part. Suspect there's a few more we'd want to cash in on due to age/value plus some might push harder than others that leave.

I think you end up with a core of something like Abbott, Cunha, Morato, Netz, Savona, Sels, Yates, Dominguez, Mcatee, N'Doye, Bakwa, Hutchinson, Wood, Jesus.

That's Neco, Aina, Sangare, MGW, Anderson, Murillo, Milenkovic, CHO all going which is already quite a lot. Some of those may end up staying too who knows, wages will dictate partly too. Then some of the likes of N'Doye and Bakwa, we might sell if for some unknown reason, we receive a reasonable offer. One way or another we'll have a solid core of younger players (mainly the ones that failed this year). Then you likely bring in 5-10 Steve Cook style signings to bolster the starting 11/squad, championship vets, the types that tend to move on after getting promotion. 

Manager is a bit tougher (Steve Cooper?!?!), as you really want someone that you could feasibly keep after a potential promotion. Someone like McKenna at Ipswich I guess if available or you go abroad and go for someone like Boro or Sunderland got, obviously lots of duds in that field too. Or go for a one year promotion candidate type that's been there.

Not saying it wouldn't be a disaster and would obviously put us back years but it's not the same as if it happened after year 1. Also, we'll need a big squad next year to cope with the twin demands of the EFL and the Champions League...

[The reds]

I feel sorry for him. Seemed like him and MGW were the only ones that tried in the stadium yesterday. Made multiple in game changes to get a point but didn't work out. But also dropping Morato and Lucca after 4 games is a big statement.

[Username]

One win in six.

[DeesideRed]

One win in six.

The only stat that matters.

[Stojanm]

One win in six.

Not too sure the manager is to blame. We are playing good football under him but have no goalscorer. We can’t always blame the mangers. The results have been the same under 4 managers now. The players are not as good as we think they are and we have no goalscorer. I think Kalimuendo could have done well under Pereira

[Username]

One win in six.

Not too sure the manager is to blame. We are playing good football under him but have no goalscorer. We can’t always blame the mangers. The results have been the same under 4 managers now. The players are not as good as we think they are and we have no goalscorer. I think Kalimuendo could have done well under Pereira

Are you having a giraffe?

Some of the decision making from the bench tonight was baffling. 

Sideways and backwards but without the results.