Should Sabri Be Sacked Or Not?

[Username]

The way that he just went after Stoke and barely spoke to the players.

[Jacksbadhobbits]

Here we go again. How confident are we that we will get a better manager who is going to get more from players chosen by Sabri. We have gone down this path a million times during the last 25 years and it weakens the club. It gets the club further into debt and more distant from the premier league. We assemble a team to play one style, chuck it away and try a new style with players brought in my previous managers. That strategy has been proven to fail. Sometimes patience gets rewarded. Ferguson at It's, O Neil at Leicester and even Cloughie. The great man arrived in Jan 1975 and we didn't get promoted until May 1977 when we finished 3rd. That was 2 and half seasons later. Sabri did alright last season let's give him a reasonable crack at this season. Surely can't be sacking a manager after two games this season.

[ozzyten10]

I get that but we a clearly getting worse. Rock Bottom of the form table if you include last season - proper relegation form from the last 10 games. I didn’t want O’Neil, Karanka or even warburton sacked. I’m finding it hard to support Sabri. I wonder how many season cards are now asking for a full refund after watching our first 3 games?

[Paplane]

Here we go again. How confident are we that we will get a better manager who is going to get more from players chosen by Sabri. We have gone down this path a million times during the last 25 years and it weakens the club. It gets the club further into debt and more distant from the premier league. We assemble a team to play one style, chuck it away and try a new style with players brought in my previous managers. That strategy has been proven to fail. Sometimes patience gets rewarded. Ferguson at It's, O Neil at Leicester and even Cloughie. The great man arrived in Jan 1975 and we didn't get promoted until May 1977 when we finished 3rd. That was 2 and half seasons later. Sabri did alright last season let's give him a reasonable crack at this season. Surely can't be sacking a manager after two games this season.

Sanity at last. I suspect we're in the minority now.

[the jock]

I get that but we a clearly getting worse. Rock Bottom of the form table if you include last season - proper relegation form from the last 10 games. I didn’t want O’Neil, Karanka or even warburton sacked. I’m finding it hard to support Sabri. I wonder how many season cards are now asking for a full refund after watching our first 3 games?

Mon had won 4 out of his last 7 games.

[Username]

Here we go again. How confident are we that we will get a better manager who is going to get more from players chosen by Sabri. We have gone down this path a million times during the last 25 years and it weakens the club. It gets the club further into debt and more distant from the premier league. We assemble a team to play one style, chuck it away and try a new style with players brought in my previous managers. That strategy has been proven to fail. Sometimes patience gets rewarded. Ferguson at It's, O Neil at Leicester and even Cloughie. The great man arrived in Jan 1975 and we didn't get promoted until May 1977 when we finished 3rd. That was 2 and half seasons later. Sabri did alright last season let's give him a reasonable crack at this season. Surely can't be sacking a manager after two games this season.

Sanity at last. I suspect we're in the minority now.

Sanity in what respect?

Are you advocating no change for the sake of it?

What is there to suggest that this is the right course of action?

At what point, if the run continues, does supporting the current manager become insanity?

I dearly want him to succeed and have not once suggested he go but I struggle to make a coherent case to support why. 

From a personal perspective he made a number of baffling decisions last season when we were on a good run but they were ignored because the results spoke for themselves and rightly so. 

This isn’t a small run of bad games. 

This isn’t us not getting the rub of the green.

If I felt the players were playing for him then I would be confident of us turning a corner soon. I genuinely can’t see that right now. We have had two decent patches of football this season. One against QPR where Sabri had to go against his fundamental principles as to how he sets us up and today when Cardiff were two up, coasting and stopped doing some of the basics they were doing in the first half.

[Plymouth red]

One of the points in keeping Sabri is that he was acclimatised to the championship. That we would not need a settling period. That we would be able to get off to a fast start and be challenging early doors.

Well that clearly hasn't happened and the quality of performance in all three games (yes Barnsley was a competive game despite the best intentions of others to paint it as something else) have been dire. We have not scored and for the first 225 minutes of the season had only one shot on target.

Those claiming that second half was better miss that we were playing a side happy to sit back and protect their lead. One feels that if Cardiff had not taken their foot off the gas then we probably would have lost by more.

There is no comfort in changing the manager. I tend not to advocate it but what evidence do we have that Friday will offer us anything different?

[zicorice]

One of the points in keeping Sabri is that he was acclimatised to the championship. That we would not need a settling period. That we would be able to get off to a fast start and be challenging early doors.

Well that clearly hasn't happened and the quality of performance in all three games (yes Barnsley was a competive game despite the best intentions of others to paint it as something else) have been dire. We have not scored and for the first 225 minutes of the season had only one shot on target.

Those claiming that second half was better miss that we were playing a side happy to sit back and protect their lead. One feels that if Cardiff had not taken their foot off the gas then we probably would have lost by more.

There is no comfort in changing the manager. I tend not to advocate it but what evidence do we have that Friday will offer us anything different?

I think it's a touch unfair to not give Forest credit for 2nd half performance. Aside from finishing (again) I actually found myself enjoying our performance in those 45 minutes. Cardiff were penned in more than sat back. We have to start with a similar attitude from the off. Grabbs needs to get his mojo back as without goals he is currently offering us nothing else. Last year his all round play was superb for the most part. 

If we revert back to passively shuffling around in a defensive mindset then he will be the architect of his own downfall sadly. We also have one defender who has been directly involved in all four league goals conceded  so far and Sabri needs to rest him to help save his own job.  On the other hand if we pick up with where we left off then things will turn around very quickly.

[ozzyten10]

Zico- that is the most positive take I have read on today. I really hope you are right. We have enough on paper to overcome this. I just think something isn’t quite right.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Here we go again. How confident are we that we will get a better manager who is going to get more from players chosen by Sabri. We have gone down this path a million times during the last 25 years and it weakens the club. It gets the club further into debt and more distant from the premier league. We assemble a team to play one style, chuck it away and try a new style with players brought in my previous managers. That strategy has been proven to fail. Sometimes patience gets rewarded. Ferguson at It's, O Neil at Leicester and even Cloughie. The great man arrived in Jan 1975 and we didn't get promoted until May 1977 when we finished 3rd. That was 2 and half seasons later. Sabri did alright last season let's give him a reasonable crack at this season. Surely can't be sacking a manager after two games this season.

Sanity at last. I suspect we're in the minority now.

Sanity in what respect?

Are you advocating no change for the sake of it?

What is there to suggest that this is the right course of action?

At what point, if the run continues, does supporting the current manager become insanity?

I dearly want him to succeed and have not once suggested he go but I struggle to make a coherent case to support why. 

From a personal perspective he made a number of baffling decisions last season when we were on a good run but they were ignored because the results spoke for themselves and rightly so. 

This isn’t a small run of bad games. 

This isn’t us not getting the rub of the green.

If I felt the players were playing for him then I would be confident of us turning a corner soon. I genuinely can’t see that right now. We have had two decent patches of football this season. One against QPR where Sabri had to go against his fundamental principles as to how he sets us up and today when Cardiff were two up, coasting and stopped doing some of the basics they were doing in the first half.

So you are saying Twist for the 20th time in 21 years then. Can you remind me of when that has worked?

No I dont know if Sabri can turn it around either but I do know chucking it all away and starting again at this point wont work either.

[Paplane]

Here we go again. How confident are we that we will get a better manager who is going to get more from players chosen by Sabri. We have gone down this path a million times during the last 25 years and it weakens the club. It gets the club further into debt and more distant from the premier league. We assemble a team to play one style, chuck it away and try a new style with players brought in my previous managers. That strategy has been proven to fail. Sometimes patience gets rewarded. Ferguson at It's, O Neil at Leicester and even Cloughie. The great man arrived in Jan 1975 and we didn't get promoted until May 1977 when we finished 3rd. That was 2 and half seasons later. Sabri did alright last season let's give him a reasonable crack at this season. Surely can't be sacking a manager after two games this season.

Sanity at last. I suspect we're in the minority now.

Sanity in what respect?

Are you advocating no change for the sake of it?

What is there to suggest that this is the right course of action?

At what point, if the run continues, does supporting the current manager become insanity?

I dearly want him to succeed and have not once suggested he go but I struggle to make a coherent case to support why. 

From a personal perspective he made a number of baffling decisions last season when we were on a good run but they were ignored because the results spoke for themselves and rightly so. 

This isn’t a small run of bad games. 

This isn’t us not getting the rub of the green.

If I felt the players were playing for him then I would be confident of us turning a corner soon. I genuinely can’t see that right now. We have had two decent patches of football this season. One against QPR where Sabri had to go against his fundamental principles as to how he sets us up and today when Cardiff were two up, coasting and stopped doing some of the basics they were doing in the first half.

So you are saying Twist for the 20th time in 21 years then. Can you remind me of when that has worked?

No I dont know if Sabri can turn it around either but I do know chucking it all away and starting again at this point wont work either.

Thats exactly where i am. Im not enjoying the performances atm (obvioulsy) but I can absolutely guarantee that if we change manager we wont get promoted.

[Username]

Here we go again. How confident are we that we will get a better manager who is going to get more from players chosen by Sabri. We have gone down this path a million times during the last 25 years and it weakens the club. It gets the club further into debt and more distant from the premier league. We assemble a team to play one style, chuck it away and try a new style with players brought in my previous managers. That strategy has been proven to fail. Sometimes patience gets rewarded. Ferguson at It's, O Neil at Leicester and even Cloughie. The great man arrived in Jan 1975 and we didn't get promoted until May 1977 when we finished 3rd. That was 2 and half seasons later. Sabri did alright last season let's give him a reasonable crack at this season. Surely can't be sacking a manager after two games this season.

Sanity at last. I suspect we're in the minority now.

Sanity in what respect?

Are you advocating no change for the sake of it?

What is there to suggest that this is the right course of action?

At what point, if the run continues, does supporting the current manager become insanity?

I dearly want him to succeed and have not once suggested he go but I struggle to make a coherent case to support why. 

From a personal perspective he made a number of baffling decisions last season when we were on a good run but they were ignored because the results spoke for themselves and rightly so. 

This isn’t a small run of bad games. 

This isn’t us not getting the rub of the green.

If I felt the players were playing for him then I would be confident of us turning a corner soon. I genuinely can’t see that right now. We have had two decent patches of football this season. One against QPR where Sabri had to go against his fundamental principles as to how he sets us up and today when Cardiff were two up, coasting and stopped doing some of the basics they were doing in the first half.

So you are saying Twist for the 20th time in 21 years then. Can you remind me of when that has worked?

No I dont know if Sabri can turn it around either but I do know chucking it all away and starting again at this point wont work either.

You can’t know that. 

If that were based in irrefutable fact then every club would do it. 

I do agree that consistency is key and someone needs to be here for longer than a year but the right person. 

I don’t know if Sabri is the right person and have not once advocated for him to go but I am struggling to see why he should stay and I’ve yet to see anyone give a compelling reason as to why other than an avoidance as to not chop and change. 

Would everyone be yearning for the manager to stay if it were Cotterill, Holloway, McLeish, etc? No because the man has to be able to ultimately keep us, not take us short term, on an upward curve.