29-01-2020, 01:30 AM
(This post was last modified: 29-01-2020, 01:58 AM by Joe Baker Legend.)
Brentford v Reds
Comments during & Post Match...
Tim Robinson reffed the Charlton game. Expect loads of stoppages for head injuries
Oh dear! A ref who can’t see when he’s being mugged off by extreme gamesmanship, which we know Forest are no strangers to
So very important to get a result tomorrow. It is more important tomorrow than Saturrday as we're playing a direct rival.
Sorry for stating the bleeding obvious I dont know whether im nervous or excited!
Must win here, will take us to 3rd and with any luck Leeds/West Brom will continue their poor form.
I keep telling myself a win is just 3 more points and if we lose there are lots of games to go but somehow it does not feel like that. I am nervous but hopeful.
Early goal crucial to unpark the arboreal double decker. If not I fear a scrappy 90 mins.
This. Could be the opposite of a classic otherwise. Sorry for negativity (not usually me, I think) but quite apprehensive about this one.
We definitely need the first goal.
Don’t care if it’s the worst match I’ve ever seen as long as we win!
Obviously, a massive 3 points at stake here. Forest has quite surprised me this season to be honest, pegged them to be mid table at best. With that being said, they are playing very well this season and we have to come out all guns blazing to get the result. Would give anything to be there, but I know the support will be in full voice for the boys.Let's get it done. I'll be drinking some good beer and screaming at my computer at the top of my lungs
Statistically they are mid table at best.
No scapegoating individuals tonight!
Apart from Reya (who didn't really have that much to do), I'm sure the players themselves will admit every single one was below the level they expect from themselves.
A lot of similarities with other games this season. Huddersfield (H), and Milwall (A) in particular.
.....it ain't rocket science...we don't like it up us Corporal Jones.
Another 1-0 defeat.
Forest were lucky of course but they’re an awkward team to play for a reason, they manage the game superbly and have a very sturdy defensive framework. Weren’t much of a threat going forward but they didn’t need to be.
Sadly I don’t think we did enough; performance was okay but Jeanvier, Dasilva and Watkins off-colour, crowd tempered by an early goal and not enough impact off the bench to change the game when they were frustrating us.
If we are seriously aiming for top two then that’s a massive dent to our chances.
In what way were they lucky?
What was going on in the front of the Paddock in second half ??
At least two people ejected
Bad day at the office, Onwards and upwards.
They were lucky only in as much as we cannot compete with their type of “football”.
Continued....
Started like we were really on it and caused them a load of problems. Then we failed to close down their man on the edge of the box when Raya punched a corner out. Big deflection and 1-0 Forest. Game over. We lost our heads, got totally rattled by their 'game management' (they were time wasting from the 9th minute). No-one really had a decent game. Frank got his tactics way wrong. We went far too long far too often and lacked any composure when in good positions. Had Watkins played the obvious ball to Said to put him clear we may well have got back into it but it was symptomatic of our general play today that he instead turned back into danger and ended up dragging a shot wide. If Norgaard had got a toe on Mbuemo's cross it would have gone in but that was the last decent ball we put in until Marcondes came on far too late in the second half. Frank's reluctance to change things when it was clear it wasn't working from the 50th minute was incredibly frustrating. No confidence in the options on the bench or just hoping something would come off? DaSilva had an absolute stinker but most of our attacking players had a major off day and we seemed generally panicky in possession. Occasion too much for them? Can't stand teams like Forest but it's been bloody effective against us for a long, long time and we still can't seem to find a way to deal with it. Our plan of going long like against QPR didn't look like it was ever going to work but we didn't seem to have any idea of what else to do. Massively disappointing and feels very much like the games against Middlesbrough under Warbs. If I had a cat it would be duly kicked...
In addition, Forest should have had a stone wall pen in the 2nd half. Can't say we deserved anything from that today.
If youre talking about pinnock vs grabban it was nowhere near stone wall. grabban was looking for it all day long grappling with pinnock forced himself infront and then threw himself over
We didn't deserve to lose but we didn't deserve to win either. Everybody off the boil and they got lucky with a deflection.
But their performance was probably the most cynical I have seen this season. I would be ashamed if we behaved like that.
We never looked like scoring but neither did they.
Having a few basketball players helped them.
....but there are Bees fans out there who are prepared to win whilst playing that way...........
Rico Henry was class, that’s about it. All were shit and off their game, I’m sure they know that and want to rectify it though. Frank very slow on the substitutions, disappointing day for everyone imo
Well their goal was pretty fortunate and came at a perfect time for them.
....what perfect time???????.............just before half time????????................
Also, I wish Sir Peter hadn’t made all the comments re time wasting. I know his heart is in the right place, but it makes us look a bit daft.
Just misfiring at bit going forward at the moment - it happens. We needed a bit of luck to scrape out a 1-1 but it never looked like coming. Said is trying to hard and his tricks are only coming off about 1/10 times. Our crossing was pretty abysmal all night, not clear the first man or clearing everyone!
Might be the moment to mix things up a bit, give Zamburek a start and rest JDS. But, a less good run was bound to come. We just need to grind out a couple of results and hope the fizz returns ready for the last third.
Forest...as reported beforehand...proved to be the roughy toughy team our players with their finesse and silky skills don't like to play......Forest really weren't all that at all....we simply don't know how to compete and then beat teams of their ilk.
Rico Henry was class, that’s about it. All were shit and off their game, I’m sure they know that and want to rectify it though. Frank very slow on the substitutions, disappointing day for everyone imo
Dealt with the freak who was 3ft taller than him very well considering that was their goto tactic throughout the game
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Hated tonight from the 1st til the last mintue, Ealing Road was full of dickheads who were there as tourists, bring on Lionel Road!!!!
Cos there won't be tourists there
no, not standing at the top of the west stand....hopefully they will be as far away as possible!!! When the game ended today there was acres of space were I was standing as a group of at least 15-20 decided to leave 20 minutes early. Nothing against attracting new fans but they can sit else where next year and not bother real fans...Its only going to get worse with each passing gamne with people seeking that Ealing Terrace experience before it ends.
I hope the club can prevent this from happening as much as they possibly can to ensure our last few games are attended by real fans.
Couldnt really see the goal from ER very well, just seen it back on sky. How unlucky can we be to concede that? As rasmus likes to say, the league table ALWAYS lies, and moments like that are why. Not saying we deserved to win, we wernt great but thats a shocker of a deflection
We do struggle against these type teams. Saying that I thought we were off it tonight, bit like at their place tbf.
Top six still very much on though, top 2 probably a no.
Just one of those nights. Why one of their best players was allowed so much time on the edge of our box is baffling. Once they were in front they were galvernised. Credit to Forest, their work out of possession was outstanding and we couldn’t stretch them. On to the next one.
Forest got a lucky goal but we're organised and astute.. Fair play..
We lacked guile and quality at the end.. Norgaard missed a sitter... Lads kept fighting but I'm shocked TF didn't bring on Valencia and Halil for the last 20... We should have gone all out from it.... However with West Brom losing . 2nd place is still up for grabs.. 17 games left.. Lots of twists and turns remaining
People above point out that we were all off our game. All off our game for a reason... we haven't yet found a formula for playing against these sides. Catch on... we're always off our game against these sides (Birmingham, Huddersfield, Nottingham, Millwall). This was pretty much the result that I feared (i.e. the one that some of us witnessed at the City Ground). Fluky deflected goal for them early on (fluky goal which might have been avoided had we been organised enough to have a player close enough to block rather than deflect). Sadly for us, this Forest side is the Boro team of our play-off season: organised and strong; defensively minded; cynical throughout (time wasting from the off, hard man midfielder in ref's ear throughout etc.); yet talented enough to carry a threat going forward (largely suppressed by the aforementioned stuff).
Let's not get too down. It's just one game. Plenty of the season left to see this yet see-saw one way and the other. We'll end up in the top six, maybe even the top two. It's just a bit frustrating that we end up on the wrong side of these too often (no points from Forest, 1 point from Huddersfield).
I thought Forest played well. Yes, they time wasted almost from the off and they were extremely ‘professional’ with their nasty little fouls. Of course they were lucky with the goal but credit where credit’s due. They were very tight defensively and when they came forward, they did so at speed.
We, on the other hand were pretty lacklustre and our heads seemed to drop after the goal. Our corners and attempts at crossing were abysmal and we gave away possession far too often. Benrahma was off his game and should have been replaced with Dervisoglu.
So, can’t really complain about the result. We lack strength in depth and maybe a quick foray into the transfer market would help. Having said that, not sure who’s out there who could do a job for us.
Also what is it with attacking ER first half?
Is this our choice or oppo?
Opposition I would hope. Third time this season. First time: 7-0. Second time 3-1. I actually thought Forest might have blown it by doing this. Sadly not.
Continued again....
Forest were a horrible team who cheat, waste time, but are good at match management. Allied to a weak referee, was the perfect recipe for a very frustrating evening. Lost count of the times their very vocal and excitable Manager went outside his box, but Stroud, as 4th, kept on having a laugh and joke about it to him. IMO should have got the ref to at least book him, for ignoring his 'chatty' warnings.
I know it's with hindsight, but why was most of our 1st team playing tonight, rested on Saturday? Didn't seem to do them any good. They may well just have played the Foxes on Saturday, judging by their out of sorts performance tonight.
As already mentioned JDS had a shocker, should have been hooked for Emiliano to come on much earlier than he did. When on the pitch Marcondes provided a bit of hope.
TF and his team still have to work out how to beat teams like Forest, 'udders and the like. Let's hope they learn quickly as we've still got some like minded teams in the remaining matches.
What was going on in the front of the Paddock in second half ??
At least two people ejected
Witnessed it close enough but didn't hear what was said. A number a fans were giving Cash shit during a throw-in (rightfully so, let's not make it easy on them) and one fan came over to them (I'm guessing to tell them to let Cash get in with the game, not give him an excuse to delay the game any further), the fans giving Cash abuse didn't take kindly to whatever the one fan had to say to them. Once security came over it turned into some handbags I think, nothing too serious, few arms swinging don't know if anything connected.
A tough watch. Wasn't pretty but they were effective and also managed to get in Tim the ref's ear from the off.
They looked delighted with their night's work but blatant gamesmanship and time wasting from early in the first half just seems wrong.
How frustrating was that? I won't linger on any of the shitehousery we saw from Forest as it was obvious to all.
We had the misfortune to play to two of Forest's strengths - defending a lead and scoring from attacking set piece (although they had a massive slice of luck). Then we saw a very well drilled and coached team perform to a gameplan which their "coach" would have loved.
For our part things just weren't clicking today, decision making was at times poor and the ball just wouldn't drop right in their box. I was suprised that Marcondes was the only sub to come on as both Mbuemo and Benrahma looked very tired and it wasn't their day. Halil and Valencia may have added something different for Forest to think about.
There number 21 - Sow was it? I was trying to work out where his talent as footballer was hiding or was his job literally to try and concuss Said in the first mintue than run around bundling into everyone give away numerous fouls and not get booked. If that sort of player and Forest's style of play does it for them then crack on, personally I think it's utter rubbish. Compare and contrast with their close neighbours Leceister City, a proper football team, and the game we had with them. To be honest I hope Forest don't get anywhere this season and implode financially
On to Saturday and a reaction please!
Comments during & Post Match...
Tim Robinson reffed the Charlton game. Expect loads of stoppages for head injuries
Oh dear! A ref who can’t see when he’s being mugged off by extreme gamesmanship, which we know Forest are no strangers to
So very important to get a result tomorrow. It is more important tomorrow than Saturrday as we're playing a direct rival.
Sorry for stating the bleeding obvious I dont know whether im nervous or excited!
Must win here, will take us to 3rd and with any luck Leeds/West Brom will continue their poor form.
I keep telling myself a win is just 3 more points and if we lose there are lots of games to go but somehow it does not feel like that. I am nervous but hopeful.
Early goal crucial to unpark the arboreal double decker. If not I fear a scrappy 90 mins.
This. Could be the opposite of a classic otherwise. Sorry for negativity (not usually me, I think) but quite apprehensive about this one.
We definitely need the first goal.
Don’t care if it’s the worst match I’ve ever seen as long as we win!
Obviously, a massive 3 points at stake here. Forest has quite surprised me this season to be honest, pegged them to be mid table at best. With that being said, they are playing very well this season and we have to come out all guns blazing to get the result. Would give anything to be there, but I know the support will be in full voice for the boys.Let's get it done. I'll be drinking some good beer and screaming at my computer at the top of my lungs
Statistically they are mid table at best.
No scapegoating individuals tonight!
Apart from Reya (who didn't really have that much to do), I'm sure the players themselves will admit every single one was below the level they expect from themselves.
A lot of similarities with other games this season. Huddersfield (H), and Milwall (A) in particular.
.....it ain't rocket science...we don't like it up us Corporal Jones.
Another 1-0 defeat.
Forest were lucky of course but they’re an awkward team to play for a reason, they manage the game superbly and have a very sturdy defensive framework. Weren’t much of a threat going forward but they didn’t need to be.
Sadly I don’t think we did enough; performance was okay but Jeanvier, Dasilva and Watkins off-colour, crowd tempered by an early goal and not enough impact off the bench to change the game when they were frustrating us.
If we are seriously aiming for top two then that’s a massive dent to our chances.
In what way were they lucky?
What was going on in the front of the Paddock in second half ??
At least two people ejected
Bad day at the office, Onwards and upwards.
They were lucky only in as much as we cannot compete with their type of “football”.
Continued....
Started like we were really on it and caused them a load of problems. Then we failed to close down their man on the edge of the box when Raya punched a corner out. Big deflection and 1-0 Forest. Game over. We lost our heads, got totally rattled by their 'game management' (they were time wasting from the 9th minute). No-one really had a decent game. Frank got his tactics way wrong. We went far too long far too often and lacked any composure when in good positions. Had Watkins played the obvious ball to Said to put him clear we may well have got back into it but it was symptomatic of our general play today that he instead turned back into danger and ended up dragging a shot wide. If Norgaard had got a toe on Mbuemo's cross it would have gone in but that was the last decent ball we put in until Marcondes came on far too late in the second half. Frank's reluctance to change things when it was clear it wasn't working from the 50th minute was incredibly frustrating. No confidence in the options on the bench or just hoping something would come off? DaSilva had an absolute stinker but most of our attacking players had a major off day and we seemed generally panicky in possession. Occasion too much for them? Can't stand teams like Forest but it's been bloody effective against us for a long, long time and we still can't seem to find a way to deal with it. Our plan of going long like against QPR didn't look like it was ever going to work but we didn't seem to have any idea of what else to do. Massively disappointing and feels very much like the games against Middlesbrough under Warbs. If I had a cat it would be duly kicked...
In addition, Forest should have had a stone wall pen in the 2nd half. Can't say we deserved anything from that today.
If youre talking about pinnock vs grabban it was nowhere near stone wall. grabban was looking for it all day long grappling with pinnock forced himself infront and then threw himself over
We didn't deserve to lose but we didn't deserve to win either. Everybody off the boil and they got lucky with a deflection.
But their performance was probably the most cynical I have seen this season. I would be ashamed if we behaved like that.
We never looked like scoring but neither did they.
Having a few basketball players helped them.
....but there are Bees fans out there who are prepared to win whilst playing that way...........
Rico Henry was class, that’s about it. All were shit and off their game, I’m sure they know that and want to rectify it though. Frank very slow on the substitutions, disappointing day for everyone imo
Well their goal was pretty fortunate and came at a perfect time for them.
....what perfect time???????.............just before half time????????................
Also, I wish Sir Peter hadn’t made all the comments re time wasting. I know his heart is in the right place, but it makes us look a bit daft.
Just misfiring at bit going forward at the moment - it happens. We needed a bit of luck to scrape out a 1-1 but it never looked like coming. Said is trying to hard and his tricks are only coming off about 1/10 times. Our crossing was pretty abysmal all night, not clear the first man or clearing everyone!
Might be the moment to mix things up a bit, give Zamburek a start and rest JDS. But, a less good run was bound to come. We just need to grind out a couple of results and hope the fizz returns ready for the last third.
Forest...as reported beforehand...proved to be the roughy toughy team our players with their finesse and silky skills don't like to play......Forest really weren't all that at all....we simply don't know how to compete and then beat teams of their ilk.
Rico Henry was class, that’s about it. All were shit and off their game, I’m sure they know that and want to rectify it though. Frank very slow on the substitutions, disappointing day for everyone imo
Dealt with the freak who was 3ft taller than him very well considering that was their goto tactic throughout the game
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Hated tonight from the 1st til the last mintue, Ealing Road was full of dickheads who were there as tourists, bring on Lionel Road!!!!
Cos there won't be tourists there
no, not standing at the top of the west stand....hopefully they will be as far away as possible!!! When the game ended today there was acres of space were I was standing as a group of at least 15-20 decided to leave 20 minutes early. Nothing against attracting new fans but they can sit else where next year and not bother real fans...Its only going to get worse with each passing gamne with people seeking that Ealing Terrace experience before it ends.
I hope the club can prevent this from happening as much as they possibly can to ensure our last few games are attended by real fans.
Couldnt really see the goal from ER very well, just seen it back on sky. How unlucky can we be to concede that? As rasmus likes to say, the league table ALWAYS lies, and moments like that are why. Not saying we deserved to win, we wernt great but thats a shocker of a deflection
We do struggle against these type teams. Saying that I thought we were off it tonight, bit like at their place tbf.
Top six still very much on though, top 2 probably a no.
Just one of those nights. Why one of their best players was allowed so much time on the edge of our box is baffling. Once they were in front they were galvernised. Credit to Forest, their work out of possession was outstanding and we couldn’t stretch them. On to the next one.
Forest got a lucky goal but we're organised and astute.. Fair play..
We lacked guile and quality at the end.. Norgaard missed a sitter... Lads kept fighting but I'm shocked TF didn't bring on Valencia and Halil for the last 20... We should have gone all out from it.... However with West Brom losing . 2nd place is still up for grabs.. 17 games left.. Lots of twists and turns remaining
People above point out that we were all off our game. All off our game for a reason... we haven't yet found a formula for playing against these sides. Catch on... we're always off our game against these sides (Birmingham, Huddersfield, Nottingham, Millwall). This was pretty much the result that I feared (i.e. the one that some of us witnessed at the City Ground). Fluky deflected goal for them early on (fluky goal which might have been avoided had we been organised enough to have a player close enough to block rather than deflect). Sadly for us, this Forest side is the Boro team of our play-off season: organised and strong; defensively minded; cynical throughout (time wasting from the off, hard man midfielder in ref's ear throughout etc.); yet talented enough to carry a threat going forward (largely suppressed by the aforementioned stuff).
Let's not get too down. It's just one game. Plenty of the season left to see this yet see-saw one way and the other. We'll end up in the top six, maybe even the top two. It's just a bit frustrating that we end up on the wrong side of these too often (no points from Forest, 1 point from Huddersfield).
I thought Forest played well. Yes, they time wasted almost from the off and they were extremely ‘professional’ with their nasty little fouls. Of course they were lucky with the goal but credit where credit’s due. They were very tight defensively and when they came forward, they did so at speed.
We, on the other hand were pretty lacklustre and our heads seemed to drop after the goal. Our corners and attempts at crossing were abysmal and we gave away possession far too often. Benrahma was off his game and should have been replaced with Dervisoglu.
So, can’t really complain about the result. We lack strength in depth and maybe a quick foray into the transfer market would help. Having said that, not sure who’s out there who could do a job for us.
Also what is it with attacking ER first half?
Is this our choice or oppo?
Opposition I would hope. Third time this season. First time: 7-0. Second time 3-1. I actually thought Forest might have blown it by doing this. Sadly not.
Continued again....
Forest were a horrible team who cheat, waste time, but are good at match management. Allied to a weak referee, was the perfect recipe for a very frustrating evening. Lost count of the times their very vocal and excitable Manager went outside his box, but Stroud, as 4th, kept on having a laugh and joke about it to him. IMO should have got the ref to at least book him, for ignoring his 'chatty' warnings.
I know it's with hindsight, but why was most of our 1st team playing tonight, rested on Saturday? Didn't seem to do them any good. They may well just have played the Foxes on Saturday, judging by their out of sorts performance tonight.
As already mentioned JDS had a shocker, should have been hooked for Emiliano to come on much earlier than he did. When on the pitch Marcondes provided a bit of hope.
TF and his team still have to work out how to beat teams like Forest, 'udders and the like. Let's hope they learn quickly as we've still got some like minded teams in the remaining matches.
What was going on in the front of the Paddock in second half ??
At least two people ejected
Witnessed it close enough but didn't hear what was said. A number a fans were giving Cash shit during a throw-in (rightfully so, let's not make it easy on them) and one fan came over to them (I'm guessing to tell them to let Cash get in with the game, not give him an excuse to delay the game any further), the fans giving Cash abuse didn't take kindly to whatever the one fan had to say to them. Once security came over it turned into some handbags I think, nothing too serious, few arms swinging don't know if anything connected.
A tough watch. Wasn't pretty but they were effective and also managed to get in Tim the ref's ear from the off.
They looked delighted with their night's work but blatant gamesmanship and time wasting from early in the first half just seems wrong.
How frustrating was that? I won't linger on any of the shitehousery we saw from Forest as it was obvious to all.
We had the misfortune to play to two of Forest's strengths - defending a lead and scoring from attacking set piece (although they had a massive slice of luck). Then we saw a very well drilled and coached team perform to a gameplan which their "coach" would have loved.
For our part things just weren't clicking today, decision making was at times poor and the ball just wouldn't drop right in their box. I was suprised that Marcondes was the only sub to come on as both Mbuemo and Benrahma looked very tired and it wasn't their day. Halil and Valencia may have added something different for Forest to think about.
There number 21 - Sow was it? I was trying to work out where his talent as footballer was hiding or was his job literally to try and concuss Said in the first mintue than run around bundling into everyone give away numerous fouls and not get booked. If that sort of player and Forest's style of play does it for them then crack on, personally I think it's utter rubbish. Compare and contrast with their close neighbours Leceister City, a proper football team, and the game we had with them. To be honest I hope Forest don't get anywhere this season and implode financially
On to Saturday and a reaction please!