Optimism Or Not?

[woody]

Has it crossed anyone's mind that MONS treatment of Carvalho has actually been good for the player and we will now benefit from that?
I am optimistic that Carvalho will become a better player now.

Can’t say that, would be admitting it was a good tactic! ;) there is no way of knowing whether any improvement was due to this treatment, the coaching or whether this would’ve happened regardless so it’s all speculation. I guess it’s the end result that matters, if MON is essentially admitting his mistakes and playing him every week from now on then I will accept it. I remain concerned he only played as an experiment and will be abandoned next season.

I like Carvalho and I hope he will stay with us but I don't get this 'Carvalho love in'. Let's not forget that Karanka was also leaving him out before MON arrived. Yes he was great against Boro but he has also been anonymous in many games this season. We shouldn't forget that.
For me the jury is still out.

Yeah I’ve never claimed carvalho is a great player, simply that he should be in the team and has been treated badly, which could’ve harmed his growth. Also he only missed one game away at reading and it was one of our worst performances. Another myth that one I just looked he started the previous 3 games. 

With that in mind though the potential for big improvement in carvalho is one of the main reasons for optimism. Players tend to have a big leap in their second season in England and that also applies for a first full season playing regularly. He’s showed flashes so far but if he could add consistency it could be exciting. 

(Sorry for bringing it back to him but I feel it’s on line win the thread)

Where is the evidence that he's been treated badly? Are you seeing O'Neill beating him with a baseball bat or force feeding him dog food? Truth is you dont know. Its supposition on your part because Carvalho is all good as far as you're concerned. I dont know for sure but given O'Neills overall managerial record, Carvalho's differing performance before and since he returned, Im looking on it as the treatment that Carvalho needs to make him a better player. Its early days but I hope that Carvalho will also see it as the correct response to his patchy performances. There are many examples of players needing some hard love to make them realise their potential. The biggest lesson that any player in the Forest squad should have learned since O'Neills arrival is that as well as Carvalho, no player will be allowed to coast through games, everyone must contribute and give 100%. Its all for the good of Nottingham Forest FC and for next season. About time some people started seeing the bigger picture.