The 2019 Summer Clearout
(01-05-2019, 09:37 AM)the jock Wrote: we are in a very good place in regards FFP but we wont be able to spend as much this summer, unless ofcourse we finance it by the sale of some players.

It all depends on what the losses were for last season and how much we wish to spend.

Last seasons transfer dealings were roughly neutral as far as P & S goes; the sale of Brereton was largely the reason why.

I would imagine that wages went up again but so did income.

Lets assume we lost 10m (my educated guess would be far less than that) last season and 5m the season before, that gives us 24m of losses to play with.

We could spread 50m over 5 seasons and still comply with the P & S rules as it would only take up 10m of the 24m - you obviously need to add wages on top.

The question is "does EM want to spend that amount?"

I would assume not and hazard a guess that we will spend around half that, and 25m is not to be sneezed at if spent well.

Lets assume we do spend something in that ball park, the sale of Osborn for 5m, who does look like he is heading out, would make the summer dealings more or less neutral again.

The above figures could be pie in the sky, but have I seen enough for me to suggest that we now have a sustainable strategy in place with regard to recruitment.
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(01-05-2019, 10:00 AM)Jean_claude_killy Wrote:
(01-05-2019, 09:37 AM)the jock Wrote: we are in a very good place in regards FFP but we wont be able to spend as much this summer, unless ofcourse we finance it by the sale of some players.


The above figures could be pie in the sky, but have I seen enough for me to suggest that we now have a sustainable strategy in place with regard to recruitment.

i agree for sure. i have confidence in our hierarchy spending wise.  it will be an interesting summer.
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I really can’t see us spending anything like we did last season. For two main reasons one the large injection was required to bump up the squad to a mid-table level as we were at a low starting point of quality compared to others in the league. We now have a base to which to build on so not required. Second and a big factor here is MON seems more likely to look for best value at reduced risk over the spend big and hope it pays off.
If I was to guess, I think at best we will spend approx. 7-8 million excluding player sales this season. Which is still high for the championship I will add.
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The amount we spent in January for what was supposed to be a continued promotion push implies we probably won’t spent big again this summer (although I think our jan business was ok, just badly missed on bonatini)

Then again I wasn’t expecting us to spend £13m on one player so I still have hope we’ll ship out £10m on maybe 2-3 players supplemented with a few loans to buy if we go up and some speculative loans on some foreign players or maybe a Tammy Abraham style signing ie big fee for an established player we have no chance of signing permanently afterwards
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(01-05-2019, 09:45 AM)Jean_claude_killy Wrote: By my calculations the really big clear out will come next season.

Out of this seasons playing staff the following will have their loans terminated at the end of the Month:
Colback
Wague
Goncalves
Janko
Byram
Pele
Bonatini

The following players contracts run out at the end of the month:
Ward
Henderson
Walker  (is that correct?)

The following players contracts run out in the summer of 2020
Geddy
Benalouane
Ansfarid
Yacob
Robinson
Milosivic
Tachsidis
Vellios
Cummings
Bridcutt
Watson
Murphy
Aryibi
Grant
Lam - on loan to Zwolle until 2020

The following players contracts run out in the summer of 2021
Yates
Darikwa
Soudani
Pantilimon
Clough
Hefele

The following players contracts run out in the summer of 2022
Worrall
Grabben
Figeureda

The following players contracts run out in the summer of 2023
Lolley
Appiah


That is 10 gone this season and potentially 14 the following season

The actual situation is not as bad as the one perceived

The problem is though all those players that look like they will not be a part of the team next year are entering the last year of a very well paid contract. On that basis, they will be very unlikely to want to move on as they will not get as good a deal elsewhere, clog up the squad, and limit the numbers we can bring in or spend on wages to bring the required level of quality.

I believe the squad is classed of 44 players and we are only losing 9 of them 7 of which are loans and would have gone anyways. We really need 2020 to come sooner rather than later and hope we aren't stupid enough to top up peoples contracts on the basis we need to have backup players.
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I never get too concerned about contracts running to an end.

If the average length of contract is 4 years then pretty much every year a quarter of the squad's contract is up for renewal.
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(01-05-2019, 09:45 AM)Jean_claude_killy Wrote: By my calculations the really big clear out will come next season.

Out of this seasons playing staff the following will have their loans terminated at the end of the Month:
Colback
Wague
Goncalves
Janko
Byram
Pele
Bonatini

The following players contracts run out at the end of the month:
Ward
Henderson
Walker  (is that correct?)

The following players contracts run out in the summer of 2020
Geddy
Benalouane
Ansfarid
Yacob
Robinson
Milosivic
Tachsidis
Vellios
Cummings
Bridcutt
Watson
Murphy
Aryibi
Grant
Lam - on loan to Zwolle until 2020

The following players contracts run out in the summer of 2021
Yates
Darikwa
Soudani
Pantilimon
Clough
Hefele

The following players contracts run out in the summer of 2022
Worrall
Grabben
Figeureda

The following players contracts run out in the summer of 2023
Lolley
Appiah


That is 10 gone this season and potentially 14 the following season

The actual situation is not as bad as the one perceived

Tyler Walker is under contract until next summer
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From our seven loans Colback, Wague, Goncalves, Janko, Byram, Pele and Bonatini I would happy to have four of them back again. Colback, Byram, Pele and Wague but Colback is the only one I would try to sign permanently with the other 3 coming back on loan again. MON appears to rate the 4 of them.
COYR!
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Wague is out of contract so would be a classed as a free signing. If we are planning to get rid of some centre backs then would be a good choice as we know can play in a back three and can score from set plays.
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Wague. Keep.

Colback. We'll see if he signs perm or loan. Byron, Pele and Wague could be loaned.

4 good players there.

SA.
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i think with a good preseason and more games Pele could be a very good player for us.
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(02-05-2019, 10:01 AM)the jock Wrote: i think with a good preseason and more games Pele could be a very good player for us.

I agree Jock, we shouldn't judge him on his first 3 or 4 games when he struggled, he obviously wasn't fit enough, wasn't used to the league and was in a new country etc. That is never easy at the begining.
Panic on the streets of London
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