Away Form

[wassy04]

Wassey what you fail to miss yet again is that the set up after the substitution was still wrong and changed the wrong personal. Check out the number of Forest fans making the same point on all the alternative forums and Evening Post, I think you are in the minority on this!

I'm not denying that the sub made things worse. I'm denying that we should be going more attacking! Ayew has offered nothing so far and Mangala was clearly a better option.

You're repeatedly advocating playing the exact tactics that caused us to collapse yesterday.

[Paplane]

Wassey what you fail to miss yet again is that the set up after the substitution was still wrong and changed the wrong personal. Check out the number of Forest fans making the same point on all the alternative forums and Evening Post, I think you are in the minority on this!

I'm not denying that the sub made things worse. I'm denying that we should be going more attacking! Ayew has offered nothing so far and Mangala was clearly a better option.

You're repeatedly advocating playing the exact tactics that caused us to collapse yesterday.

Wassy, I dont think its a case of playing more attacking or more defensively. Other teams play in a more open way and still manage to get the odd result whilst not conceding 4 goals every other away game like we do.

[JollyLolly]

Wassey don't think so matey. Read my posts all I am reiterating is my opinion which appears to be much in line as most Forest fans regards setting up and team players preferred by SC.

[wassy04]

Wassey don't think so matey.  Read my posts all I am reiterating is my opinion which appears to be much in line as most Forest fans regards setting up and team players preferred by SC.

Wassy*

[wassy04]

Wassey what you fail to miss yet again is that the set up after the substitution was still wrong and changed the wrong personal. Check out the number of Forest fans making the same point on all the alternative forums and Evening Post, I think you are in the minority on this!

I'm not denying that the sub made things worse. I'm denying that we should be going more attacking! Ayew has offered nothing so far and Mangala was clearly a better option.

You're repeatedly advocating playing the exact tactics that caused us to collapse yesterday.

Wassy, I dont think its a case of playing more attacking or more defensively. Other teams play in a more open way and still manage to get the odd result whilst not conceding 4 goals every other away game like we do.

No I agree with you, I actually think our tactics are fine. We've been pretty badly hampered by injuries which is the main issue since Yates went down. 

Designed a system that fit Taiwo etc perfectly then they all get injured. No team aside from Man City that loses their best players consistently to injury will not suffer. If we win on Sunday we'll have limited the damage then hopefully after the int break we gey everyone back.

[HebdenRed]

If you notice how we play then nobody overruns us and walks through us centrally.

All teams switch play quickly and look to overload our full back area as we play a narrow 3 in midfield that means that invariably RB and LB are always outnumbered 2 or 3 on 1 with little coverage.

I’ve been to every match this season and see it time and again.

I’m not sure 433 or a 4321 variant works. I would prefer 3 CB’s as it allows us to push wing backs up the pitch and pin back the opposition more. I know we went there and didn’t stick with it but with a 4 we keep getting overloaded at full back and that exposes us badly.

[Ciscokid]

No system will provide positive results if you fail to pass the ball fast enough and accurately. Yesterday we failed in this basic with the exception of Shelvey whose removal cost us a point. The game's more simple than a bunch of numbers.

[HebdenRed]

No system will provide positive results if you fail to pass the ball fast enough and accurately. Yesterday we failed in this basic with the exception of Shelvey whose removal cost us a point. The game's more simple than a bunch of numbers.

Agree with Shelvey’s substitution but he was being protected to make sure he is available for the next few games.

Completely disagree with the rest of your reply. 

Look at their goals again. And Man Utd’s tactics against us. And many others.

[wassy04]

If you notice how we play then nobody overruns us and walks through us centrally.

All teams switch play quickly and look to overload our full back area as we play a narrow 3 in midfield that means that invariably RB and LB are always outnumbered 2 or 3 on 1 with little coverage.

I’ve been to every match this season and see it time and again.

I’m not sure 433 or a 4321 variant works. I would prefer 3 CB’s as it allows us to push wing backs up the pitch and pin back the opposition more. I know we went there and didn’t stick with it but with a 4 we keep getting overloaded at full back and that exposes us badly.

There's a reason that few other sides in the league choose to play 3 CBs. You become predicable and struggle to get enough players forward whilst being overrun in the middle. I'm not saying it can't work just that the fact that all the other bottom half teams choose not to use it suggests its unlikely to work as well.

In any event we don't even have three CBs fit right now!

[Paplane]

With my amateur eye I havent got a clue what's not working but what I do know is if the home form dries up then we're bang in trouble because an away game now means 0 goals and 0 points.

[zicorice]

All the earlier points made on this thread still - unfortunately - stand.

A- It's really hard to pick up away points.
B- Our away form is shocking
C- Upto now point about same players doing well at home is still true.

My concern is that the frailty shown yesterday is potentially still going to be there for a few weeks, even at home.

Based on what we have seen this season we are in my opinion missing 5 of our strongest starting XI  possibly 6. Hendo, Aurier, Boly, Yates  Kouyate and Awoniyi all start gor Mr.  (Some would argue for Niakhate, but I don't think I have seen enough for him to oust Felipe/Boly as best 2 CBs this season.) "Next man up" have mostly done well covering  but I feel in certain positions we are now struggling a bit.

I hope this does not permeate into our home form, but it's a bit of a worry.

[wassy04]

All the earlier points made on this thread still - unfortunately - stand.

A- It's really hard to pick up away points.
B- Our away form is shocking
C- Upto now point about same players doing well at home is still true.

My concern is that the frailty shown yesterday is potentially still going to be there for a few weeks, even at home.

Based on what we have seen this season we are in my opinion missing 5 of our strongest starting XI  possibly 6. Hendo, Aurier, Boly, Yates  Kouyate and Awoniyi all start gor Mr.  (Some would argue for Niakhate, but I don't think I have seen enough for him to oust Felipe/Boly as best 2 CBs this season.) "Next man up" have mostly done well covering  but I feel in certain positions we are now struggling a bit.

I hope this does not permeate into our home form, but it's a bit of a worry.

Next weekend is either going to be full on panic mode or it's all gonna be OK mode! Tense